What is a right and wrong? Story and Question.

[Emma]

Wait. When did it become OK on ESMB to openly accuse members of being OSA because of their WRITING STYLE?????

Where is the proof. Any proof. Any smell of a whiff of some proof that this guy is anything other than he says. TAJs post doesn't make sense in that it was Dexter who was smearing Mikes name, along with Zinj (because of his WRITING STYLE). Yep that was Zinjs proof too. Yet TAJ thinks they are both OSA. Go figure.

Writing Style.

For fucks sake.

I got more "proof" that Zinj is OSA than you'll ever have to show that Mike Laws is OSA.

All I do know is that if I wrote a post on why Carmel or Zinj was OSA I wouldn't get away with it. Yet you seem to this its fine to do it with someone else.

Why?

 

[Emma]

You know, the more you fuckers witch hunt Mike Laws, the more you put me in a position where I have to defend him. Not because I want to, but because I'm bound to. I hate this witch hunting bullshit!

You have nothing but slimey innuendo, (God give me strength) "writing style", "intuition" , the word of a FZer who can't reveal his source (how convenient) and Carmel who's pissed at Mike because he wouldn't take her side when she was trying to black PR Feral & Scooter.

Where is your god damned proof!!!!!

 

[programmer_guy]

I have never suspected any of them to be OSA.

But I am suspicious of two party conflicts when the subject of questionable financial investments comes into play.
(I don't know that anything illegal happened... it just sets off my mental alarm bells.)

 

[Infinite]

Wait. When did it become OK on ESMB to openly accuse members of being OSA because of their WRITING STYLE?????

I would say its always okay to openly accuse someone of being OSA for any reason. It will quickly become apparent whether the reasons are justified or not, Laws can respond or not, and others can contribute to the discussion. The problems only start when the accusations are driven underground for fear of censure.

Haven't exes had enough of being told what they can and cannot say?

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Where is the proof. Any proof. Any smell of a whiff of some proof that this guy is anything other than he says. TAJs post doesn't make sense in that it was Dexter who was smearing Mikes name, along with Zinj (because of his WRITING STYLE). Yep that was Zinjs proof too. Yet TAJ thinks they are both OSA. Go figure.

Writing Style.

For fucks sake.

I got more "proof" that Zinj is OSA than you'll ever have to show that Mike Laws is OSA.

All I do know is that if I wrote a post on why Carmel or Zinj was OSA I wouldn't get away with it. Yet you seem to this its fine to do it with someone else.

Why?

Emma,

I am expressing my views. Not Zinj's, or yours, or anybody else's.

Don't judge my post based on whether it makes sense or not because it is consistent or not with what Zinj wrote.

I wrote why I think he may be OSA and I wrote why I think he is poison even if he isn't OSA. And all those points are more than just his writing style.

I wrote it to him on a thread he started that addressed allegations about him and he asked what he should do.

What should I have done? Just PMed others my suspicions? That's cowardly.

That kind of sneakyness creates hard feelings.

I've been up front with my opinions. Anyone can challenge them. It's here for all to see.

I put my suspicions out in the open for him to respond to if he feels slandered.

And others have expressed on this thread their disagreements with my view.

Isn't that the way it should be?

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Emma]

I would say its always okay to openly accuse someone of being OSA for any reason. It will quickly become apparent whether the reasons are justified or not, Laws can respond or not, and others can contribute to the discussion. The problems only start when the accusations are driven underground for fear of censure.

Haven't exes had enough of being told what they can and cannot say?

Dude, OSA hunting is a really, really, REALLY dumb game. I've seen more folks accused of being OSA over the past 10 years than I've had hot dinners. Seriously. And one for one they always turn out to be wrong.

Being called "OSA" is a pretty filthy insult and not something one usually does lightly.

If I say it's ok to just up and call anyone OSA on a whim, I might as well say you can call anyone you like a c**t. Even if it's just because you don't like their writing style.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Emma,

The guy's texture, tone and content is the most obvious shibboleth I have ever seen.

That is all I am saying.

You don't have to defend him. Let him defend himself.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Free to shine]

Emma,

The guy's texture, tone and content is the most obvious shibboleth I have ever seen.

That is all I am saying.

You don't have to defend him. Let him defend himself.

The Anabaptist Jacques

From what I have seen he already has. Look how far that got him!

For the intellectuals on this board - you have no fucking idea what it's like to be brought up in scientology.
I ran a scio school for a while and the babies could write success stories and KRs before they could tie their shoelaces.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

From what I have seen he already has. Look how far that got him!

For the intellectuals on this board - you have no fucking idea what it's like to be brought up in scientology.

No Free, he hasn't posted since my post.

Don't get stuck on the term writing style. I didn't use that.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Infinite]

Dude, OSA hunting is a really, really, REALLY dumb game. I've seen more folks accused of being OSA over the past 10 years than I've had hot dinners. Seriously. And one for one they always turn out to be wrong.

Being called "OSA" is a pretty filthy insult and not something one usually does lightly.

If I say it's ok to just up and call anyone OSA on a whim, I might as well say you can call anyone you like a c**t. Even if it's just because you don't like their writing style.

OSA hunting comes with the territory. Get over it. I hate it myself, but lets have it out in the open. In this specific instance you will have to acknowledge that Laws brought up the possibility of his being OSA. In a bizarre admission of participating in illegal currency trading, he goes on to ask the board for advice. My response was DOX or STFU - anyone here can tell TAJ the same thing because its in the open. Its the back channels where rumour turns to fact, and plots to plans.

Yes, by all means, if you feel like it, call me a cunt, tell me I've fucking lost it and gone nuts, tell me dig up my dead granny's rotting corpse and root it to bits - tell me what ever you like. Just do it to my face, out in the open where others can see, and I can respond. That's bravery and should be encouraged, not Com Ev'd.

 

[Free to shine]

I would say its always okay to openly accuse someone of being OSA for any reason. It will quickly become apparent whether the reasons are justified or not, Laws can respond or not, and others can contribute to the discussion. The problems only start when the accusations are driven underground for fear of censure.

Haven't exes had enough of being told what they can and cannot say?

Openly accusing someone of being OSA is a no win situation and it WILL NOT resolve by talking about it.

Dude - to put it in your own fucking lingo - DOX or GTFO.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Openly accusing someone of being OSA is a no win situation and it WILL NOT resolve by talking about it.

Dude - to put it in your own fucking lingo - DOX or GTFO.

Free,

Look at my whole post. I wrote why I think he is OSA. I wasn't basing it on outside facts or links or anything anyone else said or did.

There is nothing to document. I expressed my opinion and anyone can counter it.

I also said that I could be wrong. You've seem to overlook that, so here it is:

It's from post #42

"But let's say I am wrong and you are a sincere ex-Scientologist and a critic.

I still don't trust you. Why? Because even if you aren't operating as an OSA operative, you still have the character and mindset of a Scientologist who deeply believes in the Tech. And, of course, the same goes for Dexter.

What this means is that you DO Scientology. That you will screw-up any social situation just as a Scientologist would, because your operating basis in life is based on L. Ron Hubbard's anti-humanistic, fascistic, and elitist view of life.

And this makes a lone Scientologist especially viral when working in a group.

The elitism is visible in the patronizing and condescending tone of your posts.

Alanzo, a great critic of Scientology, posts here no more. Zinj, another great critic post here no more. Both were great critics of Scientology itself. And by great I mean that both were able to analyze and point out the flaws of Scientology and communicate those flaws effectively to exes, newbies as well as veteran exes, and to non-Scientologist alike.

Nexus and Byte are also gone. And Good Twin and others have become dissillusioned with the Board.

And Emma is upset and seeminly frustrated.

But here you are."

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Nicole]

This OSA discusion here gives OSA power...

Let me explain this... You won't see a good OSA "spion". That OSA "spion" is trained to let other people seem to be OSA.

When you forget OSA here on this board, OSA won't have the power anymore here on this board. ...and the really OSA Spion hasn't a working (weak) point.

Forget OSA and you will see OSA, because they have to work other....

 

[Free to shine]

Free,

Look at my whole post. I wrote why I think he is OSA. I wasn't basing it on outside facts or links or anything anyone else said or did.

There is nothing to document. I expressed my opinion and anyone can counter it.

I also said that I could be wrong. You've seem to overlook that, so here it is:

It's from post #42

"But let's say I am wrong and you are a sincere ex-Scientologist and a critic.

I still don't trust you. Why? Because even if you aren't operating as an OSA operative, you still have the character and mindset of a Scientologist who deeply believes in the Tech. And, of course, the same goes for Dexter.

What this means is that you DO Scientology. That you will screw-up any social situation just as a Scientologist would, because your operating basis in life is based on L. Ron Hubbard's anti-humanistic, fascistic, and elitist view of life.

And this makes a lone Scientologist especially viral when working in a group.

The elitism is visible in the patronizing and condescending tone of your posts.

Alanzo, a great critic of Scientology, posts here no more. Zinj, another great critic post here no more. Both were great critics of Scientology itself. And by great I mean that both were able to analyze and point out the flaws of Scientology and communicate those flaws effectively to exes, newbies as well as veteran exes, and to non-Scientologist alike.

Nexus and Byte are also gone. And Good Twin and others have become dissillusioned with the Board.

And Emma is upset and seeminly frustrated.

But here you are."

The Anabaptist Jacques

And I responded (in part)

Just a comment TAJ.
I can't recall seeing anything that Mike has written that indicates he is a current scientologist, correct me if I am wrong.

You said "a sincere ex scientologist and a critic" and then just after that "this means you DO scientology." :confused2:

I can't see "the character and mindset of a Scientologist who deeply believes in the Tech." in anything Mike Laws has written, therefore your comments ARE based soley on his writing style, ie "the patronizing and condescending tone of your posts."

And if you do see something I don't, then I offered an alternative explanation that seems to have gone unnoticed.

 

[TheSneakster]

OSA hunting comes with the territory. Get over it. .

This is Emma's board you arrogant prick. She doesn't have to "get over it".

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

This OSA discusion here gives OSA power...

Let me explain this... You won't see a good OSA "spion". That OSA "spion" is trained to let other people seem to be OSA.

When you forget OSA here on this board, OSA won't have the power anymore here on this board. ...and the really OSA Spion hasn't a working (weak) point.

Forget OSA and you will see OSA, because they have to work other....

can you write this in English?

 

[programmer_guy]

Free to Shine,

Though I was nervous about the setup and execution, what motivated me to back out of the deal was his non scio sibling (I was friends with much of his family) pulling me aside and telling me that I needed to watch my back, get out, this brother was a pathological liar with a long string of consecutive business failures, cons, fake college degrees, criminality and all the rest. Though I still couldn't imagine my friend as a total criminal nor did I as a Scio know what a pathological liar was, I could verify a few of his past misdeeds and wanted out; I was scared. I was happy to be friends, but didn't want to have financial dealings. He didn't want to remain friends without my money.

I wanted my money out immediately, he got upset, I got upset, he threatened me, I threatened reporting him to the feds, he threatened me professionally and through the COS, that I would be expelled for reporting him, a scientologist in good standing. I consulted an attorney, tried to get them in touch. All profits magically disappeared in trading losses that day (no documentation provided of course), and I was offered my initial investment back with little more. I took it, happy to get out whole. I got docs here.

About 2 years ago I was a witness (on a Metrolink train platform) to, what appeared to be, a huge conflict between 2 scam artists. (One had been involved in scamming another scammer.) This scam artist obviously wanted "out" and was in fear of his life.

The guy had obviously come up to the train platform to have witnesses should anything go physically wrong when the henchman (hired gun for one scam artist) came after him (another scam artist). I was about 3 feet from them as the ensuing tirade went on and on. Eventually, the henchman left the train platform as there were too many witnesses and one regular passenger lent their cell phone for the con-artist under attack to call 911, which he did.

I learned "a lesson" on that day.

 

[Free to shine]

Free to Shine,

Sorry mate, I didn't really get the inference when you posted that originally.

So who are the two scam artists then?

 

[programmer_guy]

Sorry mate, I didn't really get the inference when you posted that originally.

So who are the two scam artists then?

I happen to believe that Mike tells you that in his post. Go reread what he said.

 

[Stat]

Anyone wants to start a thread "FBI watching OSA watching ESMB"?
'Cause the way things are going lately, it's getting there.

Hola.