Well, I think I already posted everything what I feel about Mike in this thread and would now only repeat myself. If anyone wants to question any specific points I raised, please qoute them and ask, I'd be happy to go from there.
Other than that, I'll reply to points raised by others.
Are you really saying he hasn't had to face any consequences? What about the loss of family, job, fair gaming, being followed, etc. Here you sit, with me, admittedly, anonymous yourself. Pot, meet Kettle?
Though the posts in this thread, when writing "consequences" I was referring to legal consequences.
As for non-legal consequences, both me and Mike were raised in scn, lost our respetive positions. Mike had a higher position than I did, but he was in the hole while I was happily advancing up the management ladder when I left.
We are both declared now, lost our friends and are disconnected from family.
One difference is that he seems to like his famiy and regret being disconnected, while I hate my mom and would not reconnect with her even if the church collapsed.
Does it stil feel like a case of pot, kettle, black to you?
P.S.
I don't like to engage in the "who-had-it-worse" victimhood thing and I certainly don't want to feel sorry for myself. I wouldn't go into the personal stuff, but I felt I have to reply as you used an ad personam argument.
Here you sit, with me, admittedly, anonymous yourself. Pot, meet Kettle?
I never claimed to be the good guy in the whole Co$ saga. Quite the opposite to be honest, I think my most lasting impact was sadly as the cult enforcer and inquisitor. To be fair, I did my best to rein in the most overzealous of my EO subordinates, introduced policies to that extent and tried my best to fairly investigate real crimes. I also did my best to oppose abortion and got some serious flak for it - this is one of the few things I'm still proud of.
Thus a lot of my actions I now see as immoral and wrong, especially since I no longer believed in the tech at the time.
I do not currently have any information that could lead today to a police investigation into the church. I never encountered child sex abuse. The vast majority of physical abuse I experienced living at PAC as a kid came from other scn kids, not from adults. Thus I do not have "prosecutable" info, while I'm sure he does.
I'm sure he knows Some things, but I think if he knew anything that would bring the COS down, or Miscavige down, he would put himself in the position of possible harm to expose it.
I deeply respect your opinion, but I do not share it and see no evidence to that extent.
I believe it's Marty who knows and knew "where the bodies are buried". Maybe he shared this info with Mike, but even so, if he did - Mike would need some kind of evidence for it to stick.
I can't imagine how Mike with his post at OSA could know less about "buried bodies" than Marty. How could he have not known about all the coverups done by OSA, when he was the one running it?
He's cried, nay, wept openly, on TV, in front of maybe 'millions'(?) of people, regarding his part at that time he was there.
That wasn't just 'acting'. It's obvious that he feels shame and regret, clear as day.
Again, I respect your opinion but I do not share it. The only moments where I felt there was real tension in him was when he spoke about being disconected from his family. The rest felt insincere. That's my subjective impression.
If it would harm an 'SP', the COS would find a way to leak it somehow.
Fair point, I concede that argument.
Mike potentially having the info does not mean that he has evidence or the victims on hand and willing to speak. At that point it would be a he said she said situation, without solid evidence or proof, what would the point be?
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If things worked like you are saying they do, anyone could say anyone did anything... (this is what the COS likes to do, isn't it?) it wouldn't necessarily lead to any convictions. He would need proof, collaboration, corroboration and evidence.
That is a decent point, yet I feel a "he said she said" lawsuit could make the court seek additional evidence, including auditing data. I know how auditing info is stored - not only do you have multiple copies in various places, but you also have various summaries and abbreviated versions and summaries of summaries that reference one another across several systems.
What I am saying is that it would be very hard to falsify it without making it obvious that it has been tampered with or that there are records that are lost or deleted. Mike Rinder has that knowledge.
Let's say I wanted to speak for a child (now adult and still in). This person would not speak for themselves, and possibly even lie and refute any statement I might make. On top of that the COS could produce 100 'affidavits', etc. claiming the opposite and then go about happily spilling the contents of my folders, putting up a hate site, protesting at my place of employment, etc.
That's a fair point and I agree that taking up a case of a victim who is inside (and who would probably actively oppose the case and claim he/she is not a victim) would be very hard. There might still be evidence (like the auditing info I mentioned), but ti would be a hard fight. I believe its best to pursue cases of people who are out.
And I am not in any way trying to pressure or convince you to testify - as a victim this should be your decision and your alone.
Yet when it comes to OSA coverups, its a more simple issue. Mike himself is the witness and in many cases might be the perpetrator. He is the one who could come forward. He will know where the OSA data is that would serve as evidence. The FBI could make an evidence raid if warranted.
I speak from a position of being raised in, experienced rape, experienced and saw child abuse, neglect and abandonment.
I am sincerely sorry about these horrible things you experienced.
I also want to add that aside from the ad personam argument, you have posted what is so far the best and smartest arguments against my position. I'm sorry if I appear hostile, as I enjoy the discussion we are having and I think it is a valuable one to have here.