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Where is Matt Faye?

Discussion in 'Australia & New Zealand Pickets and Protests' started by Zinjifar, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    There is no reason, in my experience, why the receptionist would have known where these people were or whether any RPFer that was there last week was still there this week. The RPF operates pretty much separate from the day to day routine of the CLO. Only the person directly over it would know what was going on.

    I was once called by ITO and asked if I knew the whereabouts of my ex husband who was one of their staff who had been sent to the RPF almost a year earlier. He had created so much confusion surrounding himself that he had managed to slip out without anyone realizing he was gone....they all thought he was somewhere else! lol That was the smoothest blow I ever saw. And it was almost a year before anyone realized it.
     
  2. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    Zinj, did you not read my earlier post? Or read the thread? Or watch the videos?

    Why do you think some underpaid (actually quite well paid) bureauocrat would spend an hour on the phone getting the runaround from the org rather than type a name and a date into their computer? Especially when the whole point of the exercise was to verify the information they already had from the org as it was suspected that OSA staff were lying?
     
  3. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    So, you're saying he contacted the immigration authorities and was informed that the persons in question had left the country?

    Or, you're saying he *said* he did that, which would at least get the yahoo off the phone while he was trying to enjoy his bagel?

    Where's Sneakster when he could actually serve a purpose?

    Zinj
     
  4. Feral

    Feral Rogue male

    OK, glad you said so. Check Zinj, and let us know how to go getting past the countries PRIVACY laws.

    If you would just do that it would make this whole thread worthwhile.
     
  5. Dilettante

    Dilettante Patron Meritorious

    I think Zinj wants a job

    What is it with you and this line of questioning about verifying whereabouts through agencies that owe the general public NOTHING? Furthermore directing it at Feral? Feral, did you *let* the investigator lie to you? Zinj, I would invite you to take up this questioning with the proper authorities BUT you might undermine what may be a good case. If you know of a way to find a person legally please do share that wisdom. If not please stop poking at the nice folks that are trying to help. I could just see another op by osa...act like anal retentive exes and drive law enforcement crazy with queries that can never get *answered*. I imagine you are fed up with the abuses of CoS, ME TOO. Be more constructive and offer suggestions not critcism.
    Matt Faye; more people are learning your name because we want to help.
    Carol Miles; you can make your own choices and most of us are willing to fight for your right to do just that.
    Brian Curry; One person cared enough to get others to act on your behalf-imagine what that means to others in the same trap-HOPE.
    Dil
     
  6. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    If you wanna see what *looks* like an OSA op, have a look for the distraction, the ridicule & the divisiveness.

    Hmmmm....

    At the moment I know what looks like that. It's probably not the case but it is just as effective.
     
  7. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    I think Zinj needs to stop being an armchair critic and get down with the rest of us who are working hard to expose the cult as we can. Just talking about it is not enough. I think he should start with his general accusation that the cult kills people and Marty helped it happen - Like go and do some investigation and document one of the killings that are not documented as being murder or suicide aided by.

    It beats posting without proof. God knows we'd all like to know the facts beyond the little we know on some of these deaths.

    Maybe compiling a blog of all that he feels are killings by CoS, with links to data, docs posted, etc.
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2011
  8. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Contentious

    Contentious, Zinj - and unnecessarily. Please stop. We love ya, but it is as if you WANT to argue / get it going again / get banned.

    I - for one - am tired of it. We are all on the same side - or most of us are, anyway. With DIFFERENCES - BIG DIFFERENCES. So what.

    Please, people, can't we all just get along - set aside our differences, stand shoulder to shoulder - in our shared goals. PLEASE :begging:

    Let's not let osa/co$/scn win this one. They are here, they like fucking with us - Let's fuck 'em back.

    I am upset too - sad - very sad - :sadsigh: and harboring anger - too - but I am directing it at co$ - where it TRULY belongs. :grouch: I am channeling it into a positive direction and force. I hate the mother farkers - for the evil perpetrated in the name of religion.

    Let's not turn on each other. United we stand, divided we fall - Osa strategy = divide and conquer - all that shit. :gossip:

    Emma isn't the only one needing a break from all of this. And - oh yeah - who made her have to play 'mother'? That's not fair to her. Not fair at all.

    Let this go. We should all 'harbor' our suspicions and suspicious natures - our justifiably paranoid tendencies - until we have PROOF - of something, one way or another - stop pointing the finger at each other, making snarky remarks, especially at people not here to defend themselves - or else we are playing right into the hands of the enemy.

    :nervous::unsure: :ohmy:
    FUCK scn/co$/osa
     
  9. Nurse Pinch

    Nurse Pinch Patron with Honors

    Zinj, the reason they are not in a safehouse is prolly hard to understand unless you have worked in the SO. But the short answer is this- Out PR. The mentality is that the SO are OT and infallible, they are to be respected and 'lionised' by all. There is no way on Gods green Earth they would allow an SO member who wants to blow to be shacked up and hidden away at ANY public person's house. Imagine the conversations they might have :omg: Imagine the freedom of communication that may ensue. Anything that goes on in the SO is considered confidential. Actions that are considered to bring the SO into disrepute are SERIOUS offenses; and an a public talking to an SO member who wants to blow would certainly qualify. They cant be shipped to an external SO dungeon, because ANZO IS the external SO dungeon. If they had an external to the external dungeon then they wouldn't be hiding guys under squash courts.

    To get them out of the country they would just use the same tactics they used on Janet Lightfoot to get her to Int- "OK, we understand you want to leave and thats fine. We dont want to keep anyone around who doesn't want to be here. Lets just go up to Int where we have the resources available to get this sorted out really fast and then you'll be on your way." :no: Straight to the hole for you. Plus they have spent most of their adult lives being indoctrinated that the authorities are evil and are out to enslave everyone- they have psychiatrists ready to involuntarily commit you, force you to take drugs and ECT you if you fall into their hands (not actually exaggerating this). Better the devil you know as they say. The other tactic is similar to that used by the North Koreans to keep people in line. If an RPF'er blows, his twin and possibly other RPF'ers are in the shit for it. And you prolly dont want your friends going to the RPF's RPF because you do a runner.

    This is pure speculation, but my thoughts on Mr Faye are that he is a risk. His mother is the NOTs C/S or something, which is a post that would be REALLY REALLY hard to fill if she did a runner. She MAY be a bit shaky herself, so if he left, she might just say fuck it and go as well. Alternatively, they may just want him off her lines so he doesn't become an external influence, or a PTP for her that would get in the way of her being a good little drone and continuing to pump out OT Comps- which by the way would be a HUGE stat for just about everyone in authority in the AO, CLO, CMO and possibly RTC. So there are a lot of people with influence who don't want his mother fucked with in any way, shape or form. My guess is they don't give a flying fuck about him- its all about his mother and at the end of the day, how much money she can make for them.

    Pinchy.
     
  10. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    I may disagree with some of your analysis and conclusions Pinchy, but, you make a reasonable case. Thanks.

    Zinj
     
  11. Shredder

    Shredder Patron with Honors

    As an Ex SO, and Ex RPFer I can vouch that time with mum, or any other family member that is not SO, or not a Scn, is granted in some situations - and might be considered by an outsider as 'a day off' if sighted walking along on the street.

    In an instance I know about, that required use of one of the rooms of the Cadet Org (a separate unit in a town house complex at "Fountain Court" in Glebe); there was someone who wanted to blow, who was labelled 'psychotic' and required 24 hour watch - and handling by the C/S (shore story) who was a 'threat' and put under 24 watch, the SO just needed a 'room', and a rotating roster of HCO and Security personnel from CLO ANZO or AOSH ANZO (as an immediate solution) much easier and quieter, keeping it 'in house' than trying to find a safe house or even involve anyone outside of the SO.

    However, after a week or so, the 'threat' who was isolated to this room, wasn't actually psychotic at first, but became, after a few days of not having any response to his questions (as no one is allowed to speak to the threat at all) really became psychotic, and labelled PTS Type 3 and under strict 'supervision' and handling from the C/S (which meant to isolate etc) - a 'long term trusted' OT was approached (as happened a few times with others in this instance when the 'handling' got to this point) to use his farm out in the country as the best location for this 'threat'.

    I understand this person and farm may not be around anymore - however there are other farms in the country when a situation gets too 'hot', after the initial standard 'threat', 'psychotic' or 'PTS Type 3' handlings. Far easier and cheaper option.

    There seem like a lot of postings on this thread that skirt around the original simple question that wasn't answered straight up:

    Whether Matt Faye was out of the country or not and whether there is any truth to the statement about Matt Faye being 'reported' as being out of the country.

    Some postings have alleged that this information was given by the Immigration Department to ....the police - and then passed on to.....a general public person?

    The original question could have been answered in one post, if known - however it hasn't been answered, consequently all the pages of speculation.

    Feral, a few times I have seen Carmel's name been thrown out on threads, and here - disrelated to the topic and with really dark inuendos, seems like a personal insult to me and even slanderous of Carmel. Do ESMB rules not apply here?

    Sorry if this comment of mine seems narky but I take offence at what's been said here about a friend and someone who has been a friend to you. I find it really hard to take when you can forget so easily that it was Carmel who rounded up friends to come and help you and your family after your property was devastated by fires, and my husband and I answered the call to help you, along with other mates here on the ESMB.

    I’ve known Carmel for years. You know she speaks openly and publicly about those things she is passionate about.

    Anything she’s said to me in private over this past year and a half, regarding ESMB, she’s also posted on the board. She’s one of the most upfront people I know. Her friends and her enemies always seem to know her stance because she doesn’t hide it - and what she says privately doesn’t differ from what she says publicly.

    She also communicates what she feels despite personal consequences.

    If Carmel is 'quiet' about something then it’s more likely that she’s lost her passion for it, or her passion for the subject has been killed off. I’ve seen enough posts to Carmel in recent months that would be enough to kill the passion that anyone had, but she persisted despite some personal attacks from her friends here.

    I know that Carmel doesn’t procrastinate nor cry over spilt milk for too long. She has a good ability to recognize where things are at, and move on if she feels she needs to. I also know that Carmel has started a new chapter in her life but I don’t know where Carmel is at right now on ESMB because I’ve been busy, and haven’t had time to ask her and she’s also working long hours and hasn’t spoken to me about it on the odd occasion when we have spoken.

    If Carmel was (as I've seen insinuated) - back channelling and causing trouble - then I think I’d know about it - even with our separate work commitments.

    Feral, I think you owe Carmel an apology for this post and others in recent months which have also contained similar false overtones, and please - if you don't know the answer to a direct question, why be so outspoken and insinuate that you do? When you talk about "slated to be shipped out per operational policy of the RPF" it sounds like you have read it and that there is actual 'policy' written on this topic.

    It creates a lot of frustration and ambiguity - hence I notice the number of backwards and forwards on this thread, with a lot of people trying to get a straight answer to a question.
     
  12. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Thanks for the data, Shredder. As far as I know (and I had lunch with Carmel yesterday) she's much too busy and involved with her Building Project to bother too much with internecine shennanigans here on ESMB.
    This thread is starting to read like "my Conspiracy Theory is better than your Conspiracy Theory".
    I hate the glare of tinfoil in the morning.
     
  13. Shredder

    Shredder Patron with Honors

    About getting along - Mrs Pattycake makes a really good point on another thread that I'd like to show here, with the frame of reference to how it would be great if New South Welshman could dabble in a little of what the Melbournian's can make work - there would be a lot more bonds un-severed if when they got together, no one mentioned Scn or the org!

    Unfortunately I think I understand why this doesn't work in Sydney, NSW.

    Mre Pattycake: " ...There is also a broader group of less hard core Scios in Melbourne - those who just sort of dabble. These guys are amazing - they are able to socialise with dissaffected and even declared SPs and it does not come up as an ethic scene. I asked one of the dissaffected ones about how this actually occurs ? The answer was simple - they are all good mates so when they get together no one mentions Scientology or the Org !

    Ha so simple .... it just would not work in Sydney !!!
     
  14. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Shredder, the Melbourne Gang is not one to aspire to. :)
    It may be "good mates" on the surface but when push comes to shove if you are deemed unacceptable to that group, you are cactus. They support each other due to interconnecting businesses and social lives, but I have never seen a more viscious group of people if somehow you are seen to get in the way of that. I speak from experience.

    It makes me very sad when I think about it and see such behaviour echoed in other groups of ex scientologists. Kiddie playground spats have nothing on what comes spewing out. Maybe it's because of the years of repression, I dunno...I just know that people who can stand tall without having to have the admiration of others tend to be nicer and more honest people.
     
  15. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Yep, the Melbourne Field definitely has COGNITIVE DISSONANCE on ignore.
    Let's try to keep our eye on the actual game despite all invitations down sidetracks.
    It's not about personalities it's about the Crimes and Abuse in scientology.
     
  16. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    I totally agree Panda.

    However one of the abuses of scientology is what it does to individuals on a personal basis and how it affects their relationships, especially in groups.
     
  17. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Where is Matt Faye?

    (Not directed at posters on this thread.)
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2011
  18. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Yep, I agree. That's definitely an important aspect of scientology abuse and it's something that should be discussed.

    I was thinking more along the lines of Posters spending an undue amount of pixels commenting on other's Internet Personnas rather than sticking to the main game of discussing and trying to do something about scientology abuse.
     
  19. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    This is good information Shredder. I recall someone from AOLA posting about similar handlings on people who flipped while on OT 3 and they were taken to a private residence which was isolated so no-one could hear the screaming.

    However, I don't think that a private residence would be used for the long term imprisonment of an RPFer who wants to leave.

    Actually, come to think of it, there was someone held for a fair long period of time somewhere up the coast in Australia. I don't recall the details, maybe someone else can.



    Shredder, everything that is known has been posted here. And repeated several times. That some people don't seem to understand it or won't accept it or don't want to accept it or are pretending they don't understand it or want to speculate on it or want to accuse the police of lying or whatever the fuck else they might be doing has dragged this thread out by several unnecessary pages.

    So once more and I hope the hell for the last time:

    CAROL MILES AND MATT FEYE ARE NOT IN AUSTRALIA. THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY THE LOCAL POLICE THROUGH IMMIGRATION RECORDS. IT IS NOT KNOWN BY US WHETHER THEY LEFT BEFORE OR AFTER THE RAID ON 19 DEC. THE POLICE ARE NOT GIVING OUT THAT INFORMATION.


    I am in the same circle of friends as Carmel and I have not heard a peep from any of them about Carmel. I recall seeing one mention of her in a non sequiter fashion a couple weeks ago but without any specific allegation. Now we have your post, which also alludes to something with no specifics. If you are going to say something about someone or talk about back room cabal, could you please say what was said and who said it and what evidence they presented. Otherwise it just furthers the vague notion that something was done wrong or there is 3P but if just left in general terms then it fuels further speculation and leaves the specifics up to sometimes over active imaginations.
     
  20. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Where was that roll of duct tape? Oh, damn; Nozzie took it with him.

    Zinj