What helped me

[pomfritz]

Our whole family was always so wrapped up with being on post, on course, selling books, the whole good little cultie thing. Never any time for anything else, hobbies? Dilletantism! Relax after target one is attained!

Upon getting ready to leave the SO I thought of what I would do later on, one thing was to learn how to play the guitar. I am now teaching myself to play and I really enjoy it. Other things that helped, got a dog, bought a motorcycle (great lonely, winding roads around here), relaxed, talked to others about my experiences. I am also working on flourishing and prospering without the use of any f-ing conditions, admin scales, battleplans, or org board. I'll let you know how this ends up.

 

[Div6]

Our whole family was always so wrapped up with being on post, on course, selling books, the whole good little cultie thing. Never any time for anything else, hobbies? Dilletantism! Relax after target one is attained!

Upon getting ready to leave the SO I thought of what I would do later on, one thing was to learn how to play the guitar. I am now teaching myself to play and I really enjoy it. Other things that helped, got a dog, bought a motorcycle (great lonely, winding roads around here), relaxed, talked to others about my experiences. I am also working on flourishing and prospering without the use of any f-ing conditions, admin scales, battleplans, or org board. I'll let you know how this ends up.

Please do. It actually is easy without all those additives, if your postulates are sticking. I bought a guitar recently myself. Long story, but I am having fun.

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Our whole family was always so wrapped up with being on post, on course, selling books, the whole good little cultie thing. Never any time for anything else, hobbies? Dilletantism! Relax after target one is attained!

Upon getting ready to leave the SO I thought of what I would do later on, one thing was to learn how to play the guitar. I am now teaching myself to play and I really enjoy it. Other things that helped, got a dog, bought a motorcycle (great lonely, winding roads around here), relaxed, talked to others about my experiences. I am also working on flourishing and prospering without the use of any f-ing conditions, admin scales, battleplans, or org board. I'll let you know how this ends up.

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doesnt that freedom feel so god-damned good!!!! We never knew what we were missing.

I havent used a piece ethics (or any) tech for years!!! So nice. And I am doing very well.

I even have time for hobbies, which right now seems to be wrecking on my mountain bike and healing, all the while complaining and enjoying the cuts and bruises.

 

[pomfritz]

My kids are both now addicted to mountain biking and rock climbing. I tried a little of the mountain biking stuff and will stick to the motorized bikes.

 

[Wisened One]

Help for giving up OT?

Hi,

I want to know what you all did to let go of the OT skills sham.

At one time, my biggest fear was to die before being Clear and OT....

And I spent so many years of my life working so hard in mind,body and soul to attain OT (and help others)...and looking forward to BEING OT with god knew what skills you'd have (full exteriorization with full perceptions, etc.etc.)..and couldn't WAIT to to SuperPower,bla,bla,bla...

So sometimes it creeps in that I'm gonna be this little WOG for the rest of this life..yet I KNOW it's not like that....yet is there now anything, any STATE that one can still attain WITHOUT the Bridge?

I'm not saying I believe that the OT Levels are real, but it's hard sometimes to let go of BELIEVING they were real and working your tail off to attain them, you know?

So????

 

[Tanstaafl]

Hi,

I want to know what you all did to let go of the OT skills sham.

At one time, my biggest fear was to die before being Clear and OT....

And I spent so many years of my life working so hard in mind,body and soul to attain OT (and help others)...and looking forward to BEING OT with god knew what skills you'd have (full exteriorization with full perceptions, etc.etc.)..and couldn't WAIT to to SuperPower,bla,bla,bla...

So sometimes it creeps in that I'm gonna be this little WOG for the rest of this life..yet I KNOW it's not like that....yet is there now anything, any STATE that one can still attain WITHOUT the Bridge?

I'm not saying I believe that the OT Levels are real, but it's hard sometimes to let go of BELIEVING they were real and working your tail off to attain them, you know?

So????

I, for one, haven't given up the dream. I just don't think it's going to happen through the Church. Those who consider it was all a con - I don't blame you.

IMHO, current OTVIIIs have just scratched the surface of their cases. I don't care how long the road is, so long as I get to the end.

Cheers

tanstaafl

 

[Zinjifar]

I, for one, haven't given up the dream. I just don't think it's going to happen through the Church. Those who consider it was all a con - I don't blame you.

IMHO, current OTVIIIs have just scratched the surface of their cases. I don't care how long the road is, so long as I get to the end.

Cheers

tanstaafl

Why would you think there's an 'end'?

Yes, when the merry-go-ron stops, you go out the exit, but, it's right next to the entrance, and it's still the same carnival.

However, you may be a little dizzy

Zinj

 

[Veda]

I, for one, haven't given up the dream. I just don't think it's going to happen through the Church. Those who consider it was all a con - I don't blame you.

IMHO, current OTVIIIs have just scratched the surface of their cases. I don't care how long the road is, so long as I get to the end.

Cheers

tanstaafl

From what I've seen, most "current OT 8s" seem pretty screwed up.

But maybe you're right. Maybe their cases are just scratched.

 

[Tanstaafl]

Why would you think there's an 'end'?

Yes, when the merry-go-ron stops, you go out the exit, but, it's right next to the entrance, and it's still the same carnival.

However, you may be a little dizzy

Zinj

"The way to the goal is not to be measured"

The "end" is when I am just myself as I wish to be in present or any other time and in what location/s I choose to be. I'll use whatever tech works to travel that route and probably fall on my head a lot on the way. I may not even get there. I'm not even driven by this goal; it just feels like the right path for me.

I'm already dizzy so there's nothing to lose.

 

[Tanstaafl]

From what I've seen, most "current OT 8s" seem pretty screwed up.

But maybe you're right. Maybe their cases are just scratched.

I wouldn't say those that I have spoken with were screwed-up, but they didn't look like great "products".

 

[Alanzo]

"The way to the goal is not to be measured"

The "end" is when I am just myself as I wish to be in present or any other time and in what location/s I choose to be. I'll use whatever tech works to travel that route and probably fall on my head a lot on the way. I may not even get there. I'm not even driven by this goal; it just feels like the right path for me.

I'm already dizzy so there's nothing to lose.

You'll make it.

I can tell.

 

[Tanstaafl]

You'll make it.

I can tell.

Aw shucks, that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me. As I'm sure you've already guessed - I don't have many friends; which is why I reluctant to audit out all those BTs.

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Hi,

I want to know what you all did to let go of the OT skills sham.

At one time, my biggest fear was to die before being Clear and OT....

And I spent so many years of my life working so hard in mind,body and soul to attain OT (and help others)...and looking forward to BEING OT with god knew what skills you'd have (full exteriorization with full perceptions, etc.etc.)..and couldn't WAIT to to SuperPower,bla,bla,bla...

So sometimes it creeps in that I'm gonna be this little WOG for the rest of this life..yet I KNOW it's not like that....yet is there now anything, any STATE that one can still attain WITHOUT the Bridge?

I'm not saying I believe that the OT Levels are real, but it's hard sometimes to let go of BELIEVING they were real and working your tail off to attain them, you know?

So????

Hmm. If I may, in advance, ask that Fluffy, Terrill and any of the true believers cover their eyes and ears.

The OT levels are on a par with Harry Potter - children love "magical thinking" and it takes a while for it to sink in that they ain't getting an invite to Hogwarts Academy, they really won't be flying their Nimbus Firebolt and Polyjuice potion is just a figment of JK Rowling's imagination.

The OT levels are a product of Hubbard's turgid imagination, his dreams of dominance (take a look at his "affirmations"). Scientology is a bunch of rubbish put together by a man who never learned to research ANYTHING who had no ability to see where he could be wrong and who really, really, really wanted to dominate people.

It's not about us or our abilities - it was about Hubbard and how much we could admire him.

 

[Tanstaafl]

Hmm. If I may, in advance, ask that Fluffy, Terrill and any of the true believers cover their eyes and ears.

Any "true believer" worth their salt can grant such ideas isness and grant their author beingness. From what I've seen of Fluffy and Terrill, they fit into that category. Scn is supposed to be the science of certainty. If a Scn gets enturbulated by other viewpoints or inval of the tech (not the being) then he has little or no certainty and needs to go back to square one - PTSness be damned.

Cheers

tanstaafl

 

[Emma]

Hmm. If I may, in advance, ask that Fluffy, Terrill and any of the true believers cover their eyes and ears.

The OT levels are on a par with Harry Potter - children love "magical thinking" and it takes a while for it to sink in that they ain't getting an invite to Hogwarts Academy, they really won't be flying their Nimbus Firebolt and Polyjuice potion is just a figment of JK Rowling's imagination.

The OT levels are a product of Hubbard's turgid imagination, his dreams of dominance (take a look at his "affirmations"). Scientology is a bunch of rubbish put together by a man who never learned to research ANYTHING who had no ability to see where he could be wrong and who really, really, really wanted to dominate people.

It's not about us or our abilities - it was about Hubbard and how much we could admire him.

Awwww Mick!

You mean Hogwarts aint real???

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Hmm. If I may, in advance, ask that Fluffy, Terrill and any of the true believers cover their eyes and ears.

The OT levels are on a par with Harry Potter - children love "magical thinking" and it takes a while for it to sink in that they ain't getting an invite to Hogwarts Academy, they really won't be flying their Nimbus Firebolt and Polyjuice potion is just a figment of JK Rowling's imagination.

The OT levels are a product of Hubbard's turgid imagination, his dreams of dominance (take a look at his "affirmations"). Scientology is a bunch of rubbish put together by a man who never learned to research ANYTHING who had no ability to see where he could be wrong and who really, really, really wanted to dominate people.

It's not about us or our abilities - it was about Hubbard and how much we could admire him.

Hon, if I had any problems with opposing points of view re Scn, I'd have not lasted one nanosecond on a.r.s- nor would I have some of the friends I have.

So fire away.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Awwww Mick!

You mean Hogwarts aint real???

Bite your tongue!

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Hon, if I had any problems with opposing points of view re Scn, I'd have not lasted one nanosecond on a.r.s- nor would I have some of the friends I have.

So fire away.

Fluffy - I was being polite. Not firing away.

 

[Alan]

So sometimes it creeps in that I'm gonna be this little WOG for the rest of this life..yet I KNOW it's not like that....yet is there now anything, any STATE that one can still attain WITHOUT the Bridge?

I'm not saying I believe that the OT Levels are real, but it's hard sometimes to let go of BELIEVING they were real and working your tail off to attain them, you know?

So????

What has always worked for me is to focus on my goal(s) and get better at doing them.

Gradients of better.

I know what I love to do - that is what I do.

I know what my Prime Code is (A Prime Code is the reason one exists and do what they love to do.)

One of the things I love to do is apprentice! - Nowhere to go but up from that position.

I do my best to keep my importances in their correct order.

OT to me is making my intentions and visions come into being.

Making intentions and visions come into being has been around for a very long time.

The reason I got trained was so I did not have to ruin my life or others life by being on anyone elses time track.

The greatest OT process I know of is; to live my life to the fullest - to not be totally alone - I like to help others achieve their wants, dreams, goals and visions so they can live their lives the way they want to.

Alan

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Fluffy - I was being polite. Not firing away.

I know, Mick.

I like ya just fine... AND your posts.

I really do.

And I do read many of them.

Although I am very worried about that Hogwarts thing...