paul.spiritualquest
Patron with Honors
Hello!
I´m a newbie here, so take it easy on me.
One of the reasons I joined, are the emoticons. I love them. Well done Emma on chosing those.
I´ve been 17 years on board, and only since the last 3 months, reading and researching a lot. Needless to say, it has been VERY relieving to step across this board, and read lots of opinions and experiences of others. The outpoints I was observing all over these years, started to fall into place, and to make sense...
Still, I believe, it is like with a toxic love relationship. One can leave it, and be extremely critical of the "ex", say it is all because she was a * and blame it all on her.
I believe the Scn. tech is full of workable pieces, attached to big lies to it, that entrap you big time into the best mental cage I´ve ever seen. It is such a well built cage, that you are not even aware you are encaged into that mental structure, until you are out, both mentally and emotionally out of it.
For me the worst, was the Admin training. It never worked out properly when I run my own companies, and I was harassing and wronly controlling my personnel due to the false paradigm I was running on.
But on the other hand, I decided to credit it full truth, and I decided to act like an OSA investigator in my own companies. Needless to say, I don´t feel proud about it. It has been hard on me at the beginning to see the countless years I spent in a wrong spiritual path, when for me, spiritual enlighment was the biggest reason to enter it firsthand.
So now, I can say, I´m happy I have thrown away all the admin crap. I don´t believe a word of all the Scientology mind-control paradigm regarding running a group. And when it comes to admin scales, conditions, and some of that possible useful stuff, I take hand of more human paradigms such as Kiyosaki, or Stephen Covey on running a true group. (I will post about this in another post).
On the other hand, some processes, which I have done out of the church, have been of major help to me. I´ve co-audited the Havingness Scale over skype, and it has helped me majorly with the area of Havingness. I´m still a firm believer of past lives. I still believe in the fact that we are spirits, and what I saw of my previous lifes, has only supported and relieved my actual existence.
I don´t believe know at the bridge layed out as it is, or at the big implant lie, that Scientology is the only way out. I find it a hugely insidious trap, that was layed out in 1965 with KSW, the only purpose being, to control people with FEAR (more on Scn. control mechanisms) on another post.
So it´s kind of conflictive inside of me. I cannot say that the fault is all up to her, after breaking up. But I cannot say either, it was a pure romance. It was a toxic relationship, that´s for sure.
I would like to preserve what is worth, even if it doesn´t even amount to 15%. LRH said, you only need to be 51% right. At this point, I thought it over the past week, and put on a balance, the good and the bad. The whole control mechanisms, the money sucking, the aristocracy (government by title, "i´m OT VIII and you are nothing" and timocracy (government of the ones with the money, "I´m a patron meritorious, when do you go up to your next donation level") of the group, and I can say with certainty, it is the farthest away of what I consider now a SPIRITUAL GROUP. It has such a double morality, that this by far darkens the good side, which consists mainly about many good people that got atracted into it, and whose goodness is what makes the group really run. So I can say that he was more than 51% wrong with the way he structured things, as the evilness in the group comes from root from LRH.
So in my view, I would like to preserve the processing, the auditor´s code, truly run (I´m not saying the C/Sing), some good data on processing.
About the tone scale, I´m less and less certain how truly certain and valuable it is to put people in boxes. I would also like to preserve the Data Series, you can do a lot with them, and use them for even analyzing the subject.
The other extreme of the pendulum, people that say it was all a con, or all was crap, is the extreme of saying your ex was a * without analyzing with judgment, what got you first involved in it, and why were you so long attracted to it. It cannot be it was just a con, and all was bad and false. Then think about your reality judgement, and how couldn´t you discover it earlier and leave right away?
Well, this is my first post, and free ideas.
Please tell me, specially those that are longer out, what would you preserve and why? And what would you not preserve and why not? I´m quite interested about your explained opinions.
Paul
I´m a newbie here, so take it easy on me.
One of the reasons I joined, are the emoticons. I love them. Well done Emma on chosing those.
I´ve been 17 years on board, and only since the last 3 months, reading and researching a lot. Needless to say, it has been VERY relieving to step across this board, and read lots of opinions and experiences of others. The outpoints I was observing all over these years, started to fall into place, and to make sense...
Still, I believe, it is like with a toxic love relationship. One can leave it, and be extremely critical of the "ex", say it is all because she was a * and blame it all on her.
I believe the Scn. tech is full of workable pieces, attached to big lies to it, that entrap you big time into the best mental cage I´ve ever seen. It is such a well built cage, that you are not even aware you are encaged into that mental structure, until you are out, both mentally and emotionally out of it.
For me the worst, was the Admin training. It never worked out properly when I run my own companies, and I was harassing and wronly controlling my personnel due to the false paradigm I was running on.
But on the other hand, I decided to credit it full truth, and I decided to act like an OSA investigator in my own companies. Needless to say, I don´t feel proud about it. It has been hard on me at the beginning to see the countless years I spent in a wrong spiritual path, when for me, spiritual enlighment was the biggest reason to enter it firsthand.
So now, I can say, I´m happy I have thrown away all the admin crap. I don´t believe a word of all the Scientology mind-control paradigm regarding running a group. And when it comes to admin scales, conditions, and some of that possible useful stuff, I take hand of more human paradigms such as Kiyosaki, or Stephen Covey on running a true group. (I will post about this in another post).
On the other hand, some processes, which I have done out of the church, have been of major help to me. I´ve co-audited the Havingness Scale over skype, and it has helped me majorly with the area of Havingness. I´m still a firm believer of past lives. I still believe in the fact that we are spirits, and what I saw of my previous lifes, has only supported and relieved my actual existence.
I don´t believe know at the bridge layed out as it is, or at the big implant lie, that Scientology is the only way out. I find it a hugely insidious trap, that was layed out in 1965 with KSW, the only purpose being, to control people with FEAR (more on Scn. control mechanisms) on another post.
So it´s kind of conflictive inside of me. I cannot say that the fault is all up to her, after breaking up. But I cannot say either, it was a pure romance. It was a toxic relationship, that´s for sure.
I would like to preserve what is worth, even if it doesn´t even amount to 15%. LRH said, you only need to be 51% right. At this point, I thought it over the past week, and put on a balance, the good and the bad. The whole control mechanisms, the money sucking, the aristocracy (government by title, "i´m OT VIII and you are nothing" and timocracy (government of the ones with the money, "I´m a patron meritorious, when do you go up to your next donation level") of the group, and I can say with certainty, it is the farthest away of what I consider now a SPIRITUAL GROUP. It has such a double morality, that this by far darkens the good side, which consists mainly about many good people that got atracted into it, and whose goodness is what makes the group really run. So I can say that he was more than 51% wrong with the way he structured things, as the evilness in the group comes from root from LRH.
So in my view, I would like to preserve the processing, the auditor´s code, truly run (I´m not saying the C/Sing), some good data on processing.
About the tone scale, I´m less and less certain how truly certain and valuable it is to put people in boxes. I would also like to preserve the Data Series, you can do a lot with them, and use them for even analyzing the subject.
The other extreme of the pendulum, people that say it was all a con, or all was crap, is the extreme of saying your ex was a * without analyzing with judgment, what got you first involved in it, and why were you so long attracted to it. It cannot be it was just a con, and all was bad and false. Then think about your reality judgement, and how couldn´t you discover it earlier and leave right away?
Well, this is my first post, and free ideas.
Please tell me, specially those that are longer out, what would you preserve and why? And what would you not preserve and why not? I´m quite interested about your explained opinions.
Paul