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Who are the actual, legal owners/lien holders?

Mystic

Crusader
Little story first.

In the real-estate business in the United States, and possibly in many other countries, real estate is bought and sold. These transactions are a matter of public record.

In the mid 80s a friend of mine and I went to the Recorder's Office, where these real estate transactions are recorded, and looked up just who "owned" Big Blue in LA.

OMG! It didn't really have as much impact on me then as it does now, but the lien holder on Big Blue was none other than the IRS!!!!! Now just what does that tell you?

I have seen that supposedly these "Ideal Org" buildings the scifaggOTs are playing with, though they remain rather empty, are financed in two ways, Tom Cruise and donations from scifag public. Evidently DM has Cruisedout Tom in the real estate business.

BUTT! All that aside, just who owns these buildings? Who are the lien holders?????

This information is a matter of public record. All I did was gather some information and then go to the Recorder's Office and LOOK UP THE RECORDS.

We need to do this today.

So I'm putting out a call to folks all over the planet to start digging for this information: London, Berlin, New York, Sydney, etc., anywhere and everywhere the scifags have real estate property.

When you get the information, put it in this thread. Evidently you can even purchase copies of the record. Such could be scanned and put on the internet!

DO IT FAGGOTS! (as the Anons would say.)

 
Little story first.

In the real-estate business in the United States, and possibly in many other countries, real estate is bought and sold. These transactions are a matter of public record.

In the mid 80s a friend of mine and I went to the Recorder's Office, where these real estate transactions are recorded, and looked up just who "owned" Big Blue in LA.

OMG! It didn't really have as much impact on me then as it does now, but the lien holder on Big Blue was none other than the IRS!!!!! Now just what does that tell you?

I have seen that supposedly these "Ideal Org" buildings the scifaggOTs are playing with, though they remain rather empty, are financed in two ways, Tom Cruise and donations from scifag public. Evidently DM has Cruisedout Tom in the real estate business.

BUTT! All that aside, just who owns these buildings? Who are the lien holders?????

This information is a matter of public record. All I did was gather some information and then go to the Recorder's Office and LOOK UP THE RECORDS.

We need to do this today.

So I'm putting out a call to folks all over the planet to start digging for this information: London, Berlin, New York, Sydney, etc., anywhere and everywhere the scifags have real estate property.

When you get the information, put it in this thread. Evidently you can even purchase copies of the record. Such could be scanned and put on the internet!

DO IT FAGGOTS! (as the Anons would say.)


Lienholder doesn't mean they own the building. When someone owes the IRS money they sometimes put a lien on the person's or institution's property. It doesn't mean they own it, it just means that if it gets sold they get their money first.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Blue Spirit

Silver Meritorious Patron
Pasadena and Valley Orgs

Since reading your post on this a while back, I've been meaning to do this for these two places,

as I'm more than curious myself.

I should be able to do it this next week,
 

looker

Patron Meritorious
Ill do my part

Ill check around here and see what I can come up with. I'm goin Monday Ahhrgh Matey We are on a Mission into Brick and Morter... Who are the false beards who really own the property?

Note to self: Self Could it be they too are being forclosed on?? Check the Tax records.... K. Carry on..
 

looker

Patron Meritorious
Lienholder doesn't mean they own the building. When someone owes the IRS money they sometimes put a lien on the person's or institution's property. It doesn't mean they own it, it just means that if it gets sold they get their money first.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Yes If the IRS was on the title as first lien holder it coulda been for unpaid or partially unpaid property tax.
 
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thetanic

Gold Meritorious Patron
Assessor's ID No. 5543-017-018
Site Address 4833 FOUNTAIN AVE
LOS ANGELES CA 90029
Property Type Other
Region / Cluster 25 / 25697
Tax Rate Area (TRA) 08827

2009 Roll Values
Recording Date 04/01/1988
Land $3,065,008

Improvements $4,490,279

Personal Property $175,000

Fixtures $43,000

Homeowners' Exemption $0

Real Estate Exemption $7,177,523

Personal Property Exemption $175,000

Fixture Exemption $43,000

Property tax: 2 installments of $16,674.81
 

Mystic

Crusader
Assessor's ID No. 5543-017-018
Site Address 4833 FOUNTAIN AVE
LOS ANGELES CA 90029
Property Type Other
Region / Cluster 25 / 25697
Tax Rate Area (TRA) 08827

2009 Roll Values
Recording Date 04/01/1988
Land $3,065,008

Improvements $4,490,279

Personal Property $175,000

Fixtures $43,000

Homeowners' Exemption $0

Real Estate Exemption $7,177,523

Personal Property Exemption $175,000

Fixture Exemption $43,000

Property tax: 2 installments of $16,674.81

I want my 2.5%!
 

Mystic

Crusader
How exactly do we do this in Australia?

Bloody good question, Zhent. I would expect Australia to be similar to the USA system, being we're all offspring of the Brit system. Government bureaus are charged with keeping up with who owns what, particularly in real estate. I'd say talk to a real-estate agent or whatever you call 'em downunder.
 

Carmel

Crusader
Carmel would probably be able to find out in 2 shakes of a lamb's tail.
Sorry to dissapoint, Myssy, but I'm not (thanks for the compliment though :wink:).

I tried to find out when we were on chat this afternoon, but couldn't find any sites where ya didn't have to sign up and pay to get the info.

I do have a couple of mates in real estate though, who'd have easy access to this data, but I wouldn't call them till they're be back in their office on Monday. :)
 

nozeno

Gold Meritorious Patron
Little story first.

In the real-estate business in the United States, and possibly in many other countries, real estate is bought and sold. These transactions are a matter of public record.

In the mid 80s a friend of mine and I went to the Recorder's Office, where these real estate transactions are recorded, and looked up just who "owned" Big Blue in LA.

OMG! It didn't really have as much impact on me then as it does now, but the lien holder on Big Blue was none other than the IRS!!!!! Now just what does that tell you?

I have seen that supposedly these "Ideal Org" buildings the scifaggOTs are playing with, though they remain rather empty, are financed in two ways, Tom Cruise and donations from scifag public. Evidently DM has Cruisedout Tom in the real estate business.

BUTT! All that aside, just who owns these buildings? Who are the lien holders?????

This information is a matter of public record. All I did was gather some information and then go to the Recorder's Office and LOOK UP THE RECORDS.

We need to do this today.

So I'm putting out a call to folks all over the planet to start digging for this information: London, Berlin, New York, Sydney, etc., anywhere and everywhere the scifags have real estate property.

When you get the information, put it in this thread. Evidently you can even purchase copies of the record. Such could be scanned and put on the internet!

DO IT FAGGOTS! (as the Anons would say.)


This is good idea, but you don't have to go to the Recorders Office like you did back in the mid-80's before the computer and the Internet were invented by Al Gore.

Most Counties in the US have their records available online. I just did a search for my shit and I got a copy of my mortgage and what not in 5 minutes.
 

Mystic

Crusader
Bloody buggers, don't they know THE INTERNET IS FREE?

What if you walk yer bod into their offices and look the info up in the source records? I'll bet that would be a no charge. Well, I'm too poor to be betting. How about a lotta hope?
 

nozeno

Gold Meritorious Patron
Bloody buggers, don't they know THE INTERNET IS FREE?

What if you walk yer bod into their offices and look the info up in the source records? I'll bet that would be a no charge. Well, I'm too poor to be betting. How about a lotta hope?

You would most likely be able to do that, but then you might run into a scilon. They're all over the friggin' place in Clearwater.

There used to be a lot more. I don't know where they went.
 
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Mystic

Crusader
You would most likely be able to do that, but then you might run into a scilon. They're all over the friggin' place in Clearwater.

Oh that would be great. Then you could pull out your

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and blow 'em away.
 

looker

Patron Meritorious
The value of these buildings can be roughly calculated using the rule of 72. What that simply translates to is, real estate tends to double in value every 10 to 12 years due to inflation and appreciation.

So if in the case of a building in 1984 being worth $3.5Mill then in 1994 it would be worth $7Mill then 2004 would be $14Mill and so on. Yet the property tax is somewhat set as a percentage of the original purchase price in 1984.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_72

All you need to find this info is the address and the county the building is in.

The web addresses are fairly standard. For example in California most all the info is set up thusly: The county dot state dot organization. So the address might look like this www.orangecounty.ca.gov.

Here its slightly different for LA county assessor. http://assessor.lacounty.gov/extranet/default.aspx You can Google these easily.

There you can get the Assessor's Parcel Number APN. From that APN you can go to the county offices look up the documents, such as the Deed of Trust and print them anonymously:) for $3 a page.

Its on the Deed of Trust the owners of record will be listed.
The owners of record are responsible for paying the property tax. but Its probably going to be a Corporation like IAS or something.

Hope this helps

Oh as an addition In my case if you click on the property tax links you can click on the APN and it will show you the owners. Your county may do this too.
 
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thetanic

Gold Meritorious Patron
Some California counties have deed and lienholder information online; LA is not one of them. Too many famous people, I suspect.
 
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