Where did LRH get the concept for Dev-T? (any old timers know?)

[DartSmohen]

Whenever I write to Inland Revenue, my reference is "DEV-T".
When they reply they always start with Re; DEV-T.

 

[Idle Morgue]

There were a few concepts I learned during my SO stint that have been useful. After years of sifting through and separating out the dreck, that is. One of them was the concept of Dev-T. It helped me put some thought into my business communications and activities and their organizational affect.

Knowing as I do now that Hubbard borrowed, lifted, sometimes plagarized materials from many different sources, I am curious if he learned about or borrwed the idea of Dev-T from someone else. Maybe it was an early Scientologist. Maybe it was a business book he skimmed through at some point. Maybe it was something that came up in a conversation with someone and LRH later issued it as his idea.

I'm curious to see if there was more to this concept that Hubbard might have altered when it went through his own strange filter. In addition to the tendancy to use it as a pejorative and reason for punishment.

I'd like to know if anyone else knows where LRH got this idea. Or maybe there is another business reference to this idea that has nothing to do with Scientology? I just haven't run across anything yet, myself.

L Ron Hubbard had a uncanny ability to make it seem as if he "invented" breathing but calls it something else. Part of the mind control.

Dev-T is just doing things that waste time and get nothing done. Anyone re-do their purif lately?

Some Scilions I know just did a "re-do" of their purif.

They were YOUNG and had never taken drugs or drank alcohol.

They told me they redid it because the C/S said they needed it. This is an example of a "scientological Dev-T"! LOL

Another Scientological Dev-T favorite - is to send people up the Bridge then down the Bridge. Why? It makes a lot of money for the cult!!

Spin people into confusion so as to make $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$ is the goal.

The uncanny thing is - Scientology is NOTHING BUT DEV-T! Spinning around going nowhere.

Best not to use the lingo and live in wog land and just call it what it is - wasting time!

 

[In present time]

I'd agree wholeheartedly that recovery requires coming to terms with the victim issue. It is key. (OCMB thread: Dear [STRIKE]Amy Scobee[/STRIKE] Loyalist Think Tankers)

I think that seeing someone else's interests as your own describes a functioning conscience. Thank you for sharing your experience, and for the insight.

PS to add: I'm sure also that most of us did not set out to victimize Scientology, or to be victimized by the Scientologists. But clearly we acted against our own best interests when we joined. Hubbard committed the original "overt" which invalidates his "victim" theory. (quoted earlier.)

In one way or another, we were inculcated with utterly false new "awarenesses" or delusions that put us on the Scientology Org Board, and set us on the "Bridge to Total Freedom." It would seem impossible that someone holding such delusions could truly act in favor of someone else's best interests. This is a good reason why Scientologists should not be permitted to work with disaster victims, for example. And it is a good reason to not support the Scientologists' underground railroad.

Some of these instilled attitudes may even be why in the end I left because of what was done to others and not what was done to me. I probably wasn't comfortable with the notion of "motivating".

Oh man, more onion, just when you think it's been peeled.

That just reminded me of another not-truism. Although at the moment I don't recal seeing this in WRITING (so it CAN'T be true!) but it was the concept that making someone guilty of an overt was the biggest sin. Wow, what a beautiful out for any abuser!

Sometimes I think the only original tech that ever existsed was crap Hubbard made up to cover his own ass.
i remember staff saying that to me if I ever dared call anyone on their shit.



Do you remember that?
Thank-you Caroline

 

[Caroline]

Some of these instilled attitudes may even be why in the end I left because of what was done to others and not what was done to me. I probably wasn't comfortable with the notion of "motivating".

Oh man, more onion, just when you think it's been peeled.

That just reminded me of another not-truism. Although at the moment I don't recal seeing this in WRITING (so it CAN'T be true!) but it was the concept that making someone guilty of an overt was the biggest sin. Wow, what a beautiful out for any abuser!

Sometimes I think the only original tech that ever existsed was crap Hubbard made up to cover his own ass.
i remember staff saying that to me if I ever dared call anyone on their shit.



Do you remember that?
Thank-you Caroline

You're welcome.

Yes, I remember the concept of the "overt" of making someone guilty, and how it's treated in auditing.

AUDITING ATTITUDE​

You do the auditing. This is all HGC type auditing, not PE Co-Audit. The auditor handles pc and improves pc on his own responsibility. Instructions which violate this (making auditor a via, not cause) may be disregarded both by student and staff auditors.

[...]

Use heavy control, as extreme as you feel necessary, as mild as works.

If pc is ARC breaky work rudiments over or look hard for present life overts and withholds discreditable to pc.

[...]

First Stage

1. Clean up and continue to keep cleaned up pc’s overts and withholds in life which would interrupt two-way comm with auditor. This includes anything pc has done in his life which disturbs the tone arm.
Rehabilitate pc’s ability to withhold on any terminal he has done lots of overts against.

(Overts include making another person guilty of anything. Don’t overlook these.) Always run responsibility on any major overts discovered.

[...]

5. Find out how he feels about generally improving himself. Burning question: Does he deserve to get well? Investigate his chronic somatics and find out who he is making guilty by having them. Do this by clever two-way comm, not by repetitive auditing command. This is the make-break point of a case. Get real real about it. This step applies ordinarily to the very boggy case that isn’t running well. Any case can benefit from it but it is a must on a boggy case. [...]

Hubbard, L. (1960, 8 January) OT Procedure for HCS/BSn Courses. Technical Bulletins (1991 ed., Vol V, pp. 275-278.) Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.

You're right, it's CYA tech. And it's also a "double curve." Victimize the person, and then victimize the person some more when he recognizes the source of the victimization.

It's about as disgusting to me as Rathbun's multi-million dollar ticket-to-Bulgravia lawsuit for the kinds of crimes and abuses he himself has gotten away with. And he's preaching forgiveness? Yeah, that works.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Carolyn, can you post a copy of Dev-t graphed - it will help people understand different types of dev -t It is a surprisingly practical PL.

Mimsey

 

[In present time]

hmmm, that is interesting but the thing i kept hearing was something like the niggest crime in the universe js to make someone guilty of an overt.
now i could see how that would work in session for suew, but it carried over into everyday practise on staff. it was weird.
the link you semt to omcb is VERY interesting. iam still reading that.
i remember back when marty posted that sitting bullshit.
wtf?
yeah, it is pretty hypocritical for him to whine about being stalked, laughable really.
all i cansay is he is lucky to have mosey...
VERY lucky.

i had no idea you are gerry's wife. god, what a lot of cr you to have been through.
it almost unreal how marty refuses to see any reality in that situation.

anyone who ever stood up for gerry on his blog were always degraded.
and yes, it outrages me even more now, when i look back on his comments about how he has mothing to say until gerry stop BEING a victim. ugghh, it makes me sick.

and to think, yeah he and mosey are probably going to skate with a few million...
when you compare that to people like arnie and berrywho go nothing but their lives fucked with it is pretty sickening.

i kinda suspected all along that marty had the lawsuit in his plans, he kept laying the trap... but i wonder if he knew where he would be getting a contingency attorney? those are pretty rare in such messy cases.

hmmm.

so, i am going to try to stop derailing this thread now... it's Q&A

 

[Caroline]

Carolyn, can you post a copy of Dev-t graphed - it will help people understand different types of dev -t It is a surprisingly practical PL.

Mimsey

Bit off topic for this thread Mimsey, and anyway, not on my admin scale.

Dev-T is basic staff indoctrination, taught in OEC Vol 0. From the 1991 edition Vol 0 index:

DEVELOPED TRAFFIC (DEV-T)

HCOPL 2 July 1959 II Developed Traffic, the Delirium 397
Tremens of Central Orgs

HCOPL 19 Aug. 1959 III How to Handle Work 399

HCOPL 4 Sept. 1959 I Completed Staff Work (CSW) 401
How to Get Approval of Actions
and Projects

HCO PL 17 Nov. 1964 I Off-Line and Off-Policy, Your 404
Full In-Basket

HCO PL 31 Jan. 1965 Dev-T 412

HCOPL 8 Feb. 1965 Dev-T Analysis 416

HCOPL 13 Oct. 1965 Dev-T Data, Executive Responsibility 419

HCOPL 5 Jan. 1968 I Overfilled In-Basket, Bad News 420

HCOPL 12 Aug. 1968 People Who Don't Do Their Jobs 422

HCO PL 27 Jan. 1969 Dev-T Summary List 424

HCO PL 30 Jan. 1969R II Dev-T Summary List Editions 429

HCO PL 27 Oct. 1969 I Dev-T 433
AKH Series 23

HCOPL 4 Nov. 1969 Dev-T Graphed 435

HCOPL 9 Mar. 1972 III Dev-T and Unhattedness 439
Esto Series 3

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Bit off topic for this thread Mimsey, and anyway, not on my admin scale.

That's cool - I thought that the lurkers here that have never been on staff could use enlightenment about what Dev-t is, and that vehicle is easy to digest. It's not about saying how wonderful the Scio tech is, it's about understanding the nature of the beast. Thanks for responding. Mimsey

 

[Hazmat]

I'd like to know if anyone else knows where LRH got this idea. Or maybe there is another business reference to this idea that has nothing to do with Scientology? I just haven't run across anything yet, myself.

Have you not heard the phrase, "It's not my job!"............LOL