What is up with Ron being the Buddah?

[Tiger Lily]

This is THE Mettaya (Meitreya) prophecy. I actually don't know if there is ANY OTHER (except maybe from some tiny sects).

You can google "Maitreyavyakarana"? Or "Maitreya prophecy"

Also check Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya
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Maitreya's coming is characterized by a number of physical events. The oceans are predicted to decrease in size, allowing Maitreya to traverse them freely.

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You can also start at

http://web.singnet.com.sg/~alankhoo/Maitreya.htm
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Maitreya, the best of men, will then leave the Tushita heavens, and go for his last rebirth into the womb of that woman. For ten whole months she will carry about his radiant body. Then she will go to a grove full of beautiful flowers, and there, neither seated nor lying down, but standing up, holding on to the branch of a tree, she will give birth to Maitreya. He, supreme among men, will emerge from her right side, as the sun shines forth when it has prevailed over a bank of clouds. No more polluted by the impurities of the womb than a lotus by drops of water, he will fill this entire Triple world with his splendour. As soon as he is born he will walk seven steps forward, and where he puts down his feet a jewel or a lotus will spring up. He will raise his eyes to the ten directions, and will speak these words: "This is my last birth. There will be no more rebirth after this one. Never will I come back here, but, all pure, I shall win Nirvana!"
And when his father sees that his son has the thirty-two Marks of a Superman​

The 32 marks including the penis (#10) are described at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha

Good research Knn -- thanks
TL

 

[byte301]

"3. He will have read hair."

Orly?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Man, they sure were perfectionists. LRH would need a personal image consultant.

 

[clamicide]

ugh

This whole thing always pissed me off. Staff were running around about how glorious it was that this prophecy had been fulfilled. I timidly brought up a few times...uh, isn't Ron fulfilling a version of a prophecy that HE wrote?!?! People looked at me like I had two heads.

Years later when the cds came out, we had a staff briefing on the whole declaration of the prophecy fulfillment being recognised by 'the largest Buddhist sect', as we were told. I seriously wondered how the hell this was being pulled off. Our ED and someone in Div 6 then went to all the local Buddhist temples to present the book and cds and share this 'great news'. The audacity of walking into another religious institution and telling them "hey! It's time to convert--your guy is with us now--you've got the OLD version..." It still makes me queasy just thinking about it.

 

[Tiger Lily]

This whole thing always pissed me off. Staff were running around about how glorious it was that this prophecy had been fulfilled. I timidly brought up a few times...uh, isn't Ron fulfilling a version of a prophecy that HE wrote?!?! People looked at me like I had two heads.

Years later when the cds came out, we had a staff briefing on the whole declaration of the prophecy fulfillment being recognised by 'the largest Buddhist sect', as we were told. I seriously wondered how the hell this was being pulled off. Our ED and someone in Div 6 then went to all the local Buddhist temples to present the book and cds and share this 'great news'. The audacity of walking into another religious institution and telling them "hey! It's time to convert--your guy is with us now--you've got the OLD version..." It still makes me queasy just thinking about it.

Maybe the CofS figured that out finally -- all forms of that "poem" are out of print and not even acknowledged by Bridge. I remieber thinking the same thing. . . . and I remember all kinds of people (when the CD's came out) cogging that they were with Buddha way back when. . . it was quite a frenzy!

-TL

 

[Mark A. Baker]

"3. He will have read hair."

Orly?

Most descriptions of Maitreya suggest black hair. That is reasonable given the Southern Asia origins of the myth.

Many depictions of Maitreya, and other bohisattvas, often show him with "flames about the head". This Hubbard chose to interpret as indicating red hair. More commonly in buddhist iconography it reflects the light of illumination that surrounds buddhas, bodhisattvas, and other holy beings.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Tiger Lily]

Most descriptions of Maitreya suggest black hair. That is reasonable given the Southern Asia origins of the myth.

Many depictions of Maitreya, and other bohisattvas, often show him with "flames about the head". This Hubbard chose to interpret as indicating red hair. More commonly in buddhist iconography it reflects the light of illumination that surrounds buddhas, bodhisattvas, and other holy beings.


Mark A. Baker

Thanks Mark -- I could not figure out where that "red hair" interpretation came from!! Now it fits. . . so do you know why they think that Maitreya would appear in the West?

Most propehcies I see say they don't expect him until Buddhist teachings have disappeared from the Earth. . . . which is not the case now.

-TL

 

[Telepathetic]

So let me get this straight,you mean there was no "red hair" prophecy? :wink2:

Boy,did I try to handle myself on this bullshit storyWhen I was in the cult I felt very quilty for not believing itlike others did. Oh well, another lie



TP

 

[Zinjifar]

'In the Age of Revelation the Buddha will appear in the West as a frog-faced man of girth and odor, red of hair, drunken of bearing and declaiming teachings of vapor and drang. Some will call him nookular fizzycyst, some will call him sores, all will shudder at his pronunciation of GaLAXy. Mayetra shall proclaim the science of the new revelation of Universal Ronhood while destroying as Shiva the fortunes and illusory relationships of all who worship Him'.

After all; Since Ron made up His own prophesies, why not get it *right*?

Zinj

 

[knn]

So let me get this straight,you mean there was no "red hair" prophecy?

There _is_ a "red hair prophecy". In the book "Hymn of Asia". Outside of it noone has heard of it.

Hymn Of Asia: "The most specific wording of this prediction in Buddhist literature states that 2,500 years after Buddha a red-haired or golden-haired man would arise in the West to complete the job Buddha began."
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In WHAT literature does it say the above?

Hymn Of Asia: "There are two descriptions of Metteya in the Pali Canon, the earliest Buddhist scriptures. These references are found in a portion of the Canon known as the Digha Nikaya."
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I am no expert in the Digha Nikaya, so check for yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digha_Nikaya

 

[Tiger Lily]

'In the Age of Revelation the Buddha will appear in the West as a frog-faced man of girth and odor, red of hair, drunken of bearing and declaiming teachings of vapor and drang. Some will call him nookular fizzycyst, some will call him sores, all will shudder at his pronunciation of GaLAXy. Mayetra shall proclaim the science of the new revelation of Universal Ronhood while destroying as Shiva the fortunes and illusory relationships of all who worship Him'.

After all; Since Ron made up His own prophesies, why not get it *right*?

Zinj

That was a good one Zinj!

TL

 

[knn]

From http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/metteya/arimet04.htm

In the discourse with which we began, the Buddha goes on to describe how morality among human beings grows stronger and stronger. As a result, their life span grows longer until it reaches eighty thousand years, and at that time, Buddha Metteyya will come. Ashin Buddhaghosa explains that the life span increases to an incalculable number of years (Asankheyya) and then begins to decrease again until it reaches 80,000 years, for Buddhas arise only when the life span is decreasing. A tradition in Burma says that Buddha Metteyya will live for 80,000 years and that the human life span will be 100,000 years, just as Buddha Gotama lived for eighty years when the human life span was one hundred years. No definite number of years is given for the period between Buddha Gotama and Buddha Metteyya. The Anagatavamsa (verse 5) says Buddha Metteyya will arise ten million years later (vassa-kotiye), but the commentary says this means after many hundreds of thousands times ten million years.
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Damn, there you have it.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Why the BIG difference between the ascetics and the jolly life-loving Buddhas. Is there a significance for the roley poley physique?

 

[degraded being]

Why the BIG difference between the ascetics and the jolly life-loving Buddhas. Is there a significance for the roley poley physique?

Not 100% sure of this but Roley Poleyness could have signified abundance in countries where ordinary folk were too poor and hard working to ever become roley poley themselves.
"Serious" Buddhists (monks etc) may not have used that type of image but the image may have been a sort of good luck, hope for prosperity thing with the general populace.
Just my speculations.

 

[degraded being]

Not 100% sure of this but Roley Poleyness could have signified abundance in countries where ordinary folk were too poor and hard working to ever become roley poley themselves.
"Serious" Buddhists (monks etc) may not have used that type of image but the image may have been a sort of good luck, hope for prosperity thing with the general populace.
Just my speculations.

Well, not quite right>

Finally, Cori's question: The fat, laughing guy isn't the capital-B Buddha but a lesser buddha called Hotei (or Miroku or Miluo or Budai or Putai, depending on language). The model for Hotei was (probably) a cheerful, overweight Chinese zen monk or healer who wandered the countryside helping people circa 950 AD. In Asia the belly is one's spiritual center and source of power, so rubbing the laughing buddha's belly brings good luck, and is as close to achieving buddha nature as most of us will get.

— Cecil Adams

 

[Pepin]

It was a common thought before the 90's and yes..... I believe it to be true.

Before I arrived at Scientology, I looked at what my old aquaintance the Roman did after...
I saw a very large man walking the Himalayas.
He wanted to prove his own control over life. He went 500 years to the past to be born.

Over at ESK Tru2form started a thread about Hubbard being the BUddah incarnate. She says she was about 14 or 15 when she heard this, I was anywhere from 11-14 when I heard it so that would make this time period about 1993-1996. Was there some big ta do about some representatives from the Buddhist community comming over to formally recognize scientology with a ceremony or something? And then it was never heard again and just accepted as fact? Any one have SCN publications from that time discussing such?

I do know about "the Hymn of Asia" penned by LRH in 1955, but does anyone recall this era of Scientology Bull Shit?

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

This whole thing always pissed me off. Staff were running around about how glorious it was that this prophecy had been fulfilled. I timidly brought up a few times...uh, isn't Ron fulfilling a version of a prophecy that HE wrote?!?! People looked at me like I had two heads.

Years later when the cds came out, we had a staff briefing on the whole declaration of the prophecy fulfillment being recognised by 'the largest Buddhist sect', as we were told. I seriously wondered how the hell this was being pulled off. Our ED and someone in Div 6 then went to all the local Buddhist temples to present the book and cds and share this 'great news'. The audacity of walking into another religious institution and telling them "hey! It's time to convert--your guy is with us now--you've got the OLD version..." It still makes me queasy just thinking about it.

This was actually the first major clue for me that Hubbard and CoS was a fraud. But I didn't react until years later.. - I doubted the prophesy about a lardass in the west with red hair. I did some amaterurish and halfassed attempts at finding this in books about Buddism.. No dice..

Hmm.. Hubbard most certainly considered the peacefulness of buddism and buddists when he made this outrageous lie.

Just think of the possible consequences, had he claimed to be Mohamet!

 

[Voltaire's Child]

That was a good one Zinj!

TL

Not really. Back when Hubbard still had red hair and hadn't gone grey he wasn't all that heavyset.

 

[Mystic]

What's Up?

There is no "up" with Ron having been Buddha, only downs, multiple downs, fakes, pretense, assumptive egobloat, or, to use a world-wide term, BULLSHIT. The highest "cause" level ever achieved by HubFart is: Hallucinatory Cause. I do not say this as a putdown, but rather a direct observation of fact. (Mystics often see the unseen.)

 

[sandygirl]

Quote from Clamicide:

Years later when the cds came out, we had a staff briefing on the whole declaration of the prophecy fulfillment being recognised by 'the largest Buddhist sect', as we were told. I seriously wondered how the hell this was being pulled off. Our ED and someone in Div 6 then went to all the local Buddhist temples to present the book and cds and share this 'great news'. The audacity of walking into another religious institution and telling them "hey! It's time to convert--your guy is with us now--you've got the OLD version..." It still makes me queasy just thinking about it.

Yes I totally agree with you. Nauseating in the extreme. I do remember the event where this was announced. Supposidly, LRH had a "secret" message for the Monks and when David Miscavage gave them this message they flocked to flag. I swear I remember seeing footage of this. I also had to buy the "new" version of the cd. I must have it here somewhere ........this should be good for a laugh.