What is Idenics?

[Veda]

Going back a bit to answer this; yes.

The broad majority of people on earth have never heard of Scientology, and, of those who have, it's a minimal number who have any concept of it beyond some deliberately deflective 'PR' material.

Even for those mildly familiar with some of the elements of Scientology, it's not a foregone conclusion that they will recognize the often subtle manipulation.

It can be frustrating hearing otherwise knowledgable 'critics' dismiss things like the 'Scientology Code of Ethics' or 'Creed' or 'Auditor's Code' as mere 'feelgood eyewash', when, in truth, they actually contain quite revalatory 'hooks'.

Zinj

"Yes," there are exceptions. That's good to hear.

"Hooks"? "Revelatory hooks"?

Collecting and studying hooks of all kinds is one my hobbies, and I try to share what I know, yet there is just so much "hook knowledge" that can be expressed effectively at any one time.

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

BTs and CLs from Idenics Perspective

BTs and Clusters seen from the viewpoint of those who have had Idenics processing:

"Scenario #1 – What the client had previously believed to be entities were in fact identities. Attached to the major identities were insignificant or "locked" identities that disappeared when the major ones were handled. Since identities are not the individual, they can appear to the person to be separate beings.

On Scientology upper levels, people are educated with the existence, characteristics, and activity of entities. As explained in my previous write-ups concerning additives, the individual can fit their actual case into the explained framework regarding BTs and clusters. Auditing levels such as OT 3 or NOTs, the person thinks they are auditing BTs and clusters when in actuality, they are handling identities and locked identities.

Since, on these Scientology levels the identities are not being properly or fully addressed, they don't always get completely handled. This is why people spend so much time auditing on these levels, keep coming up with more entities to handle, and don't always resolve their unwanted conditions."

Nice discussion going here. Speaking of evaluation, the above quote could probably be best understood by someone who does have some education in Scientology.

Do you think I should put these two scenarios over in the OTIII threads?

 

[Veda]

Nice discussion going here. Speaking of evaluation, the above quote could probably be best understood by someone who does have some education in Scientology.

Do you think I should put these two scenarios over in the OTIII threads?

You may wish to check out what 'Metapsychology' has to say on the subject and, also, there is a chapter in 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?' titled 'Are you Haunted?' that examines - in a "balanced" way - many views in this area.

IMO, OT 3 is not primarily about "exorcism," but about an attempt, by Hubbard, to impose a subtle psychological overwhelm with the significance of the OT 3 story, that was - after all - the basis for, and justification for - the Sea Org, and Hubbard becoming the ultra-dictatorial "Commodore."

 

[MarkWI]

Use of Idenics

Mike,
Does Idenics successful handle cigarettes or drug addiction, or even criminality?
Do you have experiences with people with such problems?

Thanks.
Mark

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

You may wish to check out what 'Metapsychology' has to say on the subject and, also, there is a chapter in 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?' titled 'Are you Haunted?' that examines - in a "balanced" way - many views in this area.

IMO, OT 3 is not primarily about "exorcism," but about an attempt, by Hubbard, to impose a subtle psychological overwhelm with the significance of the OT 3 story, that was - after all - the basis for, and justification for - the Sea Org, and Hubbard becoming the ultra-dictatorial "Commodore."

One must not throw the baby out with the bathwater, the baby being any workable tech. I have one compartment for Hubbard and another compartment for Tech and yes they do interrelate to some extent, but the tech existed before Hubbard brought it back here.

Thank you for the reference to Metapsychology. Would you like to start a Metapsychology thread in "Independent Field"?

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Mike,
Does Idenics successful handle cigarettes or drug addiction, or even criminality?
Do you have experiences with people with such problems?

Thanks.
Mark

OH GOD YES!! No more Sec Checks, yippee! [I should ask Mike if it helps with addiction to shopping ]

Soberly though, call Mike and ask him to tell you the story of one "criminal" he audited.

The only "ethics" you must handle is whatever it takes to get you into session with Mike, that's it!

My "out-ethics" was that I gave all my money to CofS and now I'm broker than broke, and I'm putting those pennies aside for sessions for myself and my hubbie.

The first session is free so that you and Mike will both know if this is going to work for you. Mike says it works for 95% so dive in.

His phone number is 1-303-695-4940.

I hope I've helped to ease someone's pain today.

Long ago I audited a police officer during a Book 1 seminar. He had a mind-blowing session but he never came into the Org because of his crimes and he did not feel safe to talk about them with anyone. He kept calling me, he so wanted to get more auditing.

Ask Mike about confidentiality.

 

[Zinjifar]

Ask Mike about confidentiality.

If there is any; it's not 'Standard Tech'.

When you move off a point of power, pay all your obligations on the nail, empower your friends completely and move off with your pockets full of artillery, potential blackmail on every erstwhile rival, unlimited funds in your private account and the addresses of experienced assassins and go live in Bulgravia and bribe the police...

Zinj

 

[Mike Goldstein]

Mike,
Does Idenics successful handle cigarettes or drug addiction, or even criminality?
Do you have experiences with people with such problems?

Thanks.
Mark

Mark:
We have worked with people who suffered from alcoholism, drug addiction, and addiction to cigarettes, but these sort of conditions can be tricky as there is a physical dependency as well as the mental, emotional or spiritual aspects of this sort of condition. Historically, those who first got off of the substance, maybe using some other assistance e.g. AA or some drug rehab or quit smoking program, and THEN did Idenics processing to handle the non-physiological aspects connected with the addiction, got the best results. However, this is NOT to say that we wouldn't address these problems with someone who had not yet gotten off a substance but who wanted to. We have, and in some cases, those clients still had spectacular results. Actually, I am always willing to directly take up or address WHATEVER a client wants.
With regard to your question about criminality - an individual bringing up for handling some condition having to do with criminality, would have the same chances for resolution as with any unwanted condition e.g. low self-esteem, anger, lack of confidence, whatever. But this brings up an important point about personal unwanted conditions.
Even though many people use the same word to describe some personal unwanted condition, that condition is always different for each of those individuals. Furthermore, people are different and unique with no two of them responding alike, even in what appears to be identical circumstances. I therefore cannot make any guarantee of results to any client except to deliver the best service I can. I could have had 100 clients in a row get done what they wanted, but how would I know the next person coming in will get his desired results? However, we have had a 95% success rate over the past 20 years that we've been delivering Idenics.
Mike Goldstein

 

[Alanzo]

When you move off a point of power, pay all your obligations on the nail, empower your friends completely and move off with your pockets full of artillery, potential blackmail on every erstwhile rival, unlimited funds in your private account and the addresses of experienced assassins and go live in Bulgravia and bribe the police...

Zinj

My god...

Have you memorized that passage?

 

[Zinjifar]

My god...

Have you memorized that passage?

I'm a boring old fart with recurrent memory lapses, however, I'm also a 'pattern recognition machine' and am very good at that old game; 'concentration'.

Remember it? Where you have cards turned face down and look for 'matches'?

I don't necessarilly remember everything hidden under every 'rock' of Scientology, but, I'm pretty good at remembering *where* things are

And, finding appropriate 'matches'...

Zinj

 

[Alanzo]

I'm a boring old fart with recurrent memory lapses, however, I'm also a 'pattern recognition machine' and am very good at that old game; 'concentration'.

Remember it? Where you have cards turned face down and look for 'matches'?

I don't necessarilly remember everything hidden under every 'rock' of Scientology, but, I'm pretty good at remembering *where* things are

And, finding appropriate 'matches'...

Zinj

Wow, well, it's a good one to remember.

Can you remember the one about, "yes, tell them it's all just fantasy...until a few of the boys make it" from "A History of Man"?

That one used to be my favorite.

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

I am re-listening to the audio on the Idenics website, "Evolution of Idenics" and Mike shares a different (more evolved?) viewpoint of GPMs and Implants.

http://veterans.idenics.com/commons/evolution-of-idenics.htm

 

[Smitty]

Evolution of Idenics recording

I am re-listening to the audio on the Idenics website, "Evolution of Idenics" and Mike shares a different (more evolved?) viewpoint of GPMs and Implants.

http://veterans.idenics.com/commons/evolution-of-idenics.htm

Your comments would be interesting, Gnosis. Care to share them?
Regards,
Smitty

 

[richh]

idenics succes story

Well It's 5 hrs since my 1st session(60 minutes long) and I'm looking at things in a new light. First I noticed new lines on the leaves out my window that I look at 10 times every day. I wonder if my eyesight is improving? It wouldn't surprise me. The subject of our session was "procrastination".

Then ,I looked at several projects underfoot that I have been procrastinating on because I just didn't have "time" to do them. And started to get a little overwhelmed, then thought about our session and realized they are going to be a BREAZE. Guess I will have to find more stuff to do now. Oh well , there's a downside to everything.(ha)

Thanks Mike. Idenics is very very interesting. No registrar, no hardsell. Just validation of ME. I'm not used to it. Wow, this is really neat. Sincerely , richard heinz.

 

[Alanzo]

Well It's 5 hrs since my 1st session(60 minutes long) and I'm looking at things in a new light. First I noticed new lines on the leaves out my window that I look at 10 times every day. I wonder if my eyesight is improving? It wouldn't surprise me. The subject of our session was "procrastination".

Then ,I looked at several projects underfoot that I have been procrastinating on because I just didn't have "time" to do them. And started to get a little overwhelmed, then thought about our session and realized they are going to be a BREAZE. Guess I will have to find more stuff to do now. Oh well , there's a downside to everything.(ha)

Thanks Mike. Idenics is very very interesting. No registrar, no hardsell. Just validation of ME. I'm not used to it. Wow, this is really neat. Sincerely , richard heinz.

Hi Rich -

I wonder, did you get those projects done, or did you just feel better at the thought of getting those projects done?

 

[Vinaire]

Hi Rich -

I wonder, did you get those projects done, or did you just feel better at the thought of getting those projects done?

Very nice invalidation! Quite hypnotic... Well done. Alanzo.

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[Alanzo]

Very nice invalidation! Quite hypnotic... Well done. Alanzo.

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I've heard good things about Idenics.

I'm running it through various analytical tests. Is there something wrong with that?

LRH always said that results were the important thing, right?

When did the results of auditing become so delicate?

Why not put them to the test of pragmatic reality?

When did the illusions of the pc become so precious?

Did you get the product, in the physical universe, or not?

All auditing should be put to that test, shouldn't it?

If I'm wrong, tell me specifically why, and I will consider it.

Otherwise, testing things, questioning things, as LRH originally beseeched us to do, will be what I will continue to do.

And can you possibly put some hair gel on your head to keep it from poking me in the eye?

 

[Vinaire]

I've heard good things about Idenics.

I'm running it through various analytical tests. Is there something wrong with that?

LRH always said that results were the important thing, right?

When did the results of auditing become so delicate?

Why not put them to the test of pragmatic reality?

When did the illusions of the pc become so precious?

Did you get the product, in the physical universe, or not?

All auditing should be put to that test, shouldn't it?

If I'm wrong, tell me specifically why, and I will consider it.

Otherwise, testing things, questioning things, as LRH originally beseeched us to do, will be what I will continue to do.

And can you possibly put some hair gel on your head to keep it from poking me in the eye?

You are a genius, Alanzo. Invalidating a success story is a great way of testing auditing results. This is a very hypnotic tactic.

You may apply to join RTC.

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[Alan]

You are a genius, Alanzo. Invalidating a success story is a great way of testing auditing results. This is a very hypnotic tactic.

You may apply to join RTC.

Prior to the examiner line coming into existence in Oct 1968 - and thus began the era of a lot of fake wins - it was standard to check in life that the pc had actually produce those wins in life.

If that was not the case the pc would be taken back in until the result was gotten in life.

Session wins are okay - but they should produce life wins.

Example: PC had trouble in selling and holding a position.

PC had session win: I ran out a lot of confusions and upsets in relation to selling.

A few days later:

Life Success Story:

My recent work has come to fruition - in that yesterday there was $197,000+ for my pay in one day!

My trips down to the ranch really helps me to play a bigger game, holding my position, and be more confident. I'm looking forward to doing more work down there at the ranch.

Love,

Amy

 

[richh]

Hi Rich -

I wonder, did you get those projects done, or did you just feel better at the thought of getting those projects done?

Alanzo, why don't you call me. 813 902 3637