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Gottabrain
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I need some info and I'd like to get it on one thread. I need the lists of Ideal Org donors, the amounts paid for the Ideal Orgs, the amount of rent charged to the orgs by Int for these buildings and any other factual info you guys have on other IAS donation drives.
If at all possible, please provide personal verification on the top donors occupation & financial ability to pay the sums attributed to them if these are very large sums and if you know them personally, and how. (Did you reg this money personally? Did you have an org post in accounts? etc.)
This is what I posted previously. These figures just don't jive with the small number of active Scientologists.
Thanks for all your help.
I worked at USGO Treasury the year all the weird international transfers of service org reserve accounts (not signed by Hubbard or any Scn) initially took place in '79-'80. These were the beginnings of the setup of the new Scn corporate structure. Nobody we know, in or out actually knows what became of those monies. The party line was it was for "legal fees". Our lawyers were in the Cayman Islands? Yeh, right.... But it was a haven for illegal monies that nobody wanted traced back then. Maybe still is, who knows..
SO - Fact #1 - Service Org Reserves were in monetary form (NOT gold, I always heard that rumor too) for many years, just sitting in accounts, up until that time. If gold became a commodity afterward or was used for Int Reserves, I wouldn't know about that personally. The US service org reserves were all transferred out as cash to weird numbered int'l accts - one was definitely in the Cayman Islands, another was believed to be a private Swiss account. Maybe Int reserves and other reserves, too, IDK, but I've already corresponded with someone formerly at FSO Treas about this and confirmed it happened there too, at about the same time.
A bit more research and I found Anon had doxed that L Ron had kept the same accountant all those years and that after these transfers, L Ron complained to him that he wasn't receiving money, which the accountant relayed. The accountant was fired immediately.
So - new lawyers, new accountant(s). But the new accountant takes risks. The new accountant is by no means conservative. And the new accountant's advices were followed by the RTC/CSI execs and structure. Methinks the new accountant is quite versatile with hiding money and misrepresenting it.
So back to the buildings.
There is no way that any stretch of Scn policy ever justified those. DM was raised a Scn, he wouldn't have come up with that all on his own. Heck, his bright ideas don't go beyond a sadistic version of "Musical Chairs" - one of the few things he learned outside of Scn.
The buildings, the set up of the IAS Trust, etc. - all of that was done on advice of the accountant.
Now back to the money. Let's not be naive, folks. Does anyone here seriously believe that DM or any high echelon Scn would care about what LAWS say when it comes to expansion of Scn or making more money? They got away with their money games in '79-'80. Why would they stop now? Who would put the brakes on?
Someone here quoted a statement by C of S in response to Debbie Cook, that "Thousands of Scientologists were thrilled about the new buildings."
NICE FREUDIAN SLIP !!!! And good timing for it, too.
Inflation is about purchase power so has little to do with this. We're talking about income, not purchasing, so wages and salaries are what we look at. Salaries have increased - what - 20% at most since the 80s? Surely not more than that, and many occupations now pay less than they did then, or even the SAME money they did in the 80s or 90s because of the worldwide financial crisis.
Yet it is reported that Flag is making $3 MILLION per week? With at least 3/4 less Scns? When it made $1 million/wk in its 80s Heyday? On top of that, the IAS has a billion in reserves and can fundraise $40 million in a week, and does these sort of massive fundraisings several times a YEAR?
Then QUICKLY spends the money on buildings!!
It doesn't add up.
COS has found some big international donors. The main money is coming from no more than about 500 people. There are probably kickbacks involved. The IAS is probably being used to move monies from questionable sources internationally. And the fundraisers are a cover, a way for those monies to be donated as well as to suck all he can out of the Scn public.
Simplest way to take a hard look at this is to look at all the patron names for the buildings and the amounts each donated. Does it add up to how much DM claims was donated or to the actual cost of the buildings? How well do the org staff know those donors? Are the names duplicated on many other lists? And people like Synthia can verify if they actually know the person and if that person really does have the kind of occupation that could produce that sort of money or have that sort of credit line.
Something very fishy is going on here. And DM has done the FBI a very big favor in his greed and arrogance by brazenly setting up such a hot trail.
If at all possible, please provide personal verification on the top donors occupation & financial ability to pay the sums attributed to them if these are very large sums and if you know them personally, and how. (Did you reg this money personally? Did you have an org post in accounts? etc.)
This is what I posted previously. These figures just don't jive with the small number of active Scientologists.
Thanks for all your help.
I worked at USGO Treasury the year all the weird international transfers of service org reserve accounts (not signed by Hubbard or any Scn) initially took place in '79-'80. These were the beginnings of the setup of the new Scn corporate structure. Nobody we know, in or out actually knows what became of those monies. The party line was it was for "legal fees". Our lawyers were in the Cayman Islands? Yeh, right.... But it was a haven for illegal monies that nobody wanted traced back then. Maybe still is, who knows..
SO - Fact #1 - Service Org Reserves were in monetary form (NOT gold, I always heard that rumor too) for many years, just sitting in accounts, up until that time. If gold became a commodity afterward or was used for Int Reserves, I wouldn't know about that personally. The US service org reserves were all transferred out as cash to weird numbered int'l accts - one was definitely in the Cayman Islands, another was believed to be a private Swiss account. Maybe Int reserves and other reserves, too, IDK, but I've already corresponded with someone formerly at FSO Treas about this and confirmed it happened there too, at about the same time.
A bit more research and I found Anon had doxed that L Ron had kept the same accountant all those years and that after these transfers, L Ron complained to him that he wasn't receiving money, which the accountant relayed. The accountant was fired immediately.
So - new lawyers, new accountant(s). But the new accountant takes risks. The new accountant is by no means conservative. And the new accountant's advices were followed by the RTC/CSI execs and structure. Methinks the new accountant is quite versatile with hiding money and misrepresenting it.
So back to the buildings.
There is no way that any stretch of Scn policy ever justified those. DM was raised a Scn, he wouldn't have come up with that all on his own. Heck, his bright ideas don't go beyond a sadistic version of "Musical Chairs" - one of the few things he learned outside of Scn.
The buildings, the set up of the IAS Trust, etc. - all of that was done on advice of the accountant.
Now back to the money. Let's not be naive, folks. Does anyone here seriously believe that DM or any high echelon Scn would care about what LAWS say when it comes to expansion of Scn or making more money? They got away with their money games in '79-'80. Why would they stop now? Who would put the brakes on?
Someone here quoted a statement by C of S in response to Debbie Cook, that "Thousands of Scientologists were thrilled about the new buildings."
NICE FREUDIAN SLIP !!!! And good timing for it, too.
Inflation is about purchase power so has little to do with this. We're talking about income, not purchasing, so wages and salaries are what we look at. Salaries have increased - what - 20% at most since the 80s? Surely not more than that, and many occupations now pay less than they did then, or even the SAME money they did in the 80s or 90s because of the worldwide financial crisis.
Yet it is reported that Flag is making $3 MILLION per week? With at least 3/4 less Scns? When it made $1 million/wk in its 80s Heyday? On top of that, the IAS has a billion in reserves and can fundraise $40 million in a week, and does these sort of massive fundraisings several times a YEAR?
Then QUICKLY spends the money on buildings!!
It doesn't add up.
COS has found some big international donors. The main money is coming from no more than about 500 people. There are probably kickbacks involved. The IAS is probably being used to move monies from questionable sources internationally. And the fundraisers are a cover, a way for those monies to be donated as well as to suck all he can out of the Scn public.
Simplest way to take a hard look at this is to look at all the patron names for the buildings and the amounts each donated. Does it add up to how much DM claims was donated or to the actual cost of the buildings? How well do the org staff know those donors? Are the names duplicated on many other lists? And people like Synthia can verify if they actually know the person and if that person really does have the kind of occupation that could produce that sort of money or have that sort of credit line.
Something very fishy is going on here. And DM has done the FBI a very big favor in his greed and arrogance by brazenly setting up such a hot trail.