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AngeloV

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. . . and there's also the systemic eradication of overpopulation thetans in the Galactic Confederation.


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While one can question Hubbard's poorly crafted syntax and resulting ambiguity about how many beings were killed--either 250 billion per planet, or the more likely 178 billion of 250 billion living on each of the 76 planets--we can nonetheless easily calculate that Xenu's Holocaust murdered countless trillions of innocent people.

Well, actually let's run the math so we know how many exactly perished in the great galactic holocaust.

Using the lesser number (178 billion per planet):

178,000,000,000 x 76 (planets) = 13,528,000,000,000.

That's 13.53 Trillion murders.

By comparison, Nazis only killed 6M, so Hitler and his crew weren't nearly as dangerous!

And, Scientology has murdered way less than Nazis, so do you finally see what I've been saying all these years, people!? That Scientologists are really not bad at all.

And the funny thing about this fabricated 'space opera' story is that there are some people, that have posted on ESMB, who have claimed they got 'gains' from auditing this fictional nonsense. LOLOL!

PC: Oh yes, when I remembered being captured by the electronic ribbons after being blown into the atmosphere by the h-bomb, I realized why I stuck my finger into a wall outlet as a kid. I wanted to recreate that feeling of being zapped! (LFBD)

P.S. I love the way hubturd explains at the beginning of his scrawl that this story is 'very space opera'. Oh, really? Ya think? Like he is trying to excite his audience about the upcoming science fictional account of 'incident II'. "Oooooh, here comes the space opera stuff....I'm all a-twitter!!" LOLOL!
 
Of the many drug-addled writings and talks, this has always been a favorite of mine. And not because it's the reason for auditing. Okay, the point is, that the DC-10 has a maximum seating capacity of 380 bodies, on this planet.

As we know, the terrain was not hospitable on this planet, 75 million years ago. Least of all, to land a DC-10. Oh ... I just said "a DC-10". Let's see, with a capacity of 380 frozen bodies, you'd need around 10,526,315,790 DC-10s to transport just 4 trillion peep-sicles.
No.
No.
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He talks about this I think in History of Man. Maybe also on some tapes - the ice cube was a block of frozen glycol - and they packed beaucoup thetans in the block with beams that they had extracted from their bodies. The blocks were flown here in spaceships that looked like the DC 8's. They weren't DC 8's. They were bigger. The ice cubes were placed around the volcano. The H-bomb goes off - the intense heat instantly melts the cubes the intense winds blow the thetans into the sky where they are caught by electronic ribbons and they are then implanted en masse.

If you were more versed in Hubbard's Implantology, you would know this.

Sigh.

I guess some good came from all of the confidential tapes I listened to on the old version of the BC. Straighting out alter-is like this is as good as any reason to have done it.

Mimsey, why do you bother? you ask.

Because when you get the story wrong the Scio's you are trying to pry off Hubbard's pole trap won't believe you if you get the facts wrong.

Mimsey

Yes, I used alter-is knowingly with malice aforethought

Even Wiki has it correct, perish the thought:
Xenu was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of psychiatrists, he gathered billions[4][5] of his citizens under the pretense of income tax inspections, then paralyzed them and froze them in a mixture of alcohol and glycol to capture their souls. The kidnapped populace was loaded into spacecraft for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth).[5] The appearance of these spacecraft would later be subconsciously expressed in the design of the Douglas DC-8, the only difference being that "the DC8 had fans, propellers on it and the space plane didn't".[21] When they had reached Teegeeack, the paralyzed citizens were unloaded around the bases of volcanoes across the planet.[5][8] Hydrogen bombs were then lowered into the volcanoes and detonated simultaneously,[8] killing all but a few aliens. Hubbard described the scene in his film script, Revolt in the Stars:


Simultaneously, the planted charges erupted. Atomic blasts ballooned from the craters of Loa, Vesuvius, Shasta, Washington, Fujiyama, Etna, and many, many others. Arching higher and higher, up and outwards, towering clouds mushroomed, shot through with flashes of flame, waste and fission. Great winds raced tumultuously across the face of Earth, spreading tales of destruction ...

— L. Ron Hubbard, Revolt in the Stars[7]

The now-disembodied victims' souls, which Hubbard called thetans, were blown into the air by the blast. They were captured by Xenu's forces using an "electronic ribbon" ("which also was a type of standing wave") and sucked into "vacuum zones" around the world. The hundreds of billions[5][25] of captured thetans were taken to a type of cinema, where they were forced to watch a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for thirty-six days. This implanted what Hubbard termed "various misleading data"' (collectively termed the R6 implant) into the memories of the hapless thetans, "which has to do with God, the Devil, space opera, etcetera". This included all world religions; Hubbard specifically attributed Roman Catholicism and the image of the Crucifixion to the influence of Xenu. The two "implant stations" cited by Hubbard were said to have been located on Hawaii and Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
 
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Elronius of Marcabia

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As far as I can tell most Indie/Freezoners were booted out of the cofs or they left willingly (but in a huff) because they couldn't have their own way and were in constant "ethics" trouble. They often see themselves as rebels.

So, many of them land here (ESMB) and seem to hope/imagine that we are all in a similar frame of mind to them (hate the dwarf/still loyal to hubbard ... or one of the many variations on that theme) but we're not. Most people here seem to have done with the whole thing, want to hear no more cultspeak and are basically just laughing scientology out of their lives with like minded people and regaining a sense of themselves minus all that tedious cultic bunkum.

Freezoners/Indies have placed themselves in the middle of two groups of people with (mainly) opposing views and neither side want anything the Freezone/Indies are trying to sell and that doesn't seem very clever to me.

Most Freezoners/Indies (again, as far as I can tell) seem to be elderly old timers who are still thinking through a wall of crazy tehk and should perhaps consider taking up train spotting now instead of planet saving (they're very similar in many ways) ... I'd happily contribute to buying them all anoraks and authoritative looking clipboards and pencils.



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Low hanging fruit Trouble ? :coolwink: less work if your raw meat is half cooked :dieslaughing:
errrr I mean stalled somewhere along the Bridge to Toadal Freekdom :eyeroll::dieslaughing: :arrow:
 
Anonycat brings to mind a very good point: Hubbard has a long history of fascination with implants. He waxes enthusiastic on this subject on many tapes, books and HCOBs.

Somewhere he talks about how to get off a pole trap - it is dormant till a thetan touches it, then, via tractor beams. it pulls him onto it. If the thetan were to stop resisting it. He could leave at will. But he never thinks of that.

Scientology is really nothing more than a vast theta trap or implant.

His fascination brought to life.

And you thought science fiction wasn't real....

Mimsey
 
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Elronius of Marcabia

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Anonycat brings to mind a very good point: Hubbard has a long history of fascination with implants. He waxes enthusiastic on this subject on many tapes, books and HCOBs.

Somewhere he talks about how to get off a pole trap - it is dormant till a thetan touches it, then, via tractor beams pull him onto it. If the thetan were to stop resisting it. He could leave at will. But he never thinks of that.

Scientology is really nothing more than a vast theta trap.

His fascination brought to life.

And you thought science fiction wasn't real....

Mimsey

I love science fiction and find it entertaining as hell :clap::coolwink:

It's WhoBards Science Fact-ion I find slightly disconcerting and like
beach sand in a half wet pair swim trunks irratating but not truly dangerous:dieslaughing:
 

Anonycat

Crusader
No.
No.
No.
He talks about this I think in History of Man. Maybe also on some tapes - the ice cube was a block of frozen glycol - and they packed beaucoup thetans in the block with beams that they had extracted from their bodies. The blocks were flown here in spaceships that looked like the DC 8's. They weren't DC 8's. They were bigger. The ice cubes were placed around the volcano. The H-bomb goes off - the intense heat instantly melts the cubes the intense winds blow the thetans into the sky where they are caught by electronic ribbons and they are then implanted en masse.

If you were more versed in Hubbard's Implantology, you would know this.

Sigh.

I guess some good came from all of the confidential tapes I listened to on the old version of the BC. Straighting out alter-is like this is as good as any reason to have done it.

Mimsey, why do you bother? you ask.

Because when you get the story wrong the Scio's you are trying to pry off Hubbard's pole trap won't believe you if you get the facts wrong.

Mimsey

Yes, I used alter-is knowingly with malice aforethought

Even Wiki has it correct, perish the thought:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

No!

They were injected with glycol and alcohol, which prevented the souls from leaving the bodies. There is another funny story about being frozen - literally.

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A HISTORY OF MAN by L. Ron Hubbard Chapter Eight

page 64 THE ICE CUBE Here is an intriguing incident which, if your preclear demands, should be audited. This is evidently a method of transportation of beings to a new area.


The being is packed in ice, is taken to the new area and is usually dumped in the ocean. Your preclear, if he has this one in restimulation, has very cold hands and feet chronically. A thetan responds to hypnosis, pain, force and other factors. He also responds to being frozen in ice.

You wonder how the being, if the ice-cube is used or is necessary at all can get into the between lives area so easily...in other words, if he can be transported between lives with ease, why should be be dumped originally in the form of an ice-pack. Possibly the answer lies in two invader crews at work; an old invader, already in command of an area but rather down scale, controls by between-lives; a new invader crew with more ambition plants beings in the same area.

These beings then fall into the betweeen-lives routing which exists unbeknownst to the new crew. The new crew in the area is later much surprised to find that their planted beings, so carefully dumped in the sea from a saucer, are being picked up between-lives and given "treatment" by and old, established invader whose methods of political control are long since established. When such a discovery is made, the new crew may very likely knock out some of the old crew installations and upset the routine.

THE ICE-CUBE is quite authentic.
 

Terril park

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What I fail to understand is that you come to this forum as a champion of Hubbard and his tech whilst knowing full well that most who frequent here are critical of the Great OT.

Then you seem suprised at comments and replies to you? :ohmy:

Don't you think that you are choosing a rod for your own back?

Not especially a champion of Hubbard. I have had excellent results
from the tech and I know very many others who have also. I think he had some good ideas and /or plagiarized some. Also some ideas are toxic
and much effort to control people which I'm not so keen on.

The reason I wrote what I did was that the poster I replied to says I'd been harmed by Scn and that I didn't know it. This is massive eval and inval and is not at all true as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully he'll be less
keen to demonstrate such bad manners again.
 

Terril park

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As far as I can tell most Indie/Freezoners were booted out of the cofs or they left willingly (but in a huff) because they couldn't have their own way and were in constant "ethics" trouble. They often see themselves as rebels.

So, many of them land here (ESMB) and seem to hope/imagine that we are all in a similar frame of mind to them (hate the dwarf/still loyal to hubbard ... or one of the many variations on that theme) but we're not. Most people here seem to have done with the whole thing, want to hear no more cultspeak and are basically just laughing scientology out of their lives with like minded people and regaining a sense of themselves minus all that tedious cultic bunkum.

Freezoners/Indies have placed themselves in the middle of two groups of people with (mainly) opposing views and neither side want anything the Freezone/Indies are trying to sell and that doesn't seem very clever to me.

Most Freezoners/Indies (again, as far as I can tell) seem to be elderly old timers who are still thinking through a wall of crazy tehk and should perhaps consider taking up train spotting now instead of planet saving (they're very similar in many ways) ... I'd happily contribute to buying them all anoraks and authoritative looking clipboards and pencils.



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I loved trainspotting. Especially going around the engine sheds.

Deisels and electrics don't have the romance and charisma of steam.
I still ocasionally look up trains on utube.

IIRC the dress de jour was a duffel coat.
 

Anonycat

Crusader
Not especially a champion of Hubbard. I have had excellent results
from the tech and I know very many others who have also. I think he had some good ideas and /or plagiarized some. Also some ideas are toxic
and much effort to control people which I'm not so keen on.

The reason I wrote what I did was that the poster I replied to says I'd been harmed by Scn and that I didn't know it. This is massive eval and inval and is not at all true as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully he'll be less keen to demonstrate such bad manners again.

I see what you did there.

Then in closing, a massive eval and inval and an attempt at introverting him: Hopefully he'll be less keen to demonstrate such bad manners again.
 
No!

They were injected with glycol and alcohol, which prevented the souls from leaving the bodies. There is another funny story about being frozen - literally.

__________________________________

A HISTORY OF MAN by L. Ron Hubbard Chapter Eight

page 64 THE ICE CUBE Here is an intriguing incident which, if your preclear demands, should be audited. This is evidently a method of transportation of beings to a new area.


The being is packed in ice, is taken to the new area and is usually dumped in the ocean. Your preclear, if he has this one in restimulation, has very cold hands and feet chronically. A thetan responds to hypnosis, pain, force and other factors. He also responds to being frozen in ice. You wonder how the being, if the ice-cube is used or is necessary at all can get into the between lives area so easily...in other words, if he can be transported between lives with ease, why should be be dumped originally in the form of an ice-pack. Possibly the answer lies in two invader crews at work; an old invader, already in command of an area but rather down scale, controls by between-lives; a new invader crew with more ambition plants beings in the same area.

These beings then fall into the betweeen-lives routing which exists unbeknownst to the new crew. The new crew in the area is later much surprised to find that their planted beings, so carefully dumped in the sea from a saucer, are being picked up between-lives and given "treatment" by and old, established invader whose methods of political control are long since established. When such a discovery is made, the new crew may very likely knock out some of the old crew installations and upset the routine.

THE ICE-CUBE is quite authentic.
I could be wrong. That's how I have always understood it - the thetan was frozen in the mix. I no longer have my notes from the tapes - but they were packed en masse into the cubes. See red in your quote - he is saying the thetan responds to being packed in ice. Not the body.

Wasn't there one of those old covers that had the guy carrying a block of ice? I can't seem to find it. Perhaps you can and post it?

Mimsey
 

Elronius of Marcabia

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Not especially a champion of Hubbard. I have had excellent results
from the tech and I know very many others who have also. I think he had some good ideas and /or plagiarized some. Also some ideas are toxic
and much effort to control people which I'm not so keen on.

The reason I wrote what I did was that the poster I replied to says I'd been harmed by Scn and that I didn't know it. This is massive eval and inval and is not at all true as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully he'll be less
keen to demonstrate such bad manners again.

I believe the fellow said "may have been harmed" so you proceed to do as Mr Cruise put his manners
in for him ? :dieslaughing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl_JeSNUsrY
 

Bill

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The reason I wrote what I did was that the poster I replied to says I'd been harmed by Scn and that I didn't know it. This is massive eval and inval and is not at all true as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully he'll be less
keen to demonstrate such bad manners again.
Once again, I am reminded of how very, very, very delicate Scientologists are. At the first sign of any "eval" or "inval" Scientologists' shields go up! Oh! The humanity! All their "gains" will be GONE if "eval" or "inval" is not avoided at all costs!

In a world where opinions, discussions, criticisms are everywhere, Scientologists are at extreme risk. Their sensitivity dial is at 11.

So, instead of just ignoring someone's opinion or perhaps discussing it you must (to use the Scientology phrase) carefully "make them wrong" for having the opinion. It is "eval", it is "inval", it is "bad manners".
 

Elronius of Marcabia

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Once again, I am reminded of how very, very, very delicate Scientologists are. At the first sign of any "eval" or "inval" Scientologists' shields go up! Oh! The humanity! All their "gains" will be GONE if "eval" or "inval" is not avoided at all costs!

In a world where opinions, discussions, criticisms are everywhere, Scientologists are at extreme risk. Their sensitivity dial is at 11.

So, instead of just ignoring someone's opinion or perhaps discussing it you must (to use the Scientology phrase) carefully "make them wrong" for having the opinion. It is "eval", it is "inval", it is "bad manners".

Sacred Cows ?:dieslaughing:oops forgot I still had that signature :biggrin:
 

HelluvaHoax!

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What I fail to understand is that you come to this forum as a champion of Hubbard and his tech whilst knowing full well that most who frequent here are critical of the Great OT.

Then you seem suprised at comments and replies to you? :ohmy:

Don't you think that you are choosing a rod for your own back?

That's a really excellent point.

It has been endlessly fascinating to me since I first joined ESMB (Jan 2009) that many blown COS Scientologists wanted to come here to PROMOTE Dr. Hubbard's Clear/OT "workable" technology.

Quite obviously the "workable" tech did not work, or they would not have blown from the Church of Scientology. Oh, what's that you say? You are saying that they blew even though the tech does work--because there are SPs in the COS who are mean and alter the tech? Right, that's what I'm saying--the tech didn't work or the OTs would have handled or gotten rid of their SPs and out-KSW.

Note to Indie Scientologists: You can't have it both ways. Either the tech works (in which case SPs, PTSes, Out-KSW, out-tech, out-ethics and squirreling would have all be very easily fixed), OR none of those problems could be fixed because the tech doesn't work. Pick one.

Back to the main point--why do blown COS Scientologists (who are still Scientologists) want to come to a website that is 97.5% EX-Scientologists in order to try and disseminate Hubbard's Bridge?

Why?

After years of "listing" this puzzling paradox, I have what I think is an obvious and simple answer. (WARNING: Indie Scientologists, you should not read beyond this point because severe restimulation and/or case upset can result):

REASON WHY: Because Scientologists are, by default, desperate people.

* Desperate to get "agreement" on the Commodore's technology. Because "agreement" is reality. And in the unstable, erratic, chaotic, delusionally dedicated world of trying to apply Hubbard's technology (which doesn't work) one is continuously met with stress, upset and severe disappointment. And one remedy to all that horrible anxiety (it seems to the Scientologist) is to get others to AGREE that the tech will work. Because, hopefully (they believe), if people AGREE, it will become "true for them".​

* Desperately lonely. It's a cruel, lonely existence to be an "Operating Thetan" on a prison planet. Who can a supernaturally-powered being "two-way com" or "play uptone games" with? So the Indie (blown COS Scientologists) make their cyber pilgrimage to the Mecca of Misunderstoods (ESMB) where misguided squirrels & SPs (us) are unproductively stuck "off lines" and "off the Bridge". Jeez! This is just what an Indie is looking for--someone to handle with the tech! Because that keeps them super-busy where they don't have time to think about how in 30-40 years of being in Scientology, nobody (including themselves) was able to handle their own case. It's the same pathetic syndrome within the COS where decades-long staff members are still not OT VIII, nor OT III, nor even Clear! Yet they labor endlessly without pay or other consideration to "handle" and "clear" all the beings "on this planet". Desperate, I tell ya! lol

* Desperately unable to find anyone who will listen to them. Scientologists desperately need to "itsa" to get their "case gain" and "cognitions" and "floating needles" and "blowout wins". In order to "itsa" one need a "terminal". In the real (wog) world, people are busy and don't want to listen to Hubbard's bizarre, cringy, creepy sci-fi stories---as retold by ever-so-eager Scientologists who grin while dutifully repeating Hubbard's ridiculous pseudo-scientific scripture. Wogs laugh and evaluate and invalidate Scientologists trying to weave their magic mythological web of "Hey, we are all omnipotent Gods who lost our powers trillions of years ago and now we are degraded slaves on a prison planet. But we can fix all that in a jiffy with Dr. Hubbard's magical auditing commands!" So--nobody will listen to the hapless Indies, yet their frantic compulsion to find a "safe terminal" rages within. Now, the arrive at ESMB and begin to sell Hubbard's tall tales to people who routinely reject & ridicule the lunacy of the cruel hoax known as Scientology. Even with that relentless jeering, Indies often stick around because what is their alternative? They can't find wogs who will listen and at least people on ESMB don't slam the door in their face--they actually RESPOND to the Indie's sales pitch. A bad response is better than no response, so the Indie hangs around. By the way, this is the same exact reason why COS orgs keep sending the same fail-mail promotional materials to the same "CF" names for 20,30,40 or even 50 years after the person has blown and never once responded. That's why orgs keep calling and promoting to blown Scientologists who change their phone numbers or repeatedly scream and demand that they be removed from the orgs central files mailing/calling list. The COS has nobody who will listen to them either.

* Desperate to get that old FN-ey feeling back, even if only for a brief moment. Scientologists are well practiced in the art of mental masturbation and giving themselves thrills with whole track imagination and other delusional feelings of OT grandeur. When they left the COS, all that wonderful world was lost to them--for, they could not look deeply into a lower-level Scientologist's eyes with that gleaming-eyed, all-knowing grin certainty as they assured others that they had "made it" to OT. Yeah, it's creepy how Scientologists lie to other Scientologists in order to pump up their own sense of superiority and produce that momentary, euphoric "FN" sensation. The blown COS Scientologist doesn't have a captive audience of auditors, case supervisors, D of P's, and other Scientologists (called to applaud them spontaneous "musters" or graduations). They have nobody to run their OT game on, so they come to ESMB (or anywhere really) that is willing to at least listen to their huge wins--even if the response is to laugh at it. That's desperate, folks, desperate.​


Scientologists: They're desperate, delusional deities. And Gods typically like to have mortals who behold them with awe and worship them. So these OT Gods need to find a "safe space" to sell their story. Hey, the internet! That's a bright idea! Especially talk forums where there are "rules of conduct" that prevent people from saying what they really think about their stupidly imaginary OT powers. LOL
 

Terril park

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I believe the fellow said "may have been harmed" so you proceed to do as Mr Cruise put his manners
in for him ? :dieslaughing:

This is the exact quote:-

"Has it occurred to you that auditing may have harmed in in ways which you are unable to see at the time and are unable to see now?"

I am not allowed to respond?
 

Terril park

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Once again, I am reminded of how very, very, very delicate Scientologists are. At the first sign of any "eval" or "inval" Scientologists' shields go up! Oh! The humanity! All their "gains" will be GONE if "eval" or "inval" is not avoided at all costs!

In a world where opinions, discussions, criticisms are everywhere, Scientologists are at extreme risk. Their sensitivity dial is at 11.

So, instead of just ignoring someone's opinion or perhaps discussing it you must (to use the Scientology phrase) carefully "make them wrong" for having the opinion. It is "eval", it is "inval", it is "bad manners".

My delicacy and sensitivity is quite low. Note that I have been here almost since the board was formed and routinely words are posted to the effect that all scientologists lie, are stupid and brainwashed and I rarely
comment or take exception.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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My delicacy and sensitivity is quite low. Note that I have been here almost since the board was formed and routinely words are posted to the effect that all scientologists lie, are stupid and brainwashed and I rarely comment or take exception.

Hey Terill, remember that LRH handling of people who don't think Scientology worked? Remember the process or "remedy" you run on them to fix that? (REMINDER: The command for a "hidden standard" is: "What would have to happen for you to know that Scientology worked?")

I have a command for you.

It's a remedy for people that do think Scientology worked.

"What would have to happen for you to know that Scientology didn't work?"


Example: I know people right this very moment who are true-blue Scientologists. They are bankrupt, lost their home and cars. Lost their business. Went bankrupt. Can't even work or make any money now. Doesn't support their own family and kids. Total effect on finance. This is an OT VIII who has spent millions of dollars on their Bridge for decades and had the best auditors and c/ses in the world, trained by Ron himself. Yet, they lost everything (despite their multi-million dollar donation "STATUS" within the church). This individual continues to post on their Facebook all manner of LRH quotes on "OT" and "Cause" and "Power" and how easy it is with the "tech" to "handle everything". They still believe in and promote the tech. They are incapable of the thought that the tech not working. Even though they are surrounded, in fact OVERWHELMED with evidence all around them that the tech failed miserably and their life is devastated. How bad would it have to get for that person to know that the tech didn't work? WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THEM TO KNOW THE TECH DIDN'T WORK? (get it?, lol)
 

Terril park

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Hey Terill, remember that LRH handling of people who don't think Scientology worked? Remember the process or "remedy" you run on them to fix that? (REMINDER: The command for a "hidden standard" is: "What would have to happen for you to know that Scientology worked?")

I have a command for you.

It's a remedy for people that do think Scientology worked.

"What would have to happen for you to know that Scientology didn't work?"


Example: I know people right this very moment who are true-blue Scientologists. They are bankrupt, lost their home and cars. Lost their business. Went bankrupt. Can't even work or make any money now. Doesn't support their own family and kids. Total effect on finance. This is an OT VIII who has spent millions of dollars on their Bridge for decades and had the best auditors and c/ses in the world, trained by Ron himself. Yet, they lost everything (despite their multi-million dollar donation "STATUS" within the church). This individual continues to post on their Facebook all manner of LRH quotes on "OT" and "Cause" and "Power" and how easy it is with the "tech" to "handle everything". They still believe in and promote the tech. They are incapable of the thought that the tech not working. Even though they are surrounded, in fact OVERWHELMED with evidence all around them that the tech failed miserably and their life is devastated. How bad would it have to get for that person to know that the tech didn't work? WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THEM TO KNOW THE TECH DIDN'T WORK? (get it?, lol)

Out of curiosity did you try running this on your friend?
 

Gizmo

Rabble Rouser
Not especially a champion of Hubbard. I have had excellent results
from the tech and I know very many others who have also. I think he had some good ideas and /or plagiarized some. Also some ideas are toxic
and much effort to control people which I'm not so keen on.

The reason I wrote what I did was that the poster I replied to says I'd been harmed by Scn and that I didn't know it. This is massive eval and inval and is not at all true as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully he'll be less
keen to demonstrate such bad manners again.

Terril, can you help me understand why followers of the tech are so thin skinned & overly sensitive - yet, bless their hearts, dole out exactly what they object to others doing ?

What you call " inval & eval " passes for opinion out in the real world. Please read your own posts & see if you can see where you are doing - perhaps - exactly what you think others are doing to you.

It makes for hilarious reading !
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
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"What would have to happen for you to know that Scientology didn't work?"


Example: I know people right this very moment who are true-blue Scientologists. They are bankrupt, lost their home and cars. Lost their business. Went bankrupt. Can't even work or make any money now. Doesn't support their own family and kids. Total effect on finance. This is an OT VIII who has spent millions of dollars on their Bridge for decades and had the best auditors and c/ses in the world, trained by Ron himself. Yet, they lost everything (despite their multi-million dollar donation "STATUS" within the church).

Snip


What you people don't get is that the tech work and had always worked - the reason it fails is when people are out-ethics and alter the tech (i.e David MissCavige and billions of SPs)

When KSW is applied and people ethics fixed - they won't be effect of evil and suppression - thus tech can be implanted and used successfully to save the planet

on this planet :yes:

I look forward MS2 and indies to succeed in this mission :biggrin:
 
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