What Does "Workable" Mean?

bbopper

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So what does it mean to say that a procedure is workable or it isn't workable? Or to promote that something is “100% workable on all cases!”
Paul

Only God Knows, lol. (just kidding).

It seems to me your (beautiful) question presupposes at least 2 inherent issues that are not immediately evident, nor ultimately disclosed. #1. That workability (and or it's opposite) exists absent Consciousness Itself, and # 2. See #1.

Mr. Hubbard, I believe, at some level of his being, at some point in time, shared your enthusiasm for 'fixing' human beings. Which inclination is an inspiration. Though fatefully flawed via Karma I believe (as a possibility) in time.

If, as Mr. Hubbard asserts, each individual is the sum total of all that every was, is, or will be, i.e., the formless, timeless, infinite, 'Static', appearing first in the form of Theta, and last/now in the form of MEST, no one needs Mr. Hubbards help, to become what that One, already is, was, and ever will be. Millions of dollars be damned. Lol.

As a practical matter I would say just as water seeks its own level, the workability of your offering to the world will be equal to the workability of your offering to yourself.

Which Hubbard proved to himself.

Which we all, in time must do.

And Will.
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
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Scientology processes aren’t very fault-tolerant. You can cross the road safely despite being hungry and upset, but you can’t have a good session addressing your fear of mice when you’re hungry and have your attention riveted on an argument you just had with your spouse.

<snip>

Yeah, that's about running rud's before running what is C/Sed for a session.

Although this is buried in your post, is this one item that you are wondering about? Just curious.
 

freethinker

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Re: : What Does "Workable" Mean?

Now you see, the problem we have here is that LRH forgot to or misplaced his update for KSWI.

After all, any astute Scientologist who is reading his materials and clearing his words and furiously clay demoing with bits of MEST realizes that Hub wrote that he had completed the tech.

This minor oversight of not going back and changing the word "workable" to "unimpeachable" is just plain natter on the part of bitter apostates who never completed their courses.

After all, KSWI was at the BEGINNING of every course, not at the end where you would have realized the tech was complete and infallible.

All this natter about "workable" is just that, natter.

Just goes to show you never stuck it out and completed the course which would have shown you that Ron completed the tech.

Ya see, "tech" is the word you should be focusing on and "complete".

No Namby Pamby panty waist dilettante who couldn't complete a course would ever understand that it isn't "workable" they should be focusing on but their next level.

Then you will realize that the tech is complete and is "workable" enough to pay for, sign up, and DO your next level where workable transforms to certainty.

But NO, you want to be a nattery apostate who never amounts to anything more than mere wog who never finishes anything he starts.

Where was I....

Oh yeah, you ungrateful apostatory bitch, where the ......



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Let's clear the word "workable", shall we?

Alas! From the Un-Bridged edition of "The Diabolically Dinky DB Dictionary":


def.

workable - adj:
1. A rationality-stopping word which allows Scientologists to feel good enough about the expensive level they just completed--that they are willing to pay for an even more expensive rundown that fixes the reason the previous one didn't work.
2. A dynamically descriptive word exhaustively used by OTs to convince & sell people on Scientology--instead of just demonstrating that it is workable by simply showing one of their workable OT powers.​
 

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Scientology is "workable" if you exactly follow standard tech.

That's like saying that a light switch you bought will "work" if you exactly follow the standard tech of how to use it.


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Jeez that seems simple enough. Well, I think I can already figure out hot to turn the light on without reading the owner's manual. Well, I better do this right, so let me at least read the instructions that came with it. It should be pretty easy to duplicate because it's manufactured by Golden Era Home Products, a Scientology company, so they'll have all the definitions and lots of graphics to balance the mass.



HOLY SHIT! WTF IS THIS???


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Yeah, okay, I guess the tech of turning on a light switch is not quite as simple as I had thought! Well at least when I get through studying and clay demoing Ron's 3,475 page Light Switch Tech Volume, I'll be total cause in the area...

Actually, you know, I'm starting to feel really blown out that I am studying the "full hat" of workable tech for light switches--instead of some little Home Depot squirrel diagram!


9 MONTHS LATER:

* The guy completes his training and gets a HLSS certificate (Hubbard Light Switch Specialist)

* He standardly installs the light switch for the light that has been out for at least 9 months.

* He flips the switch to the "ON" position. The lightbulb does not go on.

* He gets a correction cycle (at his own expense) and finds the why. The bulb is burnt out.

* He buys a new bulb and screws it in. The lightbulb still does not turn on.

12 MONTHS LATER:

* Back for another paid correction cycle. He finds the why. There is no electricity because it was turned off a year earlier due to delinquent, unpaid bills.

* He organizes fundraisers and gets the $ 43,680 needed to paid the fines, penalties and delinquent amounts.

16 MONTHS LATER:

* Now with the electricity turned back on, he flips the switch again. The lightbulb still does not turn on.

* Because he is not getting his product, his why is found--that he falsely attested to being able to apply the study tech. He is reprogrammed to re-do the new Student Hat course (after he does the pre-requisites)

20 MONTHS LATER:

* He completes the Purif and then the Student Hat.

* He re-studies the 3,475 page Light Switch Tech Volume.

* He flips the switch but the bulb still doesn't go on.

* Advanced why finding discovers that the electrical wiring in the building was removed two years earlier so that it could be remodeled and transformed into an Ideal Org.

23 MONTHS LATER:

* Because of crashed stats (no production) he is Com Ev'd, busted, reassigned and re-posted in Division VI, doing into lectures about the "workable" tech.
 
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Gib

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Scientology is "workable" if you exactly follow standard tech.

That's like saying that a light switch you bought will "work" if you exactly follow the standard tech of how to use it.


light-switch-thumb.jpg




Jeez that seems simple enough. Well, I think I can already figure out hot to turn the light on without reading the owner's manual. Well, I better do this right, so let me at least read the instructions that came with it. It should be pretty easy to duplicate because it's manufactured by Golden Era Home Products, a Scientology company, so they'll have all the definitions and lots of graphics to balance the mass.



HOLY SHIT! WTF IS THIS???


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Yeah, okay, I guess the tech of turning on a light switch is not quite as simple as I had thought! Well at least when I get through studying and clay demoing the 3,475 page Light Switch Tech Volume, I'll be total cause in the area...
Actually, you know, I'm feeling really blown out that I am studying the workable tech for light switches instead of some little Home Depot squirrel diagram!


9 MONTHS LATER:

* The guy completes his training and gets a HLSS certificate (Hubbard Light Switch Specialist)

* He standardly installs the light switch for the light that has been out for 9 months.

* He flips the switch to the "ON" position. The lightbulb does not go on.

* He gets a correction cycle (at his own expense) and finds the why. The bulb is burnt out.

* He buys a new bulb and screws it in. The lightbulb still does not turn on.

12 MONTHS LATER:

* Back for another paid correction cycle. He finds the why. There is no electricity because it was turned off a year earlier due to delinquent, unpaid bills.

* He organizes fundraisers and gets the $ 43,680 needed to paid the fines, penalties and delinquent amounts.

16 MONTHS LATER:

* Now with the electricity turned back on, he flips the switch again. The lightbulb still does not turn on.

* Because he is not getting his product, his why is found--that he falsely attested to being able to apply the study tech. He is reprogrammed to re-do the new Student Hat course (after he does the pre-requisites)

20 MONTHS LATER:

* He completes the Purif and then the Student Hat.

* He re-studies the 3,475 page Light Switch Tech Volume.

* He flips the switch but the bulb still doesn't go on.

* Advanced why finding discovers that the electrical wiring in the building was removed two years earlier so that it could be remodeled and transformed into an Ideal Org.

23 MONTHS LATER:

* Because of crashed stats (no production) he is Com Ev'd, busted, reassigned and re-posted in Division VI, doing into lectures about the "workable" tech.

Now you just reminded me of when I read dianetics, I could go clear in something like a few hundred hours, but that requires another person to audit me, so I guess it ain't self help, but co help. LOL

It sounded so simple and well, thoroughly scientific.
 

mockingbird

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Hmm , what might I think about this ?:coolwink:

First workable is straight out of propaganda by redefinition of terms a la Orwell and the appendix to 1984 . It takes a term and makes it mean its exact opposite to turn it into a thought stopping cliche a la the eight criteria of thought reform ( by Lifton ) . It then functions as new speak or Scientologese to stop thought and make the concept it originally embodied be obfuscated in the victim's mind . The term went from meaning reliably reproducible to an acceptable degree to something else but the same thing at the same time . For airplanes flying , cars driving , food nourishing without harming , relationships being beneficial without being abusive the standard is very , very high - probably over 99% or things are not acceptable .

Scientology does not work , never has never will . No miracles , no clears , no OTs , no real benefit EVER . "Workability"is meant to be part of setting a series of triggers that include info from KSW that always blames failures on the auditor or the Sup or PC or ... anything or anybody BUT Hubbard and his vaunted technology . It is part of the most frequent series of implants that permeates ALL of Dianetics and Scientology - as Gib shows us from Hubbard's study of classic rhetoric under Dean Wilbur .

The Ethos or authority group as Hubbard virtually constantly by direct statement or implication asserted claims designed to establish and bolster his authority and keep always elevating his altitude to the point where his slaves are in absolute awe of him and his doctrine and cannot even doubt or question him or it . He literally wanted to be revered as a god and his doctrine blindly accepted as sacred revelations beyond mortal ken .

He EVERY time he said aberrated was implying he was saner and wiser , and also every time he said clear , OT , auditing , PC , Reactive Mind , and all the "professions" he claimed to make . They are all meant to assert his authority as is the tremendous language he created . It is meant to imply his genius . Also his extensive use of obscure terms , unusual turns of phrases and strange combinations of tenses . These are meant to confuse and have the confusion resolved with ASSUMING he has a secret esoteric mystical magical higher knowledge that is just out of reach . All his whole track stories too , as they imply greater understanding of his own mind and how minds work and how to make methods to handle them . All to imply unproven claims via lies and misdirection off the lack of verifiability or reproducibility of his fraud . By argumentum verbosity -the logical fallacy that info is true or authoritative because there is a lot of it - he sought to overwhelm and confuse then have his victim assume he had a valid subject and was the foremost expert in it . All bullshit . But it is easier to accept his authority than study thirty five million words of doctrine !

Workability also was meant to sound scientific and use Logos or sounding logical and scientific to help sell his "technology" lie . Also pure Logos and Ethos intertwined . Workability means a Scientologist shifts the idea around so much and submits so much that any interpretation that results in submitting to Hubbard's will and infallibility is "right" . Even if it contradicts logic , itself , other doctrine or scientific standards , direct observation or common sense .

What "works" in Scientology is frankly denial , trance logic , slavish submission , ever increasing delusion and dissociation , age regression and ever decreasing selective critical and independent thinking that shuts off for looking at Hubbard's authority or the logic of his "technology". All the auditing and indoctrination and admin and everything else is built on the same abusive tricks narcissists and sociopaths and psychopaths have been using for thousands of years . They confuse then show alleviating the confusion requires trusting their judgment progressively more and they misdirect attention off the confusions they create with lies and then become more totalistic and controlling of their victim/slave"s thoughts , emotions and behavior . It is instinctive behavior for them and requires mastering covert influence and spinning lies constantly to keep victim's off guard and incapable of sorting things out .

Hubbard redefines hypnotic phenomena like vivid images and sensory impressions as memories and "mental image pictures" . He defines age regression as "being out of present time " but induces it by many means long known to hypnotists . He defines many trance phenomena with false and contradictory terms so as to control and confuse his victims in an ever increasing decline into confusion , delusion and submission . He defines dissociation as "extreriorization" which makes the victim more confused and threatens the victim's sanity as dissociation occurs when one is overwhelmed mentally and cannot cope and that is in fact trauma . He also defines hypnotic and other mental phenomena such as cognitive dissonance as "barriers to study phenomena" when in fact they show very different things in truth .

Workable means the same thing every concept in Scientology ultimately gets twisted into - get confused and experience mental discomfort( cognitive dissonance ) via complexity and contradiction and multiple rhetorical methods and resolve this by submitting to Hubbard and his doctrine in any way possible to misdirect attention off and thereby temporarily hide the dissonance and accompanying discomfort .


References :
"’Psychiatry’ and ‘psychiatrist’ are easily redefined to mean ‘an anti-social enemy of the people‘. This takes the kill crazy psychiatrist off the preferred list of professions...The redefinition of words is done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended...Scientologists are redefining ‘doctor‘, ‘Psychiatry’ and ‘psychology’ to mean ‘undesirable antisocial elements‘...The way to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as possible. Thus it is necessary to redefine medicine, psychiatry and psychology downward and define Dianetics and Scientology upwards. This, so far as words are concerned, is the public opinion battle for belief in your definitions, and not those of the opposition. A consistent, repeated effort is the key to any success with this technique of propaganda."
- Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 5 October 1971, PR Series 12, "Propaganda by Redefinition of Words"


Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.
From
Dr. Robert J. Lifton's Eight Criteria for Thought Reform

To control thought According to Orwell, "the purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of IngSoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible. Its vocabulary was so constructed as to give exact and often very subtle expression to every meaning that a Party member could properly wish to express, while excluding all other meaning and also the possibility of arriving at them by indirect methods. This was done partly by the invention of new words, but chiefly by eliminating undesirable words and stripping such words as remained of unorthodox meanings, and so far as possible of all secondary meaning whatever." The idea that language influences worldview is linguistic relativity.


For example, the word "free" still existed in Newspeak but could only be used in terms of something not being possessed, as in "the dog is free from lice," or "this field is free from weeds." It could not be used in terms of being able to do as one pleases, as in "free choice" or "free will" since these concepts no longer existed. Newspeak was designed not to extend but to diminish the range of thought, and this purpose was indirectly assisted by cutting the choice of words down to a minimum. Any redundancies in the English language were removed.


As Orwell further states (through the character of Syme, who is discussing his work on the latest edition of the Newspeak dictionary), "By 2050—earlier, probably—all real knowledge of Oldspeak will have disappeared. The whole literature of the past will have been destroyed. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Byron—they'll exist only in Newspeak versions, not merely changed into something different, but actually contradictory of what they used to be. Even the literature of the Party will change. Even the slogans will change. How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished? The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking—not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness."
From Wikipedia article on Newspeak .

Ethos, pathos and logos each have a different meaning:


  • Ethos is an appeal to ethics, and it is a means of convincing someone of the character or credibility of the persuader.
  • Pathos is an appeal to emotion, and is a way of convincing an audience of an argument by creating an emotional response.
  • Logos is an appeal to logic, and is a way of persuading an audience by reason.
From Yourdictionary

[Logical Fallacy : Argumentum Verbosium - Proof by Intimidation
Argumentum verbosium is also known as Proof by Intimidation, or Proof by Verbosity. It refers to an argument that is so complex, so long-winded and so poorly presented by the arguer that you are obliged to accept it, simply to avoid being forced to sift through its minute details.

This fallacy is epitomized by this lovely statement, "If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, then baffle them with your bullshit."
From this site : http://heavingdeadcats.blogspot.com/2009/02/argumentum-verbosium-is-also-known-as.html

And regarding hypnotism in Scientology we have :http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/01/basic-introduction-to-hypnosis-in.html and http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-secret-of-scientology-part-1.html

And regarding the overall method in Scientology we have : http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/02/mockingbirds-nest-why-hubbard-never.html

And how the methods Hubbard used are the methods in an abusive relationship used by a narcissist or sociopath or psychopath :http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/02/mockingbirds-nest-recognizing-and.html

I hope this works for you .
 

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Now you just reminded me of when I read dianetics, I could go clear in something like a few hundred hours, but that requires another person to audit me, so I guess it ain't self help, but co help. LOL

It sounded so simple and well, thoroughly scientific.


LOLOL!

SCIENTOLOGY CONSUMER ALERT!

When an avaricious megalomaniac like Hubbard assures you that it's "SELF HELP", you should really take the author literally at his word. Because he is planning to do exactly that, help himself (to everything you've got!).
 

eldritch cuckoo

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100% workable tech. :coolwink:
(One doesn't need, though, to go down the dangerous, reckless path Hoaxie takes, with trying especially caffeine rich variants... I fear for him... :nervous: )

:lol:
 

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HelluvaHoax!

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Now you just reminded me of when I read dianetics, I could go clear in something like a few hundred hours, but that requires another person to audit me, so I guess it ain't self help, but co help. LOL

It sounded so simple and well, thoroughly scientific.


HolyHell! The original DMSMH made a claim that was beyond outrageous (particularly the highlighted edits):

Excerpt from DMSMH:
Dianetics is actually a family of sciences embracing the various humanities and translating them into usefully precise definitions. The present volume deals with Individual Dianetics and is a handbook containing the necessary skills both for the handling of interpersonal relations and the treatment of the mind. With the techniques presented in this handbook the psychiatrist, psycho-analyst and intelligent layman can successfully and invariably treat all psycho-somatic ills and inorganic aberrations. More importantly, the skills offered in this handbook will produce the dianetic clear, an optimum individual with intelligence considerably greater than the current normal, or the dianetic release, an individual who has been freed from his major anxieties or illnesses. The release can be done in less than twenty hours of work and is a state superior to any produced by several years of psychoanalysis, since the release will not release.

". . . less than twenty hours"


It's more than remarkable that in the 1950's the tech was so "workable" that anyone could go clear in under 20 hours!

With 65 years of further advances in the "workable" tech, by the year 2015 it takes
more than 20 hours of just reg cycles before a pc can even get up to the point of just starting Grade 0. Seriously.


 

HelluvaHoax!

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100% workable tech. :coolwink:
(One doesn't need, though, to go down the dangerous, reckless path Hoaxie takes, with trying especially caffeine rich variants... I fear for him... :nervous: )

:lol:


Hilarious. Today, didn't even have any of that special SuperBean tech to make me into a SuperBeing.

I do, however, plan a very special little event where I will reopen and grind some of the delightfully delicious "Death Wish Coffee" on Monday. Anyone is welcome to stop by for a cup.

BYOD.

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Bring your own defibrillator.
 

eldritch cuckoo

brainslugged reptilian
Hilarious. Today, didn't even have any of that special SuperBean tech to make me into a SuperBeing.

Sure, sure. How does that work for you, "denial"? :p :no: :waiting:

:biggrin:

Serious question though, is that special coffee maybe made from the "Cofffea robusta" variant? It is said that it doesn't taste as good as the coffee made from "Coffea arabica" beans, but it is known to have distinctly more caffeine, and because it is more robust typically it is grown by the poor people and used for their own consumption, although it is also used for blends. That's what I've read...
Okay, cool, Wikipedia says it also:

Wikipedia said:
The robusta plant has a greater crop yield than that of arabica, and contains more caffeine – 2.7% compared to arabica's 1.5%. As it is less susceptible to pests and disease, robusta needs much less herbicide and pesticide than arabica.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robusta_coffee
 

Leon-2

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This thread has been up for only ONE DAY and already the usual bunch have consigned any discussion on it to the garbage heap.




sigh
 

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This thread has been up for only ONE DAY and already the usual bunch have consigned any discussion on it to the garbage heap.

sigh


Scientological righteous indignation?

We understand. It happens when people are having fun and laughing and a downtone Scientologist comes in and begins trying to handle everybody.

Hey Leon, just because people on ESMB are attaining cognitions, VVGI's and F/Ns without you and your tech, that's no reason to get upset. Isn't that precisely the same thing that Scientology failed to do which is why all 97.5% of the people on ESMB came here?

Whoa! ESMB is, in fact, delivering what the COS failed to deliver, so therefore ESBM is actually the one that is keeping scientology working. LOL
 
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oneonewasaracecar

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Scientological righteous indignation?

We understand. It happens when people are having fun and laughing and a downtown Scientologist comes in and begins trying to handle everybody.

Hey Leon, just because people on ESMB are attaining cognitions, VVGI's and F/Ns without you and your tech, that's no reason to get upset. Isn't that precisely the same thing that Scientology failed to do which is why all 97.5% of the people on ESMB came here?

Whoa! ESMB is, in fact, delivering what the COS failed to deliver, so therefore ESBM is actually the one that is keeping scientology working. LOL

HH, are you our first clear?

:coolwink:
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Sure, sure. How does that work for you, "denial"? :p :no: :waiting:

:biggrin:

Serious question though, is that special coffee maybe made from the "Cofffea robusta" variant? It is said that it doesn't taste as good as the coffee made from "Coffea arabica" beans, but it is known to have distinctly more caffeine, and because it is more robust typically it is grown by the poor people and used for their own consumption, although it is also used for blends. That's what I've read...
Okay, cool, Wikipedia says it also:



Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding!!!

Yours was the correct answer sir!! YAYYYY!

From DeathWish Coffee's cool-ass website:

It is made from robusta coffee beans which are much higher in caffeine than arabica coffee beans. Arabica is the coffee generally used in most commercial coffees and coffee houses. Death Wish Coffee advertises that their coffee contains 200% more caffeine than a standard cup of coffee.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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HH, are you our first clear?

:coolwink:


No, our first Clear is actually Ned the nerdy OT.

He went Clear just recently at the beginning of a Dianetics session, while doing a can-squeeze test.

And yesterday he walked around at bus/train stations, looking at people. So now he's OT I and his certainty has soared so high, people are flying in from all over the world to ask him questions about everything in the universe!!


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Cat's Squirrel

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Scientological righteous indignation?

We understand. It happens when people are having fun and laughing and a downtown Scientologist comes in and begins trying to handle everybody.

Hey Leon, just because people on ESMB are attaining cognitions, VVGI's and F/Ns without you and your tech, that's no reason to get upset. Isn't that precisely the same thing that Scientology failed to do which is why all 97.5% of the people on ESMB came here?

Whoa! ESMB is, in fact, delivering what the COS failed to deliver, so therefore ESMB is actually the one that is keeping scientology working. LOL

and

The thread is still open.

Anyone can discuss it.

So some people (and I'm one of them) want to have a serious discussion, and others in the same thread want to "have fun and laugh"...there's nothing that's going to go wrong there, right?

My sympathies are with Leon here. I admit I contributed a bit to the J&D myself with the song line from "The Age of Aquarius", but there was at least a serious point behind it.. I don't believe that results in the spiritual realm are or can be 100% predictable, at least not big results - the kind you look back and remember.
 
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Cat's Squirrel

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Paul's thread isn't just about Scientology, it's about any kind of therapy (including Paul's Robot). When can we say something works, and when can't we?

How about a meditation technique like TM? Does that work?

Worthy of a meaningful attempt at discussion, surely?

BTW, OT1 was IMO the last good level I did in the FZ. I got a good result from it, even though people weren't "flying in from all over the world to ask me questions about everything in the universe!!"
 
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