No. "Victim" and "victimized" are YOUR words. Not mine.
I'm saying that sometimes people take aim at them and sometimes it gets ad hominem. And that whenever the recipient tries to defend him or herself, the whining and accusations of victimhood start. The only people painting FZers as victims are the ones criticizing them.
I'm sure you'll find it wasn't me who first used the "victim" label in this regard.
Otherwise, I see what you mean now, but beg to differ. I would suggest that when terms like "shoot the scientologist" or, more commonly, "bashing", is used by those defending FZ/Indies its a passive-agressive type response wherein the "attacker" is overtly labeled as violent while the "recipient" is covertly alluded to as having been "oppressed".
This tactic is itself a sneaky ad hom. I take your point that there is an element of ad hom in some of the critical comments,
although its usually of a humourous nature
and between people that have a long history of messaging together.
Overall, I do think there's an element of subtle manipulation from those playing the "underdog" and very often its a case of "the Scilon doth protest too much".
I also don't view continuing to post pro Scn postings as victimhood. It's just people posting their own opinions. They've been told by the admin that it's ok to do that.
Yep. The bitch deserved it. Out thar in her make up and short skirt.
Just because Mummy said they could play with the big kids doesn't mean their feelings won't get hurt.
Bottom line, if someone has stuff said to or about them, they can respond. It makes no difference if that person happens to practice Scn or doesn't. Expressing dismay if one type of person responds because they are that one type of person is a neither here nor there/straw man type thing.
So, in your mind, anyone who abuses a Scilon for posting Scilon nonsense in an Ex-Scilon message board is a rapist? Reductio ad absurdum I think that's called.
By playing the "poor me" card, the Scilons do themselves no favours.
he opposite, in fact, yet they do it over and over and over again. It smacks of an agenda designed to reshape the behaviour of others.
Nothing wrong with that if its overt; attempting to change cultural norms is a valiant activity, I do it myself. But I'm not sneaky about it and I don't bawwww when I get stymied. I change tactics. And I would suggest going around calling people bigots and attempting to play on the sympathy of others is a tech FAIL.
The quandary faced by the Scilons here is the same faced by critics trying to release people from the cult, specifically: how do you let a person know they're thinking isn't right (in your opinion) when they're thinking isn't right?
Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result isn't the way to go about it.
Huh? Do you know what a strawman argument is?
Otherwise, yep, sure, respond as you wish. Bursting into tears and calling the alleged offender a bigot, or a basher, or a hate monger, or a rapist isn't that effective, though.
Do you even know what a value judgement is?
Oh, never mind.
Frankly, IMO, the combined effect of your how-to-win-friends-and-influence-people schmoozing :wink2::wink2::wink2:, and your faux elite intelligentsia associate Mark A. Baker's insincere erudition, each used, in some misguided way, to forward your beloved LRH/Xenu Bridge (while denying doing so) is downright deadening after a while.
Since, realistically, I can't do anything about it, I'm going to try to avoid you both.
I'm seeing a lot of suggestions from you as to what people have said, yet the dox ain't there. For example, you thought I was calling people rapists even though I typed no such thing and was making an analogy about an argument. I'm guessing that these other things people allegedly said also have a similarly suspect provenance. Though with some URLs provided, I can certainly be set straight on that.
I'm sorry, having a tough time assigning the label of victim.
There are real victims of scientology and a bunch of people disagreeing / insulting each other pales in comparison and actually distracts from real crimes/ real abuses.
Considering for like $12 and a couple of hours any one can set up a message board / blog I actually find the victim of message board discussions thing to be a farcical argument.
And not ONE of those ad hominators ever wants to own up to what they are doing. There's always an excuse.