What is an ex scientologist?

[lionheart]

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If it comes to that, Lionheart, discussing and making comments about another contributor's choices in discussion and making comments about tendencies one thinks they have or might have are off the point. So I must ask you this: Could you "let go"?

Hi Fluff, why must you ask me that? What was compelling you to ask that?

Why are you not taking up "uniqumand's" very good point about being a Scientologist who uses no Scientology?

Anyway if you choose not to continue that discussion with him, I believe his point was very well made and the more effective for your silence in reply.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Hi Fluff, why must you ask me that? What was compelling you to ask that?.

I wasn't compelled. Just inclined. And I was inclined because months went by without any communication between us, then you come back to the forum and within days- boom!- comment about what you think I usually do. I think that's something (of which) you ought to let go.

Why are you not taking up "uniqumand's" very good point about being a Scientologist who uses no Scientology?

I told you that I respond and read where I choose and that sometimes I let discussions drop- same as anyone else here.

Anyway if you choose not to continue that discussion with him, I believe his point was very well made and the more effective for your silence in reply.

Silence isn't necessary assent . It isn't necessarily a decline, either. It does not constitute an answer in and of itself. I got tired of arguing back and forth with Uniquemand, I felt it wasn't going anywhere, it was happening on a lot of threads, I didn't think it was good for me or for him or for the board and so I plonked him. And if you'd really checked into the matter, you'd have seen the post where I said I was doing so.

As I said, I've been told, to put it mildly, by many people that I should not always answer back. And whaddaya know. It's a problem for some when I don't answer back.

So don't worry about it. Read and answer the posts you wish to answer and read and the rest of us will do the same.

 

[uniquemand]

I think you just got tired of getting schooled, Fluff, but I can see why you'd rather spin it some other way.

 

[AlexSGabor]

What is an Ex-Sea Org Member?

I have been wondering about this for a while.

I presume most of you consider yourselves "exes" (excluding those who were never in) considering you post here, but what exactly is an "ex"?

It seems to be a loose term because we have all sorts of people here. I'd like to get some sort of an idea of what defines an ex (if possible).

Maybe you don't consider yourself an ex but post here anyway - which is fine too.

What are your ideas on this?

I for one have never wondered about it. Can one undo a billion year committment just because someone third parties you into a suppressive person decalre. A better question might be how many Sea Org members were falsely labelled SPs'?

If anyone wants to connect up, contact the undersigned at [email protected].

g!

 

[michaelangelo]

I for one have never wondered about it. Can one undo a billion year committment just because someone third parties you into a suppressive person decalre. A better question might be how many Sea Org members were falsely labelled SPs'?

If anyone wants to connect up, contact the undersigned at [email protected].

g!

A billion year commitment?. No, I don't think theres enough beans and rice to keep them going that long.

 

[owl]

i don't know if i ever really considered myself a scientologist so i don't consider myself an "ex" one.

 

[Happy Aberree]

I only caught the first couple pages of this thread, so I'll just go off Emma's original.

It would really have to come down to a common denominator of all the past-$cn, declared, anti-, etc, people.

I haven't done nearly enough searching to have any accurate idea what that would be, but based on the posts and sites I've seen, An EX-$cn would have something to do with 'people who are distressed or dissatisfied with the negative effects of $cn' as the broad definition IMO, and then 'past-members who are distressed or dissatisfied with the negative effects of $cn' as a narrower definition.

Even though I know many here have not been part of c0$, because I have been, I consider myself in the latter definition and the people I want to communicate to are mainly those IN $cn who might leave because that's what I did.

It is a tough one though

HAB

 

[airhead]

Being new here, I certainly hope that people don't get too caught up in HOW "ex" a person is.

That, to me, would be as bad as the all-or-nothing statements in KSW such as: "Consider they're signed up for the duration" (paraphrase).

I am big on religious tolerance, and I would hate to see this board become an intolerant place.

I would, however, agree with kicking all reges, recruiters, FSMs, ethics officers and call-in personnel off the board!!

 

[auntpat]

Not Scientologist...Not EX

Scn was a tool that I used. I have also used screw drivers but was not a screwdriveroligist. The tool was useful in my life at the time. When it became more of a problem and less of a solution I stopped using it.
I was never a Scientologist, so apparently could not be an Ex.....
Both terms that I have used in speaking to others to describe what I was doing for 15 or 16 years and am no longer doing. It is just easier than saying using the tool of Scn.
I stopped using that particular tool 38 years ago and seldom think about it. I just recently found the book "Messiah or Madman", at the used book store and read it. That prompted me to look on the web for recent info and find this site.
For matters of of realities shared I do not mind being called ExScn.

 

[Lee_from_phx]

I am big on religious tolerance, and I would hate to see this board become an intolerant place.

I'm big on religious tolerance too, but just because a noxious group of predators calls their association a religion doesn't mean we should refrain from calling them on their bullshit.

Tolerance is a virtue, but tolerance of evil is moral cowardice.

Scientology is nothing more than a cult whose purpose is to defraud its victims of their money and then destroy their lives. Those are the two things that it does with extreme consistency. First it goes after your money, and when that is all used up it tries to enslave you. Its the closest thing to pure evil that I've ever seen up close.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I think CofS is highly toxic for sure. But then again, Scientology can be found in more than one place.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Tolerance is a virtue, but tolerance of evil is moral cowardice.

Only some of us consider "evil" to be a state of mind which exists wholly in the imagination of those morally conditioned to ascribe "bad things" to "other causes".

I've never seen anything described under the sobriquet of "evil" which wasn't fully accounted for by the buddhist conception of the "three poisons" (ignorance, anger & desire). It is better to consider one's own contributions to the propagation of such conditions and how one can act to diminish them.

Mark A. Baker

 

[uncle sam]

It's all about the $$$$$

You wish to know what an EX is--it's a person with $$$ in their pocket who no longer looks over their shoulder and fears that a reg is going to take it....

 

[Winston Smith]

You wish to know what an EX is--it's a person with $$$ in their pocket who no longer looks over their shoulder and fears that a reg is going to take it....

Excellent! Shouldn't say this in a public forum, but I am pretty much a millionaire today. If I hadn't told Lorraine Scheffler to shove it and also break the lease on that Calomiris apt, I think I wouldn't have but a few dollars and for sure my teeth would have rotted out just like LRH's.

I learned my lesson well from FCDC regs...one even drove me down to Richmond to withdraw money from a Methodist Church account, the jerk. That is a story for another day.

 

[uncle sam]

Hello Winston,,,,

Excellent! Shouldn't say this in a public forum, but I am pretty much a millionaire today. If I hadn't told Lorraine Scheffler to shove it and also break the lease on that Calomiris apt, I think I wouldn't have but a few dollars and for sure my teeth would have rotted out just like LRH's.

I learned my lesson well from FCDC regs...one even drove me down to Richmond to withdraw money from a Methodist Church account, the jerk. That is a story for another day.

Ya got me going -here--just "who" was that reg? I just want a name--tell your story at your convenience -but - I just gotta know---who was that reg?

 

[Zinjifar]

Obviously a *good* one

Zinj

 

[programmer_guy]

I only caught the first couple pages of this thread, so I'll just go off Emma's original.

It would really have to come down to a common denominator of all the past-$cn, declared, anti-, etc, people.

I haven't done nearly enough searching to have any accurate idea what that would be, but based on the posts and sites I've seen, An EX-$cn would have something to do with 'people who are distressed or dissatisfied with the negative effects of $cn' as the broad definition IMO, and then 'past-members who are distressed or dissatisfied with the negative effects of $cn' as a narrower definition.

Even though I know many here have not been part of c0$, because I have been, I consider myself in the latter definition and the people I want to communicate to are mainly those IN $cn who might leave because that's what I did.

It is a tough one though

HAB

I don't think that it is "tough" at all.

For example, just consider what an ex-Christian would mean. Would this mean that they are a Protestant now (i.e. no longer Roman Catholic)? I don't think so.

 

[Winston Smith]

Jeff Cronin

Ya got me going -here--just "who" was that reg? I just want a name--tell your story at your convenience -but - I just gotta know---who was that reg?

And here is the kicker...he went in his "Catholic" get up, and the receptionist at the United Methodist Church of Virginia gave him the evil eye. You see, my dad was a Methodist minister, and there was a savings account with the church, set up for me when he died. I have never really felt good about that.

 

[uncle sam]

And here is the kicker...he went in his "Catholic" get up, and the receptionist at the United Methodist Church of Virginia gave him the evil eye. You see, my dad was a Methodist minister, and there was a savings account with the church, set up for me when he died. I have never really felt good about that.

Ya---are avoiding the answer--I'm sure you have good reasons. But-pretty please--name that reg.

 

[uncle sam]

Oh--excuse me!!!

And here is the kicker...he went in his "Catholic" get up, and the receptionist at the United Methodist Church of Virginia gave him the evil eye. You see, my dad was a Methodist minister, and there was a savings account with the church, set up for me when he died. I have never really felt good about that.

My mistake-- you did-- and thank you for that!!!! What is so very funny-is that "Catholic" get up was being worn by a very Jewish guy,,,, also what is so very funny - at least to me--is that reg was the softest marshmallow we had among all of fcdc reges--- he actually made friends with his clients and hated to do any hard selling.