Who exits a Church with a Police escort ?

[Free to shine]

Terrific story from Karen on Jeff Hawkin's blog the other day:
http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/walking-like-a-duck/#comments

On a posting on Marty’s blog I mentioned some Sea Org veterans who had to use Hemet Sherriff’s department to actually flee the place….Andre Tabayoyon (google his name), Jeff Walker, (Senior CS INT) Jesse Prince, former D/IG RTC, Marc Headley author of “Blown for Good” and so on.

It is unthinkable that veteran staff leaving, need an escort from LAW ENFORCEMENT to leave a Church. This has not gone un-noticed by Riverside Country Sherriffs and other agencies.

Who exits a Church with a Police escort ??????

Here’s a recent Email excerpt where LAPD has to do the rescue ~~ (25 year veteran fleeing)
QUOTE
As we stepped outside, I saw a pay phone. I immediately jumped at it, dialed 911. “What is your emergency/” “I am being held against my will by the Church of Scientology. I need police protection immediately. “ The blast of adrenaline literally left my body shaking, and my voice trembling. My Security guard clicked the receiver and cut me off. I told him my security guard to back off, at this point I was being held against my will and this is kidnapping. 911 called me right back. I proceeded to get their help. My Security watch was worried –for himself. He blurted out, “Think what they will do to me if I let you go.” (RPF’s RPF)

I felt badly for him but I now needed to watch out for myself.

Within minutes two police cars arrived. I asked if they wouldn’t mind questioning my Guard and delay him so that he doesn’t run off to tell the other security guards. I explained I needed to at least get taken back to the Anthony building to get my things and I would leave. The police were accommodating. I stripped off the shackle of the blue boiler suite and threw it in the trash. Two officers drove me back to the Anthony Building and came in with me.

When an SO officer attempted to intercept them, I simply told her that this was under control, they were with me. They were let through, I went upstairs, gathered my duffle bag. I believe what they saw shocked and awed them – appalling living conditions in full view. One of the officers commented, “ Can you believe this?” looking at the overcrowded berthing, dilapidated ceiling. My final request to them was to drop me off somewhere down Western Avenue away from the area.

One of the officers reminded me that they were not in the business of giving out free rides. I reminded him that as long as I was near them, the security guards could come after me and get me back, and I felt that my life was in danger and required police protection. Well, they surprised me. They drove down Western and turned their sirens on behind a taxi cab and pulled it over. When the driver asked them what he did wrong, they told him to give me a ride to wherever I needed to go.

I thanked the Officers. I headed to the airport. I had my credit card on me. As soon as I got to LAX, I got a one way ticket to New York and took off 20 minutes later On that flight I kept turning around looking for security guards. I made it, I escaped.
UNQUOTE

(Her full story coming out soon ~~ Karen)

LAPD needed to escort someone to safety !!!!!!!!
Religion indeed.

 

[Freeminds]

Ohhh, this one is gonna be good. I can feel it in my body thetans.

Popcorn on standby. Well done Karen!

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

This is great! - I just love these exiting escape stories.. And not knowing who she is yet, I can fantasize that she is someone I very much would like to escape! - Hope springs eternal!

 

[lionheart]

Good spot FTS!

Thanks for giving this some publicity.

It's amazing that the police take no further action. I suppose they assume it is some minor disagreement and once "the peace" is restored and the escapee has escaped there is nothing further for them to do.

One of these days an escapee will file a criminal complaint against the cult for kidnapping or imprisoning against their will and then the police will have to act.

The cult comits crimes and gets away with it because the victim is traumatised and I suppose so relieved to escape that filing criminal charges are not on the top of their list.

Anyone know what the time limit is in the States for filing a criminal charge?

 

[Kookaburra]

Good spot FTS!

Thanks for giving this some publicity.

It's amazing that the police take no further action. I suppose they assume it is some minor disagreement and once "the peace" is restored and the escapee has escaped there is nothing further for them to do.

One of these days an escapee will file a criminal complaint against the cult for kidnapping or imprisoning against their will and then the police will have to act.

The cult comits crimes and gets away with it because the victim is traumatised and I suppose so relieved to escape that filing criminal charges are not on the top of their list.

Anyone know what the time limit is in the States for filing a criminal charge?

The statute of limitations is 7 years, but the police will only file charges if they have a strong case. ie one that they can win.

I look forward to the day when a blowing staff member does bring charges against his captors.

 

[Freeminds]

Anyone know what the time limit is in the States for filing a criminal charge?

Depends on the state, and the crime in question. Assault, for instance, typically runs between two and three years. That's from the date of the assault, not from the date you identify the accused, or decide to start proceedings or anything. Murder has no statute of limitations, but most criminal and civil cases will expire if not pursued. Kidnapping is a tricky one, since it occurs in a broad range of forms, and can vary in purpose and duration.

I'm certain that the routing out process, and indeed all of Scientology, is geared towards keeping you in a condition of doubt long enough for the 'church' to avoid legal action via expiry.

However, a good example of where the statue of limitations does not apply is "fraud upon the court" (perjury). Based upon what others have said about certain prominent Scientologists, I imagine that statements given in court cases could come back and haunt Scientology at some point.

 

[lionheart]

The statute of limitations is 7 years, but the police will only file charges if they have a strong case. ie one that they can win.

I look forward to the day when a blowing staff member does bring charges against his captors.

Depends on the state, and the crime in question. Assault, for instance, typically runs between two and three years. That's from the date of the assault, not from the date you identify the accused, or decide to start proceedings or anything. Murder has no statute of limitations, but most criminal and civil cases will expire if not pursued. Kidnapping is a tricky one, since it occurs in a broad range of forms, and can vary in purpose and duration.

I'm certain that the routing out process, and indeed all of Scientology, is geared towards keeping you in a condition of doubt long enough for the 'church' to avoid legal action via expiry.

However, a good example of where the statue of limitations does not apply is "fraud upon the court" (perjury). Based upon what others have said about certain prominent Scientologists, I imagine that statements given in court cases could come back and haunt Scientology at some point.

Excellent information.

Maybe the police would take it seriously and file charges if two or three escaped at the same time and co-oberated each other's evidence.

As regards perjury, I suppose an escapee who knows an exec's court testimony was false could inform the police? We need a senior exec held in SP Hall to escape. Could they plea bargain to escape perjury charges themselves if they gave evidence?

Hey Marty and Mike - step forward! ......

Was it Annie Broeker who was taken back (kidnapped) in John Travolta's plane by Marty Rathbun? http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/jesse_tape3e.html Although that was probably too long ago now, so Marty is "right" to keep quiet about it!

 

[MrNobody]

Depends on the state, and the crime in question. Assault, for instance, typically runs between two and three years. That's from the date of the assault, not from the date you identify the accused, or decide to start proceedings or anything. Murder has no statute of limitations, but most criminal and civil cases will expire if not pursued. Kidnapping is a tricky one, since it occurs in a broad range of forms, and can vary in purpose and duration.

I'm certain that the routing out process, and indeed all of Scientology, is geared towards keeping you in a condition of doubt long enough for the 'church' to avoid legal action via expiry.

However, a good example of where the statue of limitations does not apply is "fraud upon the court" (perjury). Based upon what others have said about certain prominent Scientologists, I imagine that statements given in court cases could come back and haunt Scientology at some point.

Is there a way to extend or restart the timespan?

Please forgive me my my weak vocabulary, IANAL. I'll try to explain what I mean.

In Germany, when someone owes me money, the timespan for the validity of my claim is 5 years (IIRC), but this 5-year-time gets restarted every time I ask for my money. So if I find that guy after 4.99x years, and demand my money, either in writing or in front of witnesses, the timespan is restarted and I have another 5 years to get my money back. There are similar timespans for some criminal issues, afaik.

I hope I could make clear, what I wanted to say.

My question: are there similar rules or laws in the US or AUS, to restart or extend such legal timespans before they run out?

 

[BC1]

Is this a recent escape?

 

[Kookaburra]

Is this a recent escape?

Karen says it is. So it's very good news.

 

[Freeminds]

Is there a way to extend or restart the timespan?

<snip>

Yes: there are ways to 'reset the clock'. For example if a second, new offense is committed, this will restart the timer at zero. The previous case can also be included in a prosecution, even though on its own it might have reached expiry on the statute of limitations. Under US law, the term for this is interruption.

The clock can also be 'paused' (in the US, this is called suspension) by events pertinent to the case, such as the defendant going missing, or the plaintiff being in a coma, being mentally unwell, or even being a minor (waiting for them to grow up doesn't count as time elapsed).

Exact rulings vary from one country to another; if you need to know these things for certain, consult a lawyer where you live - or at least go to the Citizens' Advice Bureau.

CofS settles a great many lawsuits out of court; don't lose yours through ignorance or because they tell you they're bulletproof: they're not.

 

[Lurker5]

Stories like this

Stories like this do my heart good . Hallelujah !

 

[Lurker5]

Well maybe - on a debt

Is there a way to extend or restart the timespan?

Please forgive me my my weak vocabulary, IANAL. I'll try to explain what I mean.

In Germany, when someone owes me money, the timespan for the validity of my claim is 5 years (IIRC), but this 5-year-time gets restarted every time I ask for my money. So if I find that guy after 4.99x years, and demand my money, either in writing or in front of witnesses, the timespan is restarted and I have another 5 years to get my money back. There are similar timespans for some criminal issues, afaik.

I hope I could make clear, what I wanted to say.

My question: are there similar rules or laws in the US or AUS, to restart or extend such legal timespans before they run out?

Well maybe on a debt - not sure on that, but I am fairly certain that there is no 'restart' time on a crime. When the statute runs, it is dead. There are crimes with no statute - I think murder, and perhaps kidnap. Any lawyers / students / practicing / retired - or cops - out there?

Oh NEVER MIND - seems I didn't read far enough before this post . . . Oops.

 

[MrNobody]

Yes: there are ways to 'reset the clock'. For example if a second, new offense is committed, this will restart the timer at zero. The previous case can also be included in a prosecution, even though on its own it might have reached expiry on the statute of limitations. Under US law, the term for this is interruption.

The clock can also be 'paused' (in the US, this is called suspension) by events pertinent to the case, such as the defendant going missing, or the plaintiff being in a coma, being mentally unwell, or even being a minor (waiting for them to grow up doesn't count as time elapsed).

Exact rulings vary from one country to another; if you need to know these things for certain, consult a lawyer where you live - or at least go to the Citizens' Advice Bureau.

CofS settles a great many lawsuits out of court; don't lose yours through ignorance or because they tell you they're bulletproof: they're not.

Thank you very much, Freeminds, I hope this information will be useful for some people.

Well maybe on a debt - not sure on that, but I am fairly certain that there is no 'restart' time on a crime. When the statute runs, it is dead. There are crimes with no statute - I think murder, and perhaps kidnap. Any lawyers / students / practicing / retired - or cops - out there?

Oh NEVER MIND - seems I didn't read far enough before this post . . . Oops.

 

[anonkatie]

Also in terms of a restart, it is conceivable, but by no means clear case law, that conditions of duress, or "recovered memory" may be used to interrupt or suspend the clock.

 

[Zinjifar]

The charges themselves might go beyond any simple kidnapping or duress and include any number of charges, such as human trafficking, civil rights violations etc. that are elements of an ongoing criminal conspiracy.

And, since it would be ongoing, the clock wouldn't even start ticking until the prosecutor 'became aware' of the crime or, for an individual, until the conspirator 'confessed' and removed himself from the conspiracy. Which would start the clock ticking for *him*, but, not the rest of the co-conspirators.

Example; the one security guard might be the direct target of kidnapping charges, but, those who gave him his orders would be co-conspirators in whatever crimes were ultimately charged.

(and for Sneaky - IANAL)

Zinj

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

My Security watch was worried –for himself. He blurted out, “Think what they will do to me if I let you go.” (RPF’s RPF)

My response would have been, "If you've half a brain, you'll make a run for it too!"

It's certainly disgusting that one has to go to such lengths to escape the cult.

 

[anonkatie]

^^^ This of course is true as well.

If one were to postulate(excuse the word) a RICO conspiracy, for example, which is what I believe authorities might operate under, one would look to any of the incidents as part of the continuing conspiracy.

You can check the caselaw on it, but that's what I would assume would be the avenue.

 

[FlyingMyMonkey]

^^^ This of course is true as well.

If one were to postulate(excuse the word) a RICO conspiracy, for example, which is what I believe authorities might operate under, one would look to any of the incidents as part of the continuing conspiracy.

You can check the caselaw on it, but that's what I would assume would be the avenue.

RICO seems to be the one, consistent, ah-ha! avenue I've heard over and over from those who would know.

Also, as far as I understand, when there's evidence of "obstruction of justice", in general, that statute of limitations clocks gets a reboot and starts all over.

RICO aside, in general the fly in the ointment is any individual going up against any group with big bucks who can afford financially prohibitive delay tactics. In such, only class action lawsuits have a prayer, and only if a large, well funded legal group with adequate research staff takes it on, and such a group Only does so if they know there's big bucks available for their compensation in the group they're going after.

Which leads back to what Larry Brennan and others have stated. The intricate spider web of sci biz set up in order to make access to assets difficult. It reminds me of "poison pill" corporate set up to sidestep mergers or takeovers not in the best interest of shareholders.

Meantime, I'm glad police in Hemet are now more educated and hopefully this will mean even more willingness to aid "escapees".

 

[KissMyStats]

This story is very disturbing. This person must have gone through a living hell to resort to this. And no amount of slick, glossy PR magazines and events and explanations could ever change what the police saw that day.

Congratulations for your GREAT ESCAPE ! A brilliant move. You must have
had them in complete panic and I'm sure many heads rolled after this.

Thank God you are out and free now.