Maybe we can't. But if I would claim "Hubbard believed in prayer" or "Hubbard believed in god" then someone would have the fullest right to ask me for proof.OK, well it's in that tape and elsewhere. I do not have those, but let's set those aside for the moment.
Is there evidence that he was not an athiest?
Can we say that L Ron Hubbard believed in God?
No it isn't. Because you could replace "god" with "spaghetti monster" and it would read "And that no agency less than the spaghetti monster has the power to suspend or set aside these rights, overtly or covertly."For instance, is the Creed of the Church of Scientology, where there is a reference to "no agency less than God can set aside these rights" is this reference evidence that LRH believed in God?
However one of the next sentences reads: "And we of the Church believe that the laws of God forbid man: To destroy his own kind; To destroy the sanity of another; To destroy or enslave another’s soul; To destroy or reduce the survival of one’s companions or one’s group."
There I cannot substitute "god" with "spaghetti monster".
Hubbard is said to have believed in "Empress". This doesn't make him pray to the Christian god of course, but maybe makes hime a theist.
This is a wrong conclusion. It would merely show that Hubbard's definition of god differs from the Christian definition of god. Wouldn't astonish me a bit. Nowhere does Hubbard say that "god" is a person (= personal god).And since the 8th dynamic is the URGE of the INDIVIDUAL to exist as God or the Supreme Being, and then later re-written to be "the allness of all" (was that an urge still?), then the presence of the 8th dynamic in LRH's writings is not proof that LRH believed in God, or that Scientology even recognizes that God exists.
I didn't find such a quote on the Study tapes.In the study tapes when he says "there is no big thetan", and that "prayers are going up to a myth" - is this evidence that he is an athiest, or that he believed in God?
Pure speculation. It's very nice of LRH not to describe god. You know exactly that people already rave against LRH's description of Xenu (= giving the PC false items, evaluating for the PC, Auditors' Code break etc etc).Let's take the what's missing and look at that: If you were the founder of a religion, and you believed in God, don't you think you would have mentioned God more than LRH did?
Don't you think Jesus should have written an essay on past lives and actual processes to experience god? After all it's a religion, right?Don't you think you would have written something on God - like an essay devoted to the subject - since Scientology is a religion, right?
I must have missed that. So if you find it you can PM me or answer in this thread. I will be very grateful.That BC tape was the first time I had ever heard him come right out and deny the existence of God. If I recall correctly, it was within the context of his "research" where he had determined that "we are not all one".
Please!But again, I do not expect you to believe me. I will continue on my search to find that tape. And when I do, I will rub it in everyone's face on the Internet who has ever doubted that I heard it.