Well, in that case....
Marty "may" go and shove a silver-certified e-meter up his own arse.
I mean that in a theta way.
Is that how Marty certs his FZ e-meters ,
hope he doesn't have any mark Vs around (ouch splinters).
Yeah, I’m a Scientologists of 30 years and never heard of no Fair Game in Scientology before I checked the Internet and heard it from those who can’t stand our high ARC . They know all better than we do, don’t they?
In my humble opinion, like some other policies, fair game wasn’t by LRH but by some weirdo. Is Capt. Bill Robertson around? Did anybody ever ask Ken Urquhart about the source “Fair Game”? He might know more.
I didn’t study an anything in the 70s, 80s or later about Fair Game. It was just briefly in force and cancelled in the 60s.
In my humble opinion, like some other policies, fair game wasn’t by LRH but by some weirdo. Is Capt. Bill Robertson around? Did anybody ever ask Ken Urquhart about the source “Fair Game”? He might know more.
"DM is carrying on what Hubbard started” is another one. No doubt LRH had a temper, but anyone who actually knew him would know he was compassionate a man as you could ever meet, who genuinely loved to help others.
It’s true that the Old man could get ruthless and at times seem brutal (worse than Cap’n Bly) when under duress but once he handled the scene he was willing to forgive.
Tone 3.5 says “Good grasp of statements. Good sense of humour”.
Tone 1.5 says “Accepts alarming remarks literally. Brutal sense of humour.”
LRH usually assumed his readers were at least 2.5. It’s quite a reasonable thing to assume as the subject of Scientology is designed to create that.
I have reviewed every single document reproduction available online related to Paulette Cooper and Operation Freakout. So far, I have yet to see a single one authored by Ron Hubbard.
Some with personal agenda’s and issues and who also can’t evaluate data would pin it on LRH.These people have no training in the tech of auditing and really just don’t know the subject or it’s source and therefore blame LRH out of their…er…lack of knowledge and the obvious abuses they read about. And quite often just because they like to hate.
Quick fix here – I meant to point out that if LRH was the driving factor here, then how come the precepts of the Way to Happiness are not pushed in with such ferocity? They are not. They are violated continually. So clearly LRH is not being applied or followed any more.When one applies study tech correctly and always judge the writings of Lrh in Relation to the goal of the philosophy etc…one can easily understand those writing as metaphers and not meant literally, and then it makes a lot of sense and is in fact “common sense”.
RATHBUN RESPONDS TO ONE POST THAT LAYS BLAME AT THE FEET OF HUBBARD:
martyrathbun09 | November 2, 2010 at 11:58 am | Reply
Sugar coat? Read the post my friend. One policy to the exclusion of thousands of others. As Jesse points out – and Chuch Beatty has too – LRH wrote some hateful and aggressive despatches in the early eighties. His wife was going to jail, all board members of the mother church were going to jail, the DOJ had two grand juries outstanding trying to send him to jail. So, perhaps some ‘ends justify the means’ policies were emphasized at THAT TIME. To take an emergency situation, and turn it into STANDARD OPERATING POLICY, is not only suppressive it is a form of mind control. I suggest you work on your differentiation skills my friend.
Jesse Prince | November 2, 2010 at 5:31 am | Reply
I’m glad you brought up this subject of how the crimminality and destructive behavior escalated to what it is today in Scientology. I will start by saying I am not an L Ron Hubbard hater. I am also not an L Ron Hubbard adorer either. I just want to bring up personal knowledge that I have concerning Miss Cabbag’s odd behavior of abusing staff. The behavior of attacking staff DID NOT start with Miss Cabbage or Marty R or anyone else. Here is how it started from my eye wittness account. The year was 1982. The majority of International management (Exec Strata and CMO INT) had been removed from post. Out of that group of people there were two of them that really irritated L Ron personally. The two people I am refering to here is John Attack and David Mayo. For those who were around in 1983, there was RTC Conditions Order #1, a Com Ev on about 12-18 people. The exact number that comes to mind was about 18, but on this I could be mistaken but it was an unsual amount of people on the bill of particulars. I was either a member or secretary of that comm ev that went on for months. During this time RTC as well as ASI and CMOI would send up weekly reports to L Ron on the state of affairs with Int Mgmt ..etc. A report was sent to him each week concerning the comm ev and L Ron would often order this or that investigation of the people being comm ev’d. John Attack was the Exec Strata person over Div 6 activities and L Ron pretty much hated John and I understand hate is a strong word but so were the circumstances. To make a long story short, I read an advice from L Ron to Miss Cabbage ordering him to spit in John’s face and tell him that was from L. Ron. Miss Cabbage complyed with his order and reported the result. I saw the advice that came back to the compliance report of spitting in John’s face and L Ron was very pleased to here the news and escalated the situation by suggesting someone should slap the hell out of John Attack. Sure enough, as John was held by others, John was beaten by Miss Cabbage. Similar degrading actions were taken with David Mayo and this soon spread to others deemed to be SP’s. Prior to this it was unheard of at least by me for any staff member to attack another staff member. In fact it was a serious ethics offence to attack a fellow staff member. I knew Miss Cabbage before he was asked by L Ron to attack staff. He NEVER put a hand on any staff member period and I knew him for years prior to his orders to attack staff members. His wife Shelly would also encourage other executives to abuse staff in this manner and if they didn’t they were accused of having their finger falter on the trigger of a gun. In other words, pull the trigger. God only knows what the hell she was talking about but there you have it. It is so important to have the truth known so that people are not confused.
A copy of RTC Conditions Order #1 was on the internet the last time I looked. I was a member of the Comm Ev (along with Jesse and others) and can add a little regarding it. I remember the order from LRH being “spit on John Aczel for me” (nothing about the face). Of course, in true cowardly Miscavige fashion he gathered a small gang, had them first chew tobacco and then together go and spit on John (a mild mannered middle aged man) in the most sadistic manner possible. I was in the comm ev room when the “gang” left and then returned and Miscavige was just over joyed with himself.On the other side of things, don’t doubt that LRH was too holy to play rough. Ask Ron Clifford if LRH grabbed him on the film set, pushed him against a wall and flicked a cigarette ash down his shirt, or the Script Girl (Mary, my ex wife) about being screamed at, nose to nose, causing her to cry herself to sleep on more than one occassion.In my opinion, LRH could play rough to make a point but Miscavige is just a weak, cowardly, sadistic, sociopath who gets off on dominating and
hurting others.
Oh, what a relief! I thought Ron had ordered DM spit in his face. Ron did no such thing!
Mankind's greatest friend only ordered that he spit on the guy.
The face part is enemy line. Happy to be false-data stripped and rolled back!
It’s true that the Old man could get ruthless and at times seem brutal (worse than Cap’n Bly) when under duress but once he handled the scene he was willing to forgive.
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It’s true that the Old man could get ruthless and at times seem brutal (worse than Cap’n Bly) when under duress but once he handled the scene he was willing to forgive.
Speaking of quotes from MartyLand, I found this one interesting:
OTDT | November 4, 2010 at 4:09 pm | Reply
Marty,
Ok, so I found and read the Caliwog blog. I can respect the right to disagree, but there’s a really weird tone level there. Lots of vitriolic hating going on. I read Aaron’s postings, too. That man is one angry dude! Well, 1.1 to 2.0 actually, with the middle ground of anger and hate.
My naive question is, would OSA condone and orchestrate the use of such hateful and disparaging comments about LRH and Scientology in order to achieve whatever their aim is? I assume it’s to make you look bad so people won’t listen to you? Or to take the heat off DM?
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martyrathbun09 | November 4, 2010 at 4:16 pm | Reply
Of course. It is their hallmark. It is easy to infiltrate hater groups because the party line is as solid as their own – only different lines. It is one factor that makes infiltration of us so damn difficult for them. We are individual, sentient beings with our own myriad viewpoints.
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Beyond the amusingly ironic closing statement, and the quite literal and cleartext identification of 'Caliwog' as 'OSA', Marty speaks to something I've been harping on for a decade. OSA Can Say *Anything*, if it's considered in their interests. Sometimes merely as 'protective coloration'; sometimes for some more obscure motive.
Marty should know; he was in charge of OSA back when it began to jump on the 'Bad Management' and 'Bad Miscavige' bandwagon, which was actually started by pre-reformed-Marty indepenents/Zonies in the mid '90s.
People don't seem to be able to get that through their heads. No 'Say Xenu' or 'Say David Miscavige is a Dwarf' TEST works. OSA can say anything; including mean things about *Ron*, although that seems reserved for the more 'deep cover' ops. Or was; until Marty discovered Caliwog (and ESMB and others) as OSA.
Zinj
The policy of 'FAIR GAME' was very temporary and cancelled by Ron Hubbard in 1967
its in the green management volumes.
The policy of 'FAIR GAME' was very temporary and cancelled by Ron Hubbard in 1967
its in the green management volumes.
Some of those reader comments on Rathbun's blog are simply priceless parody (unintentional); here is one of the classics:
It’s true that the Old man could get ruthless and at times seem brutal (worse than Cap’n Bly) when under duress but once he handled the scene he was willing to forgive.
There is perhaps more revealed in the statement about the mindset of a Scientology cultist than one could reasonably hope for.
So...
When Ron got ruthless and brutalized people...he later forgave them?
The utter blind stupidity of that statement is unfathomable.
I am going to nominate that gem of wisdom for the ig-Nobel Peace Prize.
I'm so angry, I'm going down the street to find some random dingus and beat him up.
When I've calmed down again, I'll forgive him for "pulling it in".
Is that how it works?
For a long time it has been evident to me that DM is not very intelligent at all and much of life is designed to do what he thinks is hiding that fact - and, of course, he has not realized by doing this how visible he has made himself.
Hadn't given Marty much thought. Now Marty has jumped up and started down the same noy so intelligent path as DM.
Fortunately, these guys will neverlast long term.
Unfortunately, we see the havoc they wreak - and have strown - as they pursue so completely what they don't realize is their own self destruction.
What comes to mind is that old saying ...... something about ...... a bull in a china shop .