What did TR0 do?

[Operating DB]

What did TR0 Do?

Nothing.

Waste of time.

End of story.

 

[Miss Pert]

I can't say that TR0 numbed me to the responses or comments thrown at me, it just taught me how to ignore them and not smack someone about the head.

I was doing an interview on a guy who was co-auditing on the objectives and he and his twin hadn't been in session for nearly 2 weeks because the twin's mother had died and the guy was, understandably, having trouble keeping it together. The guy I'm interviewing tells me how he doesn't want his twin to be his twin anymore and that he should just get over his mother's death because she wasn't really dead anyway, just no longer in the same body, and it was stopping the guy being interviewed from getting in session.

Was I numb to that? Absolutely not! Did I react to it, no I was a good little auditor/interviewer, I kept my "TR0 in" and didn't let my expression change and acked him appropriately, all the while thinking "you heartless, fucking arsehole, you have no idea how much I want to reach across the table right now and smack you in the mouth." To this day I wish I'd done it.

No TR0 doesn't numb the feelings, it just teaches you how to suppress them.

 

[GoNuclear]

I noticed in some recent discussions that there is an odd kind of imperturbability displayed by a couple of Scientologist type posters. It's as though they almost pride themselves in their ability to continue exactly what they were saying or trying to get across NO MATTER WHAT comes their way.

This got me to thinking about the TR 0 and bullbaiting practice in Scientology.

Is it actually meant to blunt peoples perception of the irritation they are causing, so they will carry on the Hubbard's agenda no matter what resistance they are running into?

Was the auditing use for it a Ruse to instil the numbness without the Trainees beginning to suspect the real purpose of the drills?

I'm not saying this is necessarily the case but thought it might make for an interesting discussion or just maybe an interesting bone to gnaw on.

Because TRs are definitely used to further the abuse. Is it an ability gained or an inability installed?

I saw it as a useful exercise to get someone out of being the effect when it comes to disallowing others to push your buttons. It works great with children of a certain age ... perhaps not too young, as in preschool, but it can work wonders with kids in the second, third, fourth grade, etc. You know the drill ... the kid gets into fights over some name calling, and the parent offers the sage advice "just ignore him." If you remember being that age, you know that at the time the "just ignore" advice was IMPOSSIBLE to follow because you HAD to react.

My son is graduating college this year. When he was younger, I always tried to get him to work with me. I remembered and remembered well my own viewpoint at his age and tried to reason with him, which was generally NOT done for me when I was growing up. That approach worked not always, but a little more than half the time I would say. If you can get a child in the mood to actually work with you, the TR0-BB can be a useful tool to make light of all the name calling and to get him to the point where he doesn't have to react, as opposed to the "impossible" advice of 'just ignore him."

Pete

 

[Dulloldfart]

I used to enjoy OT-TR0. I learned to sleep sitting up.
The tech staff was required to do TR's at the beginning
of the day and considering the late hours we had to keep,
doing OT-TR0 gave me an extra hour of sleep.

Thanks Ron!

That post might sound like a joke, but I agree. Many days I was thankful for the 30 minutes "TRs" we had to do every morning. Most days we chose OT TR-0 for that very reason.

Paul

 

[Oneflewover]

I can't say that TR0 numbed me to the responses or comments thrown at me, it just taught me how to ignore them and not smack someone about the head.

I was doing an interview on a guy who was co-auditing on the objectives and he and his twin hadn't been in session for nearly 2 weeks because the twin's mother had died and the guy was, understandably, having trouble keeping it together. The guy I'm interviewing tells me how he doesn't want his twin to be his twin anymore and that he should just get over his mother's death because she wasn't really dead anyway, just no longer in the same body, and it was stopping the guy being interviewed from getting in session.

Was I numb to that? Absolutely not! Did I react to it, no I was a good little auditor/interviewer, I kept my "TR0 in" and didn't let my expression change and acked him appropriately, all the while thinking "you heartless, fucking arsehole, you have no idea how much I want to reach across the table right now and smack you in the mouth." To this day I wish I'd done it.

No TR0 doesn't numb the feelings, it just teaches you how to suppress them.

Yes. I can see how it teaches you to suppress them. I can also see how some people doing some types of TRs seem numb. Registrars seem devoid of compassionate emotive qualities. It's like they've had their humanity "drilled" right out of them.

TR 0 seems to be the one that conditions you to carry on doing what you've been told to do, no matter what comes your way in the form of opposition. At least one use of this is the tendency to ignore peoples pain and upset and march forward undeterred.

 

[Gadfly]

Yes. I can see how it teaches you to suppress them. I can also see how some people doing some types of TRs seem numb. Registrars seem devoid of compassionate emotive qualities. It's like they've had their humanity "drilled" right out of them.

TR 0 seems to be the one that conditions you to carry on doing what you've been told to do, no matter what comes your way in the form of opposition. At least one use of this is the tendency to ignore peoples pain and upset and march forward undeterred.

I would add that one CAN "be there comfortably", with no "reactions", not "flinching", and still very easily exhibit compassion, understanding and care for others.

Many people DO suffer from tendencies to "react", and I see little of that as "useful".

Confronting doesn't mean being "inhumane" or "cold like an icecube". It often DOES in a Scientology context where the attention is all on "getting products", and where Hubturd himself instructs along the lines of "competence" at the EXPENSE of "being nice". From Ron, "we are not trying to make good boys and girls, we are trying to make you effective".

While in the Sea Org I sure did HATE having to stand there and listen to some executive or little CMO bitch practice their Tone Scale drills on me. But, it NEVER "numbed me". On the inside, I was paying very close attention to the idiocy, I knew what I didn't like and why, and I planned and executed my LEAVING. But, TRs taught ME how to BE THERE and CONFRONT and SEE WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME - and as far as the Sea Org went, that meant observing and easily acknowledging to myself how idiotic these people were.

For example, it was in my interest to NOT just "blow". I had a wife in the SO. I had kids in the SO. I had painted myself into a corner where I could not just say, "fuck you" and blow, though on certain levels I would have liked to do that, and it WOULD have been "easier". But, I didn't want to break my connections with my friends and family. I also still wanted what I incorrectly imagined Scientology had to offer. So, I USED my TRs and PR, did the leaving staff routing form, underwnet TONS of invalidation and make-wrong, had to tolerate great amounts of "stupid handlings", but I "persisted" (another thing I "learned form Hubbard").

I suppose if one is insecure, or weak, or unsure of self, then maybe TRs would act to make you MORE of a robot. But, they NEVER had that effect on me. Also, though, I interpreted TRs from a context of eastern mysticism and meditation, as I had become familair with those practices BEFORE Scientology. I was sort of taking the good, and leaving out the bad.

Granted, if ALL a person knew were Hubbard's TR0, and ONLY within the context of Hubbard's paradigm, then it can be difficult to find the REAL value in his altered versions of what are fundamentally "eastern meditation practices". And, he ADDED unnecessary and invalid significance to these ideas when he put the stress on "confront".

I really loved and had a great time doing TR Bullbait. I loved figuring out how to make people crack up. I was also good at helping them to learn to "flatten the button". Also, for those who "suppressed feelings and reactions", you were NOT doing the drill correctly. What I did was let all significiance vanish about any button. I didn't push it away, cover it up, or hide it under the rug, I simply learned how to LOOK ELSEWHERE at will. I learned to "empty my mind" of significance. Really, if you lose attachment with the significance of any button, it can't "react" in you.

Many people are machines. Many people are like little walking-talking stimulus-response mechanisms, where if you push this button, then that happens. Gaining control and handling that tendency in oneself is a GOOD THING.

Of course, within an oppressive over-controlling environment such as organized Scientology, those ideas get misused. And, no doubt Hubbard intended on using things like TRs to manipulate people.

I mentioned this recently on THIS thread. There is a practical need in spiritual practices to quiet the mind, to relax internally, and to empty the mind. TR 0 and TR Bullbait get a person to do that. Auditing also gets a person to do that. But, that is only a prerequisite on a path of spiritual development. It is a step along the way.

What matters then, much more importantly, is what you now replace into the emptiness. In Scientology one gets the whole stupid absurd Scientology paradigm of SPs, salvaging sectors, attacks, surviving, expanding organizations, fighting the bad guys, disconnection, endess PR, lies, and lies and more lies. That nonsense is what "fills the vacuum". And, in pure KSW insane all-or-nothing style, that is the ONLY thing that is allowed to fill the vacuum.

For example, in eastern practices one learns to quiet the mind for a few reasons. First, to be able to "commune" with your own awareness with no other objects of perception. Second, to create a calm place and "background" to practice various visualizations (there are MANY). One cannot do the various exercises of Kundalini Yoga if you haven't FIRST mastered quieting the mind with similar drills like OT TR0 and TR0. "Inner noise" is a major distraction to almost ANY "mental technique", so something like TR0 is needed as a basic kindergarten routine.

In Scientology Hubbard loads the notion of quieting the mind with "confront". It adds these nutty ideas of being a "big thetan" who can "confront anything", always with the aim to manipulate, control and change something "out there". The eastern view is much more of a "quiet down and let it be".

TRs COULD have a good and decent use, just not in the context of Hubbard's total subject of Scientology. As with many isolated ideas from Scientology, they need to be cut out of the larger context of the whole subject, surgically-removed from Hubbard's "complete system", to find any real value or decent use.

The same TRs that enable some dumbass INT executive to scream and rip some junior's head off, also enable a person to calmly handle the people at a violent car accident where four people are laying in pieces on the side of the road.

The context of organized Scientology render almost ANY of Hubbard's ideas as quite TOXIC. But, taken completely out of that context, they can have value. But then they are NOT "Scientology". They become squirreled versions and "other practices", which is always BETTER.

 

[RolandRB]

I noticed in some recent discussions that there is an odd kind of imperturbability displayed by a couple of Scientologist type posters. It's as though they almost pride themselves in their ability to continue exactly what they were saying or trying to get across NO MATTER WHAT comes their way.

This got me to thinking about the TR 0 and bullbaiting practice in Scientology.

Is it actually meant to blunt peoples perception of the irritation they are causing, so they will carry on the Hubbard's agenda no matter what resistance they are running into?

Was the auditing use for it a Ruse to instil the numbness without the Trainees beginning to suspect the real purpose of the drills?

I'm not saying this is necessarily the case but thought it might make for an interesting discussion or just maybe an interesting bone to gnaw on.

Because TRs are definitely used to further the abuse. Is it an ability gained or an inability installed?

You should persevere with TR0. Staring at somebody with unblinking eyes is very good practice for communication.