What went on in the Cadet Org?

[Wisened One]

Jason Radstrom?

Was he the son or relative of one Ron Radstrom?

 

[Challenge]

I was non-Sea Org Class IV/V Org staff in the PAC area at the time to which you refer -- worked on renos of the hospital complex, etc., and please don't anyone try to tell me that people were "unaware" of conditions in the Cadet Org and SO childcare facilities (whatever they were called).

Any SO member with a child or who knew anyone with a child knew about this. Non-SO staff knew about this. PUBLIC knew about this. One of my close friends, a Public on lines doing auditor training and sometimes volunteering at our org, lived near the Big Blue Complex and was appalled by the situation regarding the SO kids, and tried to do something about it by creating a "safe space" in her apartment for some of these kids (the ones who were old enough to be running the streets, which would be later pre-teens and teenagers).

One boy she knew was surviving by selling sexual favors TO AN ADULT MALE SO MEMBER. A girl I came to know better later was simply abandoned to the L.A. streets when her mother joined the SO and the girl didn't follow. My friend opened her home to the kids, and wrote reports and wrote reports and the situation continued, RIGHT IN PLAIN SIGHT of all scientologists who were at the Big Blue Complex for any reason. It was so obvious that IMO anyone who claims they didn't know about has to have been deliberately looking the other way.

The situation was ignored, justified, people "looked the other way" and BLAMED THE CHILDREN for being "out ethics" or being "degraded beings."

I became pregnant during this time, and faced with the dilemma of how to continue on staff and care for my child (as a single parent -- the daddy had made it clear he had no interest and no help to offer) I was advised to join the Sea Org and put my child in the Cadet Org.

No thanks.

I left staff, paid my debt and stayed on lines for a little while afterward, then gradually drifted away completely. I am no longer a "scientologist," and my child (now a responsible and compassionated adult and parent full of zest for living) never was a scientologist.

Since that time I've known other "scientology kids" who were abandoned, neglected, and imo abused by their "scientology parents" and when these kids grew up and got into any kind of trouble (and many of them did -- petty crime, drugs, etc.) ALWAYS the CHILDREN were blamed, NEVER the irresponsible parent or the "church."

I don't really blame the "church" either -- I blame the irresponsible parents who chose the "church" and their own selfish need for "the Bridge" or their ambitions for "status" within the "church" over their children's well-being. Except for those who were born into it and knew no other way, the "church" after all is only a collection of individuals who chose to be there.

You see this same behavior in "wog" parents who are hooked on drugs or partying or are desperate to hold onto their fading youth or for whatever reason are just too self-absorbed to take up their responsibilities for the children they brought into the world.

Reading the stories of the children who were born into this madness and somehow, after all that insanity, found their way out is at the same time both heartbreaking and amazingly inspiring. I am awed by the stories of people like Bea Kiddo and others who were born into this cult. Such stories renew my faith in the human spirit and give me great hope for others who will find their way out. I grieve for those who were too damaged to make it through.

I really don't give a flying f what adults choose do to and with their own bodies or their own minds -- follow any path of "salvation" that helps you or amuses you, have a ball, whatever floats your boat.

But more than anything, what has turned me completely away from "scientology" in all its forms is seeing first hand the direct affect on children of its adherents. Even those children brought up in clean homes, with money, etc. have the "mind fuck" laid on them by parents who position themselves as "executives" rather than "parents" and dole out their "love" based on the child's "stats" and "conditions."

Subjecting children to this insanity is imo not much different than giving toddlers alcohol, marijuana or meth or using them as sexual toys and then saying "but they liked it, they wanted it."

One of those "scientology kids" grew up to be crazy David Miscavige who now runs the "church" while "the followers" still look the other way and congratulate themselves on their superiority over those who are "not yet" scientologists.

My rant for the day.

Olska, what you say is true. I was in the PAC area, as a "Public", and a Pro Scn'ist". I knew about it. My friend, Millie, and I sometimes went to that hellhole on Melrose and gotpermission to take some of the kids to a park. Someplace with grass. At Melrose, there was only concrete. I lived in a big house with my friend, her husband and 5 children. In addition to their 5, she had a few Scn children in residence with us. Ali and Justin were 2 that I knew well.
I audited some of the parents of the children at the CCLA Cadet Org. The parents were generally out-ruds on their kids. The kids that were about 10 and up were just loose and running the streets of Hollywood. They were into casual sex, sex for money, stealing, and drugs. It never entered the minds of these parents that their children were "acting out" because of feelings of abandonment, hopelessness, and boredom.
As a "public" I was/am as guilty as the next as far as putting Scn above the needs of my 2 kids. I justified it by thinking " They are in the finest schools that money can buy, and they are getting the finest education available". I would place them in Private schools while I did some Course or another service. I did and do not have the "normal" love for children that one is 'supposed to' have. As a result of that, one of them has told me that '"I am happier without you in my life", and has disconnected from me. That one is, of course, a Scn'ist.

Chlng

 

[Wisened One]

I was non-Sea Org Class IV/V Org staff in the PAC area at the time to which you refer -- worked on renos of the hospital complex, etc., and please don't anyone try to tell me that people were "unaware" of conditions in the Cadet Org and SO childcare facilities (whatever they were called).

Any SO member with a child or who knew anyone with a child knew about this. Non-SO staff knew about this. PUBLIC knew about this. One of my close friends, a Public on lines doing auditor training and sometimes volunteering at our org, lived near the Big Blue Complex and was appalled by the situation regarding the SO kids, and tried to do something about it by creating a "safe space" in her apartment for some of these kids (the ones who were old enough to be running the streets, which would be later pre-teens and teenagers).

One boy she knew was surviving by selling sexual favors TO AN ADULT MALE SO MEMBER. A girl I came to know better later was simply abandoned to the L.A. streets when her mother joined the SO and the girl didn't follow. My friend opened her home to the kids, and wrote reports and wrote reports and the situation continued, RIGHT IN PLAIN SIGHT of all scientologists who were at the Big Blue Complex for any reason. It was so obvious that IMO anyone who claims they didn't know about has to have been deliberately looking the other way.

The situation was ignored, justified, people "looked the other way" and BLAMED THE CHILDREN for being "out ethics" or being "degraded beings."

I became pregnant during this time, and faced with the dilemma of how to continue on staff and care for my child (as a single parent -- the daddy had made it clear he had no interest and no help to offer) I was advised to join the Sea Org and put my child in the Cadet Org.

No thanks.

I left staff, paid my debt and stayed on lines for a little while afterward, then gradually drifted away completely. I am no longer a "scientologist," and my child (now a responsible and compassionated adult and parent full of zest for living) never was a scientologist.

Since that time I've known other "scientology kids" who were abandoned, neglected, and imo abused by their "scientology parents" and when these kids grew up and got into any kind of trouble (and many of them did -- petty crime, drugs, etc.) ALWAYS the CHILDREN were blamed, NEVER the irresponsible parent or the "church."

I don't really blame the "church" either -- I blame the irresponsible parents who chose the "church" and their own selfish need for "the Bridge" or their ambitions for "status" within the "church" over their children's well-being. Except for those who were born into it and knew no other way, the "church" after all is only a collection of individuals who chose to be there.

You see this same behavior in "wog" parents who are hooked on drugs or partying or are desperate to hold onto their fading youth or for whatever reason are just too self-absorbed to take up their responsibilities for the children they brought into the world.

Reading the stories of the children who were born into this madness and somehow, after all that insanity, found their way out is at the same time both heartbreaking and amazingly inspiring. I am awed by the stories of people like Bea Kiddo and others who were born into this cult. Such stories renew my faith in the human spirit and give me great hope for others who will find their way out. I grieve for those who were too damaged to make it through.

I really don't give a flying f what adults choose do to and with their own bodies or their own minds -- follow any path of "salvation" that helps you or amuses you, have a ball, whatever floats your boat.

But more than anything, what has turned me completely away from "scientology" in all its forms is seeing first hand the direct affect on children of its adherents. Even those children brought up in clean homes, with money, etc. have the "mind fuck" laid on them by parents who position themselves as "executives" rather than "parents" and dole out their "love" based on the child's "stats" and "conditions."

Subjecting children to this insanity is imo not much different than giving toddlers alcohol, marijuana or meth or using them as sexual toys and then saying "but they liked it, they wanted it."

One of those "scientology kids" grew up to be crazy David Miscavige who now runs the "church" while "the followers" still look the other way and congratulate themselves on their superiority over those who are "not yet" scientologists.

My rant for the day.

I found myself vigourously nodding with every sentence you wrote, olska! I wish I could rant like that.....

 

[olska]

Do any of you remember the private home scientology child care center, open 24 hours a day at a house in los feliz and later off santa monica blvd.? The home childcare was run by Stan and Carolyn Miller? Miller Child Care Center ? Amy

Yes, I remember them. They cared for my son starting when he was about age one, and continued for several years, while I worked full time, until he was pre-school age. After that, he sometimes went to "Stan and Carolyn's" if I had to work on weekends or just wanted a break.

Mostly, he liked it there and I felt he was given pretty good care. When he got older he was bored there, but that had little to do with them, more with his "outgrowing" that environment. I thought they were good people and I had no complaints. I liked both Stan and Carolyn and despite the fact that they were 'way over the limit in number of kids, I liked the way they cared for the kids.

Stan always had interesting "projects" for them -- I remember a garden in the front yard, lots of great toys that a single parent would never be able to provide, Sesame street on TV always on, and so forth. If my son had shown any "bad indicators," I would have taken him out of there; but he seemed happy, healthy, and bright while in their care.

I was no longer actively on lines doing scn services, but at that time still considered myself to be a "scientologist". I worked a lot of overtime hours, sometimes night shift hours, and was grateful for the "24 hour" service.

At the time it was important to me that they were "scientologists," but looking back from now, what I most liked about them was simply that they were imo really good people who cared about the well-being of the kids. I also appreciated the fact that there was a MAN (Stan) around most of the time, as I was a single mom and there was no "father" in my son's life.

So apparently you were one of their children? My son turns 30 this year; you mentioned on another thread that you are a few years older. I'm sorry but I really don't remember their children (I was too focused on my own concerns), though I've likely had (short) real-life conversations with you when my son and I were coming and going from their place.

I know that Carolyn was drifting away from scientology around the same time as I was -- she once invited me to a meeting of some people involved in another practice, it didn't ring any bells for me, my son had outgrown their service, and while I liked both Carolyn and Stan it was mostly a "business" relationship rather than a friendship. I've since lost touch with them along with most of the people I knew from that time -- moved on, made new friends in the "wog" world.

If you don't mind, please share with me (by PM if you'd rather it not be public) what became of them. While my experience with them was mostly positive, if yours was not, I assure you I have no need to "take sides" -- I'd just be interested to know where the last 20 years have taken them. And if I can fill in any details of that time period seen through adult eyes, I'd be happy to do that for you.

o

 

[Wirestripper]

One boy she knew was surviving by selling sexual favors TO AN ADULT MALE SO MEMBER.

My rant for the day.

Ok. Now, I hope most of you will recognize by my posts that a) I have no shame in calling it how I see it, and b) have no love whatsoever for most PAC robots <may they be raped to death by barrel cacti filled with fire ants and blowfly maggots>

But I knew the great majority of those cadets, and read most of their ethics files...and not once did I ever see mention of a boy selling himself to an SO member for cash or favors....

And seriously, either the kid was dumber than a sack full of cracked bricks (not a stretch for a few) or the SO member was paid waaaay more than
he should have been!

I mean....come on! at $40 a week after social security and workers comp, he would have had to pick up the most diseased, unattractive immigrant street walker in Compton to stay within his budget. (if he could even afford transport out there!)


So, please expound!

 

[olska]

Ok. Now, I hope most of you will recognize by my posts that a) I have no shame in calling it how I see it, and b) have no love whatsoever for most PAC robots <may they be raped to death by barrel cacti filled with fire ants and blowfly maggots>

But I knew the great majority of those cadets, and read most of their ethics files...and not once did I ever see mention of a boy selling himself to an SO member for cash or favors....

And seriously, either the kid was dumber than a sack full of cracked bricks (not a stretch for a few) or the SO member was paid waaaay more than
he should have been!

I mean....come on! at $40 a week after social security and workers comp, he would have had to pick up the most diseased, unattractive immigrant street walker in Compton to stay within his budget. (if he could even afford transport out there!)

So, please expound!

The children my friend sheltered and tried to help were not in the "Cadet Org," they were running the streets and trying to survive on their own after being abandoned by their parents who were too obsessed with "doing scientology" to look after them.

Since no one was paying much attention to them (except to blame them for their condition), they would not have been "on org lines" getting services or ethics handling. Therefore, they would not have had "ethics files," which is why you wouldn't have seen their ethics files.

Remember the most difficult "outpoint" to spot -- the "omitted datum"?

I have no facts about the Sea Org member's finances, but you should know that there were lots of Sea Org members with sources of income other than their staff pay, as has been reported by EX Sea Org members on this forum as well as other places where their stories are made public.

Hope that clarifies the matter for you.

 

[dolphinlover]

My Parents' Stan and Carolyn 24/7 childcare

Yes, I remember them. They cared for my son starting when he was about age one, and continued for several years, while I worked full time, until he was pre-school age. After that, he sometimes went to "Stan and Carolyn's" if I had to work on weekends or just wanted a break.

Hi Olska, wow I will for sure talk to you on PM when I have more time. I have only recently found this website and one for Exkids. I am finally beginning to put some pieces together. Sadly, my story is very long and not easy to tell. For now I will say that growing up living in a 24/7 overcrowded childcare center is WAY different than attending/ going to be cared for.

As I put things together in my mind I will PM you.

Thanks to everyone for the encouragement. This website is wonderful.

 

[dolphinlover]

One boy she knew was surviving by selling sexual favors TO AN ADULT MALE SO MEMBER. A girl I came to know better later was simply abandoned to the L.A. streets.

Yeah, I remember being a teenager about 14-16yrs old and "volunteering" at ASHO doing filing and running errands etc... There were maybe three SeaO members who paid me cash or other exchange for sexual favors. At the time I thought it was a perfectly good and reasonable exchange and never even questioned it.

Just my memory for the day.
Amy

 

[olska]

... For now I will say that growing up living in a 24/7 overcrowded childcare center is WAY different than attending/ going to be cared for.

No doubt. All of us who went along with that situation were caught up the cult madness at the time -- not an excuse, just a fact.

As I put things together in my mind I will PM you.

Great! I sent you a PM -- looking forward to hearing from you, no rush, no pressure.

Yeah, I remember being a teenager about 14-16yrs old and "volunteering" at ASHO doing filing and running errands etc... There were maybe three SeaO members who paid me cash or other exchange for sexual favors. At the time I thought it was a perfectly good and reasonable exchange and never even questioned it.

There is no excuse for the hearbreaking and shameful things we adults allowed to happen to our children while we were so caught up in the cult that we tolerated such insanity.

 

[Lermanet_com]

This is a scan at 200 dpi of a color copy of 4 color photos from the cadet Org Ranch School outside of LA in the 70's...

I had not looked at this file in years and found it is starting to fade to blue, so Im uploading it so that you guys might find your images before what I have fades away...

There is a long report from the CO of the cadet org here too, typewritten... but I do not have permission to publish and have lost track of her.

All these kids are old farts now...so there should be no problem putting them on the net.

And who doesnt like to see what they looked like way back when....

more to follow

warmest regards
arnie lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
WE COME BACK
for our friends and family
to get them OUT before they
end up here:
whyaretheydead.net

Please save this image, the originals are fading fast

 

[Lermanet_com]

warmest regards
arnie lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
WE COME BACK
for our friends and family
to get them OUT before they
end up here:
whyaretheydead.net

Please save this image, the originals are fading fast

 

[Lermanet_com]

here are a list of names of the kids that could be remembered as being there at this time

Maggie Traux
Carli McShane
Alex jentzsch
Neil Olsen
Cedar Guthrie
Kriti Bettendorf
Marie Bettendorf
andrea phillips
chris proffitt
brittany garrett
michael garrett
ryan louglin
chris colon
max
tara harris
angela polin

helen mills
richard kemp
claire prefontie
mickey sarhovich
justina
salina
darrin palsasey
william denterfield
dillon ernisee
samantha whitmore
john harder
andy harder
spring melody knapp
QC Strom
Ian barr
amber jones
jeremy mulky
erin woodruff
elizabeth cohee
Diamond Barr
Ellise norton
john nelson
alex schwartz
sarah prefontie
sandy krushka

 

[Lermanet_com]

warmest regards
arnie lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
WE COME BACK
for our friends and family
to get them OUT before they
end up here:
whyaretheydead.net

Please save this image, the originals are fading fast

 

[duddins]

OMG Arnie. Those Pics are haunting.

 

[duddins]

Does anyone remember my little brother, Danny OConnell? He would have been around 11 yrs old in 1978. He stayed at the Wilcox, and later the Cadet Org on Fountain Ave. He was in for around 3 years. Blond hair, blue eyes, and a pug nose.

I would be tickled to meet someone who could give another perspective to our story.

 

[GreyLensman]

I want to thank you for passing on this link. It tells me that the proplem was known about at higher levels. I am dumbstruck.


Here is a quote from the link you advised us to check out: It refers to the findings of an obs mission back in 1981, when my brother would have still been there.

"The eval goes on to say that there are "Numerous reports of out-ethics and criminal behavior by PAC children, i.e. out 2-D, stealing, etc." and "Due to the recent filthy conditions of the CEO [Cadet Estates Org] and the criminal behavior of the children the area has become a PR [public relations] and Legal threat to the Church."

In the section of the Aides Order where the specific findings (data) are reported, it says, "...CEO scene is wildly off the rails and the scene has become very degraded. PAC SO children instead of becoming valuable personnel assets are in many cases becoming criminals...Looking into the scene it was found that except for brief periods, there has NEVER BEEN a properly functioning Cadet Org and CEO as separate entities.....""


By the looks of it, this observation was not aggressively handled...but continued at least until 1986....

Wouldnt it have been remotely decent if they could have taken responsibility and done something to repair the damage done to the kids, and families?

I remember gangs of kids, unsupervised, out of control. I didn't realize it never got handled and was an ongoing situation.

An inverted second dynamic, for sure. I'm so glad this isn't the scene there now.

 

[dolphinlover]

Infants at melrose & Fountain 1977-1979

Does anyone here remember more about the Melrose building for SO kids? I would like to read anything someone remembers. My infant sister was in the Nursery ward and I used to sneak up to the nursery room and visit her when she was about 4 months old. The baby Nanny never seemed to mind but whenever I was caught by My own Nanny, I would get assigned lower conditions/mest work. I was 6 years old.

Thanks for anything anyone can provide.

 

[exnanny]

Please save this image, the originals are fading fast

I took those photos and sent them about 15 years ago (1994). They were taken at the CEO which was next to the Franklin Manor. The year was about 1985. These children were in the Preschool Division.

Hope this helps with the information of the pictures. Some of the children. I still remember their names. I have personally moved on, but I goggled my daughter's name and found her name on this site. She was a young baby at the time.

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Welcome, and...

I took those photos and sent them about 15 years ago (1994). They were taken at the CEO which was next to the Franklin Manor. The year was about 1985. These children were in the Preschool Division.

Hope this helps with the information of the pictures. Some of the children. I still remember their names. I have personally moved on, but I goggled my daughter's name and found her name on this site. She was a young baby at the time.

Thank you and please stay - you are much needed and wanted here.

EP

 

[AnonKat]

we would buy child labor from the Cadet Organization.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/20...v-church-of-scientology-et-al/#comment-109715

Mat Pesch | March 6, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Reply

I just thought of something else that might be of interest. When I was in the FSO we would buy child labor from the Cadet Organization. Low level labor would be needed for such things as stuffing promotion into envelopes to be mailed out or filing papers into Central Files (CF). Cadet labor (children usually 7 to 11 years old) cost the FSO a set rate per hour.
If you wanted 10 childred to work for 4 hours than you needed to get a Purchase Order (PO) approved for that amount. It was called a Cadet Mission. Many times I was sent out to the Quality Inn (QI), where the children lived and had their own organization called the Cadet Org, to pick up the children for the work detail. If one of the kids did not work well the FSO staff member who they were working for could report it and ask that the kid not be sent the next time. That child would then be disciplined within the Cadet Org. The Cadet Org took these work details seriously as it provided them with money they needed for school supplies, cleaning supplies, etc.
So the fact is that child labor is a sold commodity within the Sea Org itself.