Mike Goldstein
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Very good, and thank you for clarifying your position. I suppose the best thing for me to do now is to quit talking. As you know, I can be rather verbose. Thanks for listening.
Mike
What is Idenics?
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Very good, and thank you for clarifying your position. I suppose the best thing for me to do now is to quit talking. As you know, I can be rather verbose. Thanks for listening.
Mike
Colleen K. Peltomaa
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Taken from the "Guestbook", by "Happy Camper":
"This morning I had an Idenics session with Mike Goldstein.
Before I tell you about it, let me assure you I am no freezoner. I've been out of the church for over 6 years and have not since sought out any type of spiritual counselling. I'm tolerant of people's choices regarding the FZ and independents, but it's not been something I've looked to for help.
Recently certain things in my life haven't been going that well and it came to a head this week. I was desperate to stop this incessant grief that was taking it's toll. Having heard nothing but good reports about Mike and his technology I decided to give him a call.
Right from the first second I talked to him I felt reassured. There was no pushiness, just a genuine desire to help me. I briefly told him what was going on with me and we scheduled a time for the session a day or two later.
I was nervous, excited and a bit scared before the session. In my 9 years in Scientology my wins in session had been few & far between. I had previously found it very hard to be "in session", especially as most of my auditing was sec checks and ruds, it was always a struggle. The results of any auditing I'd had always seemed to be punishment of some sort. Yes I'd had gains by getting off withholds etc, but they were always negated by the shame felt in ethics when it came time for conditions. I swore that I'd never put myself through that again.
So the time came for me to make the call and I held my breath & dialled. Mike answered and within minutes we were under way. This in itself was so very refreshing. In Scn I had gotten used to the steeplechase of hurdles and hoops you had to jump through just to get in session. The endless ruds, metab tests, can squeezes, word clearing, set ups, D of Ps, ethics handlings, security clearances, C/Sing hold ups, PTS handlings etc etc. There was none of this.
Mike is everything an auditor should be. He is calm, caring, understanding, gentle, maintains great control without any stress and knows what he is doing. For the first time in my life I was IN SESSION!! aaaand, it was over the phone!! How did this happen?
Firstly, and this is just from my viewpoint, I was completely willing because I felt comfortable. Secondly there was no mucking around. There was an unwanted condition that I wanted addressed and that was ALL we did. Nothing else, no Q & A, no farting around. The questions all hit me in just the right place and I found answers. I felt that charge being pulled in and being released, being pulled in again and being released etc. Something that I'd READ about in Scn as a phenomenon that was "supposed" to occur, but it was totally new to me to actually experience it.
In that session I addressed a debilitating condition that has been a part of me for my whole life. It dominated my existence. It's how I coped with life, but it was also very damaging to me.
At the end of the session I felt very different. We ended up running a havingness process (I'm not sure if that's what it's called in Idenics but that's the only thing I know to call it at this stage) at the end of the session. Previously I hated havingness processes. I found them boring and a waste of time. Well! Let me tell you, I not only needed it, I loved it and I could feel it working. I'd given up a big chunk of crap and needed something to replace it.
After I hung up I felt very different. I thought that someone had turned the sound down on the world because everything was so quiet. Then I realised it was my head that was quiet. So much noise had gone.
That night I went to bed and laid down ready for the onslaught of thoughts and anxieties that fill my mind the moment my head hits the pillow. Again it was very quiet in there. I wondered if I was "doing this" myself because I "wanted" the auditing to have worked. But then I realised that I've been trying to calm my mind for a loooong time by myself without any success and tonight there was no effort. Something had definitely changed.
Now before you think I've gotten carried and I'm saying that I've handled a life worth of problems in 90 minutes, I'm not. I addressed a certain condition that may or may not be permanently gone. It's too early to say. All I can do is say what has occured so far and how wonderful it is to have this peace.
I can honestly say that I gained (or lost, depending on how you view it) more in a 90 minute phone conversation with Mike than I did in 9 years of Scientology. I now know what it's like to be in session, blow real charge, and experience real gain. And guess what it cost me? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. It was a free introductory session to test the waters. I can't imagine what might be possible with some ongoing processing. I've made a list of unwanted conditions and I want to address them all!!!
Lastly, I want to tell you that this is NOT a solicited success story. It wasn't asked for or expected, but I was so amazed by what I experienced I wanted to write it up for myself and also to let Mike know.
Thanks again Mike. You are amazing."
"This morning I had an Idenics session with Mike Goldstein.
Before I tell you about it, let me assure you I am no freezoner. I've been out of the church for over 6 years and have not since sought out any type of spiritual counselling. I'm tolerant of people's choices regarding the FZ and independents, but it's not been something I've looked to for help.
Recently certain things in my life haven't been going that well and it came to a head this week. I was desperate to stop this incessant grief that was taking it's toll. Having heard nothing but good reports about Mike and his technology I decided to give him a call.
Right from the first second I talked to him I felt reassured. There was no pushiness, just a genuine desire to help me. I briefly told him what was going on with me and we scheduled a time for the session a day or two later.
I was nervous, excited and a bit scared before the session. In my 9 years in Scientology my wins in session had been few & far between. I had previously found it very hard to be "in session", especially as most of my auditing was sec checks and ruds, it was always a struggle. The results of any auditing I'd had always seemed to be punishment of some sort. Yes I'd had gains by getting off withholds etc, but they were always negated by the shame felt in ethics when it came time for conditions. I swore that I'd never put myself through that again.
So the time came for me to make the call and I held my breath & dialled. Mike answered and within minutes we were under way. This in itself was so very refreshing. In Scn I had gotten used to the steeplechase of hurdles and hoops you had to jump through just to get in session. The endless ruds, metab tests, can squeezes, word clearing, set ups, D of Ps, ethics handlings, security clearances, C/Sing hold ups, PTS handlings etc etc. There was none of this.
Mike is everything an auditor should be. He is calm, caring, understanding, gentle, maintains great control without any stress and knows what he is doing. For the first time in my life I was IN SESSION!! aaaand, it was over the phone!! How did this happen?
Firstly, and this is just from my viewpoint, I was completely willing because I felt comfortable. Secondly there was no mucking around. There was an unwanted condition that I wanted addressed and that was ALL we did. Nothing else, no Q & A, no farting around. The questions all hit me in just the right place and I found answers. I felt that charge being pulled in and being released, being pulled in again and being released etc. Something that I'd READ about in Scn as a phenomenon that was "supposed" to occur, but it was totally new to me to actually experience it.
In that session I addressed a debilitating condition that has been a part of me for my whole life. It dominated my existence. It's how I coped with life, but it was also very damaging to me.
At the end of the session I felt very different. We ended up running a havingness process (I'm not sure if that's what it's called in Idenics but that's the only thing I know to call it at this stage) at the end of the session. Previously I hated havingness processes. I found them boring and a waste of time. Well! Let me tell you, I not only needed it, I loved it and I could feel it working. I'd given up a big chunk of crap and needed something to replace it.
After I hung up I felt very different. I thought that someone had turned the sound down on the world because everything was so quiet. Then I realised it was my head that was quiet. So much noise had gone.
That night I went to bed and laid down ready for the onslaught of thoughts and anxieties that fill my mind the moment my head hits the pillow. Again it was very quiet in there. I wondered if I was "doing this" myself because I "wanted" the auditing to have worked. But then I realised that I've been trying to calm my mind for a loooong time by myself without any success and tonight there was no effort. Something had definitely changed.
Now before you think I've gotten carried and I'm saying that I've handled a life worth of problems in 90 minutes, I'm not. I addressed a certain condition that may or may not be permanently gone. It's too early to say. All I can do is say what has occured so far and how wonderful it is to have this peace.
I can honestly say that I gained (or lost, depending on how you view it) more in a 90 minute phone conversation with Mike than I did in 9 years of Scientology. I now know what it's like to be in session, blow real charge, and experience real gain. And guess what it cost me? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. It was a free introductory session to test the waters. I can't imagine what might be possible with some ongoing processing. I've made a list of unwanted conditions and I want to address them all!!!
Lastly, I want to tell you that this is NOT a solicited success story. It wasn't asked for or expected, but I was so amazed by what I experienced I wanted to write it up for myself and also to let Mike know.
Thanks again Mike. You are amazing."
Smitty
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Gnosis, thanks for posting the comment by Happy Camper. I have had profound wins from Idenics and am happy to see others are having big wins as well.
Smitty
Colleen K. Peltomaa
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Everyone I have referred to Mike is first of all very impressed with his beingness as a counsellor. No complaints about his auditing either.
On the other hand, I can't think of one person I referred to the CofS who did not have complaints.
It's so nice not to have to justify and make excuses for someone else's bad behavior. May I someday be able to say the same about me.
Colleen K. Peltomaa
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An Insight
Over the ages many absolutes about the way a person is have been thought up. For example, Ron said all abberration stems from pain and unconsciousness. We took that as an absolute.
The only "absolute" that has been mostly invalidated or not worked with in most therapies is that the pc (or client) knows the truth, already knows what is bogging his case. In other words, the answer is within you. Why do you need Ron or anyone else saying, "this is what it is like for you"?
From my viewpoint Idenics works only with that one absolute, and John Galusha discovered enough good or standard questions that with Idenics a person can be helped 95% of the time to see the answer to what is bothering him.
As with any practice, it is a skill and an art, the art of listening.
Over the ages many absolutes about the way a person is have been thought up. For example, Ron said all abberration stems from pain and unconsciousness. We took that as an absolute.
The only "absolute" that has been mostly invalidated or not worked with in most therapies is that the pc (or client) knows the truth, already knows what is bogging his case. In other words, the answer is within you. Why do you need Ron or anyone else saying, "this is what it is like for you"?
From my viewpoint Idenics works only with that one absolute, and John Galusha discovered enough good or standard questions that with Idenics a person can be helped 95% of the time to see the answer to what is bothering him.
As with any practice, it is a skill and an art, the art of listening.
I was recently contacted by someone wanting my opinion on Idenics. This is what I wrote;
It is very direct and I would highly recommend it particularly for some one who was heavily keyed in to something or if they have a deep issue that is haunting them, very good for addressing your ruin.
I recently put a dear friend (never had any sort of auditing before) on the phone with Mike and he handled the biggest chunk of case I've ever seen anyone handle in about 30 mins. The Church would not have touched this guy, illegal PC, currently on psych drug, he has cut his dose in half since.
I think many auditors would have hesitated if they knew what was going to come up. Believe me this guy had suffered some serious abuse.
All gone now.
He was readjusting his entire universe for weeks. I have been working with him on his issues and drug use (street) for nearly a year. He has also been clean since, 60 days now.
Some of my own personal experiences can be found elsewhere in this thread.
Pete
It is very direct and I would highly recommend it particularly for some one who was heavily keyed in to something or if they have a deep issue that is haunting them, very good for addressing your ruin.
I recently put a dear friend (never had any sort of auditing before) on the phone with Mike and he handled the biggest chunk of case I've ever seen anyone handle in about 30 mins. The Church would not have touched this guy, illegal PC, currently on psych drug, he has cut his dose in half since.
I think many auditors would have hesitated if they knew what was going to come up. Believe me this guy had suffered some serious abuse.
All gone now.
He was readjusting his entire universe for weeks. I have been working with him on his issues and drug use (street) for nearly a year. He has also been clean since, 60 days now.
Some of my own personal experiences can be found elsewhere in this thread.
Pete
nw2394
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Smitty
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Propagating gibberish
Hi Headend.
Nick habitually interjects non-sequitur garbage into threads. He seems compelled to comment on off-topic posts. Best to just ignore.
Smitty
Hi Headend.
Nick habitually interjects non-sequitur garbage into threads. He seems compelled to comment on off-topic posts. Best to just ignore.
Smitty
Smitty
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Pete,
Your example is more evidence that Idenics undercuts and supercedes scientology. The scientology solution would be to first screen him to see if:
1. He had the $24,000 you need to do the narconon program and
2. He would not pose a legal or public relations threat to narconon or the cofs.
Then he would spend several months on training routines, sauna, and objective processing.
I hope your friend continues his Idenics with Mike.
Regards,
Smitty
I was recently contacted by someone wanting my opinion on Idenics. This is what I wrote;
It is very direct and I would highly recommend it particularly for some one who was heavily keyed in to something or if they have a deep issue that is haunting them, very good for addressing your ruin.
I recently put a dear friend (never had any sort of auditing before) on the phone with Mike and he handled the biggest chunk of case I've ever seen anyone handle in about 30 mins. The Church would not have touched this guy, illegal PC, currently on psych drug, he has cut his dose in half since.
I think many auditors would have hesitated if they knew what was going to come up. Believe me this guy had suffered some serious abuse.
All gone now.
He was readjusting his entire universe for weeks. I have been working with him on his issues and drug use (street) for nearly a year. He has also been clean since, 60 days now.
Some of my own personal experiences can be found elsewhere in this thread.
Pete
Pete,
Your example is more evidence that Idenics undercuts and supercedes scientology. The scientology solution would be to first screen him to see if:
1. He had the $24,000 you need to do the narconon program and
2. He would not pose a legal or public relations threat to narconon or the cofs.
Then he would spend several months on training routines, sauna, and objective processing.
I hope your friend continues his Idenics with Mike.
Regards,
Smitty
nw2394
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It doesn't. If you bothered to click on the quoted post, you would see that it was a question about something that Alan said.
Nick
nw2394
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You apparently are short on your egolessness. Take the trouble to examine what you've commented on before making suggestions that show your own ignorance.
Nick
The idea is to continue in the New Year.
This guy has come so far in the last 12 months but what was handled with Mike has been a mill stone around his neck since early childhood. He carries psychical reminders & his abuser is a family member so it was continually there. He didn't like to be in this persons space mainly because he felt he could kill them if there was a confrontation. This was a very real possibility, I believed him. As the person is a family member he can now feel love for them. Now that is a real miracle.
With his history the Church would not have touched him even if he had the money. The money would have had them scurrying for a loophole or someway to not-is the truth but I doubt even the stats could justify it. I won't give anymore details but you can't imagine this guys history. I have shed a tear several times as he has told me certain things.
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Smitty
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I did take the trouble to examine your non-sequitur posts here, which advertise your egotistical compulsion to make ignorant comments on off-topic posts.
Smitty
Nick,
I did take the trouble to examine your non-sequitur posts here, which advertise your egotistical compulsion to make ignorant comments on off-topic posts.
Smitty
nw2394
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Moderator!!!!
Do we have to put up with this self appointed person pontificating about what can and can't be posted in this thread?
I asked a legitimate question of one of the posters in this thread, and Smitty apparently has to wet him/herself about it.
Nick
Are you requesting my assistance? Or just making a complaint?
Smitty
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Let's take a look at the value of the Idenics session compared to the narconon program in this particular case:
Let's say that the narconon program takes 33 days. That is 792 hours.
Let's assume the session took one hour. The Idenics session took about one tenth of a percent of the time of the narconon program. The Idenics session cost was about six tenths of a percent the cost of the narconon program.
Even if this result is atypical, the Idenics session was still a tremendous value compared to the narconon program in this case.
Smitty
Pete,
Let's take a look at the value of the Idenics session compared to the narconon program in this particular case:
Let's say that the narconon program takes 33 days. That is 792 hours.
Let's assume the session took one hour. The Idenics session took about one tenth of a percent of the time of the narconon program. The Idenics session cost was about six tenths of a percent the cost of the narconon program.
Even if this result is atypical, the Idenics session was still a tremendous value compared to the narconon program in this case.
Smitty
nw2394
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Frankly I am asking for assistance. I asked what I regard as a legitimate question, which has now been drowned out with comments from another member. If threads I was participating in get binned, why should I have to put up with nonsense when I am behaving myself?!?
I did think that, maybe, as it wasn't directly to do with Idenics as such, I should maybe put it in another thread. But if everyone did that we'd have a thread explosion. I thought about making it a PM to the original poster, but then I thought that maybe answer might be of general interest. So I did what others do on this and all sorts of other internet boards, simply hit the reply button.
To fix this, I shall probably end up having to make it a PM or a new thread simply to get the original posters attention. I don't, however, think that I should be put in this position.
Nick
I'm still unsure what it is you want me to do or what your specific complaint is.
Or are you just pissed at me for binning the catfight thread?
I don't have time to micro manage every thread in every forum.
I heavily rely on the maturity of the posters here to self police.
Or are you just pissed at me for binning the catfight thread?
I don't have time to micro manage every thread in every forum.
I heavily rely on the maturity of the posters here to self police.
nw2394
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