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freethinker

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HH is a big boy, and he knows he's welcome any time. I think you are all mad at me for allowing the devil's spawn back on. But you can't say you're mad at me. But actually you can.
I'm not mad at you for letting him back on, surprised, but not mad. I thought the one that took the most from him was you, and thaat is why I was surprised.

I will admit that for a brief period I thought you let him on to blow up the board, you know, dracarys and all that.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Everyone has self-interests that drive their positions on any issue and those self-interests are different for everyone. We form groups based on the majority of commonality. The Constitution calls this Freedom of Association. You can't have freedom of association without freedom to not associate. I do not see the Democrat or the Republican parties letting people join their caucuses who are antithetical to their party platforms.
ESMB as a political party.

That's a unique proposal!


I have never been on Alanzo's Blog and don't intend to but dollars to donuts if I went there and started bad rapping him and everyone there for Being Tribalist and blindly biased and not really having sensible opinions based on their experiences I suspect that there would be some kind of Communication Control put into effect on me and it would probably be very appropriate because at some point being missioned to reeducate people in their own home isn't discussion it is being inconsiderate.
You've never been to my blog but you already know what would happen?

How do you know what would happen if you've never been to my blog?

People aren't perfect. We expect that people we admire and respect have done things or do things that we may not agree with but we make our allegiances on the net worth that we recognize. It is a valid argument to point out their inconsistencies but again at some point you are telling people that this balancing of the scales that they have done to confirm their allegiance regardless of the negatives is misguided Tribalism and invalid bias.
Or mere trolling.

Another word for this is politics. By trying to portray these people as Leaders you denigrate our own ability to make our own choices.
Then stop all this rah rah cheerleading and prove that you have the moral courage to think for yourself: Apply pointed questioning and critical thinking publicly to the statements of Mike Rinder, Karen De La Carriere, Tony Ortega, et al - just like you do to me.

We may support each person for different reasons and we may not support them for other reasons. We may not even consider them as Leaders but then again our failure to recognize or acknowledge that they are our leaders is defined as blind following and more signs of Tribal bias.
This whole well-written essay of yours is a pitch to make ESMB into something similar to a political party. By definition, political parties have monolithic views and are tribal. Aren't you tacitly proposing blocking people from membership on ESMB if their views do not conform to what you see as the monolithic views of ESMB?

For people who need a fixed target to destroy to win their argument it is important that there be "Leaders". This is like telling us we are incapable of thinking that doesn't require the reeducation that only the self-anointed definers of Tribes and bias can provide.
Human beings are a tribal species. Not understanding this fundamental aspect of being human is what stuck you, and me, in Scientology for so long.

And this also stuck me in the self-destructive beliefs of anti-scientology for way too long, too.

If you are so capable of thinking for yourself, as I'm pretty sure you are, why are you playing Debbie Wassermann Schultz here and trying to make ESMB into something kin to a monolithic political party, locking out all dissent? If you are so capable of thinking for yourself, and so is every one else on ESMB, shouldn't you welcome dissent without degrading it as some kind of threatening Marxist insurgency?

Or mere trolling, as others here are?

If your ideas win out, then they should be the best ones, right?
 
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freethinker

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Here's my write up from a few years ago, before I knew more of the story.

Back then I called her "Indy OSA". A few weeks earlier Marty had admitted he was paid by Karen. And then Karen admitted she paid him. Because this connected a whole bunch of dots about what I'd been watching for years, I wrote this post about those revelations. I didn't know anything else about anything at that time.

Did Indy OSA Just Screw the Pooch? Marty Rathbun and Karen De La Carriere
Great, you now have a ball of connected dots, what do you do with them now?
 

freethinker

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Yeah, I've seen those types for real! :ohmy:

I like this definition for Concern Troll:

Concern trolling is a form of Internet trolling in which someone enters a discussion with claims that he or she supports the view of the discussion, but has concerns. In fact, the concern troll is opposed to the view of the discussion, and he or she uses concern trolling to sow doubt and dissent in the community of commenters or posters. <snip>
Full Definition: https://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-concern-trolling.htm
Should also be called gun control troll.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
that's it, just figure shit out so you can run to the message board and shout, I figured this shit out!
uhhm.

Yeah.

When did Anti-Scientology move away from that?

Is that verboten now?

Human beings figure things out from multiple viewpoints. This is basic to what makes us the the most Badass Apex Predators on the planet, so far.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
what's off topic?
A topic on the definition of trolling ending up with you saying shit like:

It has no point, you can't do a lot with figured it out because the dots were there and all it takes is for someone to say, wrong dots.
and

Should also be called gun control troll.
and

No, you are on intrigue.
But hey - I'm good. This isn't considered 'trolling' on ESMB.

As long as ESMB is down with all this off-topic bullshit of yours, I can roll with it.

I'll just call it "off-topic bullshit".

I won't call it trolling.
 

freethinker

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A topic on the definition of trolling ending up with you saying shit like:


and


and


But hey - I'm good. This isn't considered 'trolling' on ESMB.

As long as ESMB is down with all this off-topic bullshit of yours, I can roll with it.

I'll just call it "off-topic bullshit".

I won't call it trolling.
Oh, you should call a mod right away.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I remember it. She had a website. It had flashing American flags and pulsating headlines that said things like "Support Our Troops".

The whole thing confused me. She was still in the church then, though as a public. I wasn't sure what she was doing and why. To my knowledge, she wasn't even technically American.

One of the interesting things I remember about Karen. When she left staff, from what I recall, she went into Real Estate. From what I remember, she did incredibly. She actually paid off her freeloader debt. Do you have any idea what the freeloader debt of a Class XII auditor who had been on staff for decades would be? As misguided as doing it was, the fact that she had the ability to make the money to do that impressed the shit out of me.

Like I said. Karen is unique in a lot of ways, but I don't think that's a bad thing. She really is a Type A personality who works her ass off, and I have to admire that.
When you consider the idea that she was trying to attract vendors on high security projects with the defense dept who might search her on the Internet before they 'socialized' with her, it makes more sense.
 

Veda

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-snip-

Human beings are a tribal species.

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Human beings are first and foremost individuals. Individuality is the ultimate variable.

Human beings - except for the most backward - are not "tribal."

They have families, friends, groups, nations, and a sense of all humankind.

Where did you get this demeaning notion of humans as "tribal"?
 

Emma

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Human beings are first and foremost individuals. Individuality is the ultimate variable.

Human beings - except for the most backward - are not "tribal."

They have families, friends, groups, nations, and a sense of all humankind.

Where did you get this demeaning notion of humans as "tribal"?
Gotta disagree here. Humans being are inherently tribal. Man cannot survive alone.

Do a google search on it. The recognition of humans being tribal is shown to be everywhere. It's not shameful, it's how we survived all through time. A group gives you shared shelter, shared gathering & hunting of food, shared responsibility of child rearing, a group with shared nationalism or blood in times of war. Of course there is individuality amongst members of a tribe, but the greater pull is the group, because man cannot survive alone.

In the hunter gatherer days, if you were cast out of your tribe it meant certain death, unless you found a new tribe. The urge toward survival trumps individualism.

If a man wants to become a politician he has to align himself with a group, even if he doesn't really share the groups ideas i.e Bernie Sanders and the Democrats, Donald Trump and the Republicans. When was the last time an independent became President?
 
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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Human beings are first and foremost individuals. Individuality is the ultimate variable.

Human beings - except for the most backward - are not "tribal."

They have families, friends, groups, nations, and a sense of all humankind.

Where did you get this demeaning notion of humans as "tribal"?
That's a great question. Thanks for asking it.

For your full answer, start here:

 
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