where was mary when ron died?
She got out of prison in 1984. She might have been in her house that sold recently if it had been purchased for her before LRH died on 24 JAN 1986. LRH apparently "threw her under the bus" to avoid going to prison himself.Was she holding his hand, when ron died?
When Hubbard died, DM, reportedly, got her in a room, wouldn't let her leave, and browbeat her into handing over the estate in exchange for
50K USD and what amounted to house arrest.
So how could she have had much in the way of chances to hold hands or stroke fevered brows just before that? It sounds to me like DM and his cult had things pretty well locked down and that MSH's mobility and freedom had been limited for quite some time.
When Hubbard died, DM, reportedly, got her in a room, wouldn't let her leave, and browbeat her into handing over the estate in exchange for
50K USD and what amounted to house arrest.
So how could she have had much in the way of chances to hold hands or stroke fevered brows just before that? It sounds to me like DM and his cult had things pretty well locked down and that MSH's mobility and freedom had been limited for quite some time.
Her husband didn't want anything to do with her.
And the story emanating from the kooky Scientology FreeZone, for years, was that her husband, also, was held under house arrest/imprisoned, or frozen on ice, etc.
A more realistic view is that Mary Sue realized that she was dealing with her co-conspirator husband, the same person who had taught her the tricks that led her to serve time in federal prison, and that she was going to be compliant with his wishes, and then with the wishes of his main henchman, Miscavige. This, to protect herself, and for her own comfort, and also to protect her children, and for their comfort.
"I don't know what happened....after LRH died....or even their relationship prior to that....
But, basically IMO she didn't HAVE to do anything......everything would have just fallen into her lap. Everything (ownership wise) did fall into her lap...."
No, everything would not have fallen into her lap. Here's why: Shortly after Mary Sue Hubbard was indicted, LRH began setting up the "corporate shields" that protect Cof$ to this day. Denise Brennan (Larry Brennan at the time this took place) was very much involved in this. The earlier portion of Denise's very long thread here called "Just Another Chat" went into detail about this and lots, lots more.
Hubbard would have nothing to do with Mary Sue after she went to jail. Per Denise, she would write to him and her letters were diverted and censored before they ever made their way to LRH. Also, per Denise LRH never saw his wife again after she was released from jail. He was already "on the road", hiding from possible indictment himself, since he had been named as an unindicted co-conspirator in MSH's case. And he specifically did NOT want to see her.
That LRH! Always such a fine fellow!
Her husband didn't want anything to do with her.
And the story emanating from the kooky Scientology FreeZone, for years, was that her husband, also, was held under house arrest/imprisoned, or frozen on ice, etc.
A more realistic view is that Mary Sue realized that she was dealing with her co-conspirator husband, the same person who had taught her the tricks that led her to serve time in federal prison, and that she was going to be compliant with his wishes, and then with the wishes of his main henchman, Miscavige. This, to protect herself, and for her own comfort, and also to protect her children, and for their comfort.
You think it's a kooky theory that Elron was under a sort of house arrest? According to RVY, he may well have been. Possibly murdered, butt full of vistaril, odd timing of his will...
Was she holding his hand, when ron died?
He was a paranoid in hiding. There was no need for illegal imprisonment.
"I don't know what happened....after LRH died....or even their relationship prior to that....
But, basically IMO she didn't HAVE to do anything......everything would have just fallen into her lap. Everything (ownership wise) did fall into her lap...."
No, everything would not have fallen into her lap. Here's why: Shortly after Mary Sue Hubbard was indicted, LRH began setting up the "corporate shields" that protect Cof$ to this day. Denise Brennan (Larry Brennan at the time this took place) was very much involved in this. The earlier portion of Denise's very long thread here called "Just Another Chat" went into detail about this and lots, lots more.
Hubbard would have nothing to do with Mary Sue after she went to jail. Per Denise, she would write to him and her letters were diverted and censored before they ever made their way to LRH. Also, per Denise LRH never saw his wife again after she was released from jail. He was already "on the road", hiding from possible indictment himself, since he had been named as an unindicted co-conspirator in MSH's case. And he specifically did NOT want to see her.
That LRH! Always such a fine fellow!
MSH died several years ago. From what I heard- and I think that was mostly here on ESMB- she had been kept in her house (admittedly a nice one but a prison's still a prison) under guard til the end of her days.