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Who is the most dangerous person to Scientology?

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
Awesome OP Hoaxie!

My initial thought was (and still is) to 'Who is most dangerous person to CoS' goes something like this: Any non-scientologist who takes the time to do a few hours of research into the history of the 'church' and It's founder, and gets so pissed off at the past and continuing abuses, that they'll become active critics/protesters/disseminators for truth and justice. More dangerous if succinct and Anonymous, hard to fight the nameless/faceless shadows on the wall :guyfawkes: ...

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TEoS

Patron with Honors
I go for Tom Cruise. Simply because just about everyone on the planet knows who he is and he has the mass, global media at his beck and call. If Rinder ever grew some and made a press statement revealing all the shit he was involved in, 99% of Joe Public would go, "who?" and probably, "Who cares?" Rinder knows more than TC for sure, and to those of us that know his history, he is the more important person, but nobody outside of cult-watching circles knows him.

If Tom Cruise blew and went on CNN to tell how he had been conned and coerced into keeping in line, perhaps threatened with having his files made public, and that he was aware of Slappy's violent ways, I think the effect would be almost instantaneously catastrophic for the CoS. Say what you want about tiny Tom, but he still has star power and the ability to make global news at the drop of a hat. I think Cruise could literally ruin the church if he chose to do so.
 

Carmel

Crusader
I go for Tom Cruise. Simply because just about everyone on the planet knows who he is and he has the mass, global media at his beck and call. If Rinder ever grew some and made a press statement revealing all the shit he was involved in, 99% of Joe Public would go, "who?" and probably, "Who cares?" Rinder knows more than TC for sure, and to those of us that know his history, he is the more important person, but nobody outside of cult-watching circles knows him.

If Tom Cruise blew and went on CNN to tell how he had been conned and coerced into keeping in line, perhaps threatened with having his files made public, and that he was aware of Slappy's violent ways, I think the effect would be almost instantaneously catastrophic for the CoS. Say what you want about tiny Tom, but he still has star power and the ability to make global news at the drop of a hat. I think Cruise could literally ruin the church if he chose to do so.
If we're talkin' celebs, just cause they are celebs, I'd say Travolta would be the one..........He has a lot more respect than Tom does, and he comes across as a lot more honest.
 

TEoS

Patron with Honors
If we're talkin' celebs, just cause they are celebs, I'd say Travolta would be the one..........He has a lot more respect than Tom does, and he comes across as a lot more honest.


I thought about Travolta, but I don't think it would have as big an impact now. People have expecting it because of Jett. Don't get me wrong though, if Travolta blew, that too would be massive, especially if he accused the CoS of blackmailing him to stay after Jett died.
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
Unfortunately, due to the bubble the celebs are kept in, it is not so much a 'danger' in my opinion, they know very little until they actually leave (Jason B for example), and the 'danger' involved is their public profile and ability to get a curious public to take a deeper look at things, ergo> danger to the cult's bottom line.

As pointed out in the origional post, and I concur, I think that the good-squad hired by cult are the ones DM should be concerned about, and they themselves should be concerned about their own well-being (funny how shit can happen when you have no b/u), though I'm sure they have pretty well paid to stfu.

@TEoS, nice ta see ya out and about mate! :D
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
I go for Tom Cruise. Simply because just about everyone on the planet knows who he is and he has the mass, global media at his beck and call. If Rinder ever grew some and made a press statement revealing all the shit he was involved in, 99% of Joe Public would go, "who?" and probably, "Who cares?" Rinder knows more than TC for sure, and to those of us that know his history, he is the more important person, but nobody outside of cult-watching circles knows him. If Tom Cruise blew and went on CNN to tell how he had been conned and coerced into keeping in line, perhaps threatened with having his files made public, and that he was aware of Slappy's violent ways, I think the effect would be almost instantaneously catastrophic for the CoS. Say what you want about tiny Tom, but he still has star power and the ability to make global news at the drop of a hat. I think Cruise could literally ruin the church if he chose to do so.

100% agreed!

The only reason Cruise is logged in at #10 is that his current "danger factor" has been discounted (today only) because he is unlikely to take any negative action vs. Scientology right now.

He is unquestionably the #1 Most Dangerous SP Alive---if he wakes up.

He could do more lethal damage to Scientology in 15 seconds than the rest of the list could in a year combined, simply by going on Oprah's show and starting his interview by looking into the camera and beginning with these sincere, heart-felt words:

"I owe everyone a huge apology. I am so, so sorry. I actually went quite insane because of Scientology and it's lies. I am here today because I don't want Scientology to also victimize, defraud and enslave you or your loved ones or your God-forbid, your children."

That should pretty much do it, cuz they haven't developed curtain-tech to block out TV's yet.
 

Carmel

Crusader
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It is only when those lies are articulated and framed within a larger THEME that they have cumulative weight. Like a great courtroom attorney who has exhaustively prepared their case for months-long trial, everything is documented and done to build towards the Final Closing Argument which ties it all together under one binding that has the name of the book stamped on the cover.

That is the illuminating moment that the jury "gets it".

In literature, film and theatre it is what is commonly called the "third act climax". All of the known and not really understandable expositional material leading up to that moment is singularly defined in a moment of blinding clarity. And all of the vague, fuzzy pieces are aligned with a "flood of insight" about what it all means and how it fits together like a perfectly solved puzzle. ("OH! So that explains why.........")

That's what provides the traction and momentum to hit critical speed. The individual facts are, otherwise, like shooting a million bb's at an elephant. Each one bounces off. Doesn't matter how many are shot.
Spot on.

When I look at where it's at today, it's kinda like "the case" has already started. The opening statement has included mention of the lies, and currently the witnesses are giving their testimonies, while some "framing" is in play......Looking forward to "final closing argument". :)

By the way, I received a personal message from Aaron informing me that he and he alone was the most dangerous person for Scientology. He added that, although not yet completed, his scientific research also indicates that he is the only person that even exists, period. :D
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No comment. :whistling:
 

Shredder

Patron with Honors
Spot on.

When I look at where it's at today, it's kinda like "the case" has already started. The opening statement has included mention of the lies, and currently the witnesses are giving their testimonies, while some "framing" is in play......Looking forward to "final closing argument". :)


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No comment. :whistling:

Lol Very funny!! Yep, - Aaron S. always was a sucker for the serious - it seems that he must try and position himself there - and from his outlook it has to be the all heavy serious stuff - I'm sure he'd feel better, enjoy life more if he could just have a laugh sometimes, he might even see the funny side of this - a little humor goes a long way!

and I have to say I'm surprised John Travolta hasn't come up until you mentioned him and why, Carmel - definitely he has far more universal charisma than TC could ever have, (as you say, as far as celebs go) so it makes sense that he would definitely be the best weapon, and definitely THE most dangerous person to CofS. It won't be long.
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
who would be the most dangerous?

Lyman Spurlock would be one - he knows the entire legal stucture, Carl Held in NEP would be another.

Diana Hubbard and Suzette would be another pair of very dangerous people - their name alone would carry gravitas in any criticism.

But in truth I think the most dangerous people for the CofS are Andreas Heldal-Lund and Emma.

They have provided a place for free discussion of Scientology - and it is free, open transparent discussion (and even disagreement) that is the biggest anathema to Scientology.

It's not attacking Scientology that will cause it's long overdue demise - it is laughing at it.

Which is why Rathbun does not even come close.
 

FoTi

Crusader
100% agreed!

The only reason Cruise is logged in at #10 is that his current "danger factor" has been discounted (today only) because he is unlikely to take any negative action vs. Scientology right now.

He is unquestionably the #1 Most Dangerous SP Alive---if he wakes up.

He could do more lethal damage to Scientology in 15 seconds than the rest of the list could in a year combined, simply by going on Oprah's show and starting his interview by looking into the camera and beginning with these sincere, heart-felt words:

"I owe everyone a huge apology. I am so, so sorry. I actually went quite insane because of Scientology and it's lies. I am here today because I don't want Scientology to also victimize, defraud and enslave you or your loved ones or your God-forbid, your children."

That should pretty much do it, cuz they haven't developed curtain-tech to block out TV's yet.

I have to go along with Cruise, as well, if he ever woke up and saw what was going on, or even suspected it and started investigating on his own without telling DM. He might even be able to get into Int with a hidden camera and take some telling pics, since he's been welcome there before. But even if he didn't, his going on Oprah with this info, denouncing Scn, would be seen all around the world and then picked up by every newspaper, and TV network , as well as being a major blitz on the internet, just about everyone in the world would have heard his message.

I'm sure then that he could get Oprah to follow up with shows of other people, celebs who have left, as well as exes from Int and kids who were raised in the SO, etc., and would probably be booked on every major and minor talk show that could get their hands on him. I think it would be the biggest scandal to hit Hollywood in a long, long time and would be the shot heard round the world. There could be a lot of shows done on this and he might even be instrumental on producing a major film on this.

Also, being who he is, right before coming out on national TV, he could have a party at his house....I'm sure he has a theater in his home, or could set up such a situation where he lives. He could do a major invite to those on lines at CC and present it to all of them at once, along with some of the key people that have left, that maybe a lot of them don't know about and maybe some film of the guys on the RPF. I'm sure a lot of them would be in shock, but ....hey, isn't he a best friend to DM? And wouldn't people tend to believe him? .... especially if he could get pics of the RPFers at Int with a hidden camera...(Hey, guys, look what I found.) He could even let them know that they could still do their services outside the church, if they wanted to continue, with people who are highly trained that left the church because of the outnesses. (I think people generally won't leave because they don't know they can get it somewhere else.) I think if he did it right, he could really impinge on these people and put major doubts in their thinking that wouldn't go away or be audited out and would shock them awake. Hey, maybe even Kristie (I know, wrong spelling) could get some handling outside CoS and get off the by passed charge on all those sec checks that have been forced on her for all these years and maybe, just maybe, the weight would come off. :whistling:

I bet he could deal a major blow to CC as well as keeping any future celebs from joining, or maybe even continuing with their services, and any other people besides celebs, in the world, from getting involved. Every magazine in the world would be running a major story on this.

Katie would finally be able to speak out and so would Nicole. I think the thing would snowball like mad and the CoS would die of asphixiation...no more public, no more money...no more CoS. I have my doubts that JT would ever come out and say anything, though, until it was dead. I don't think he would have the courage, and he seems to me to be too private a person. I might be totally wrong, but my guess is that he might be too embarassed to ever say anything publicly.

I also think that he might be able to be instrumental in influencing politicians and the government to do an investigation into the CoS and help to refund people's money, thereby leaving DM and the CoS broke. Ha, ha,...no more lawsuits. :happydance:

He could set up a platform from where all the other people could speak out publicly and be heard round the world because he would be there with them. Marc Headley and all the other guys would get more air time and press time than they had before.

He could author a book....."What it was like to be a celeb in the CoS and what I finally found out". It would sell millions of copies, or maybe even become a movie.

The studios would probably welcome him back with open arms, with all the publicity he was getting (and knowing that they wouldn't have to have yellow tents on the set any more :p)... and the public would love him again. I think he would gain a lot of his popularity back because of his honesty.

He could knock tinsel town on it's ear as far as Scientology is concerned. Can you imagine trying to body route someone into an org or sell a book or try to get public in the door to do any kind of a service, anywhere in the world, after a world wide show like that?

DM would be a little upset, but, hey, isn't TC supposed to do the greatest good for the greatest number, per LRH? LRH also said that honesty is the best policy, even though he didn't live his life that way, but then LRH wasn't really ever a Scientologist, was he? And apparently, neither is DM.

Well, unless TC wakes up and is smart enough, courageous enough, and honest enough to do something like this, it will probably never happen, but I can dream, can't I? :eyeroll:

I think TC could do the most damage, if he ever decided to do so. :yes:

None of the above is factual, it's is just my opinon of how I think things might be. :soapbox: I'll get down off here now. :p
 

Martini

Patron Meritorious
Larry Anderson could be very dangerous.

The real thing to ponder is the POWER contained in grouping them all together.

Combining all well known defectors, the power could be crystallized with something like the following:

Make an all new "Orientation" film with Larry as host, and really do it right, in a very similar vein to the original, only this time, with people interviewed like Rathbun, Rinder, Jason Beghe, Jenna Miscavige, Paul Haggis, Marc Headley, etc.

Put it on You Tube, then email a link to all Scientologists on Facebook. The ending should have a link to where all can go to and sign a petition demanding Miscavige's resignation.

:thumbsup:
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
I was tempted to say either Rinder or Rathbun, but on reflection I've come to the conclusion that they are no threat to Scientology at all.
 

Markus

Silver Meritorious Patron
Very wise Smilla

I was tempted to say either Rinder or Rathbun, but on reflection I've come to the conclusion that they are no threat to Scientology at all.

Yes indeed - very wise post - as most of yours- Smilla:yes:

Rinder and Rathburn are right now no threat to Scientology at all.

Well - They could be a threat for organized Scientology in its current shape.

If they really wake up one day from Mr. Hubbards hypnosis they will be a threat to Scientology. i.e. they both would be able to help stoping Hubbards brainwashing on "true Scientology believers"

Love
Markus
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
It's about sparking in others the undeniably compelling realization that Scientology LIES.

You got it.

What brought Nixon down was not Watergate, but the attempted coverup.

What got Bill Clinton impeached was the perjury.

Being lied to is something EVERYBODY has reality on. The idea that Scientology is just a lying con is something that people can easily wrap their minds around.
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
You got it.

What brought Nixon down was not Watergate, but the attempted coverup.

What got Bill Clinton impeached was the perjury.

Being lied to is something EVERYBODY has reality on. The idea that Scientology is just a lying con is something that people can easily wrap their minds around.
So true, and being lied to makes people angry. Stupid cult.
 

Telepathetic

Gold Meritorious Patron
You got it.

What brought Nixon down was not Watergate, but the attempted coverup.

What got Bill Clinton impeached was the perjury.

Being lied to is something EVERYBODY has reality on. The idea that Scientology is just a lying con is something that people can easily wrap their minds around.

:thumbsup:

TP
 

AlphOhm

Traveler of time/space
who would be the most dangerous?

Lyman Spurlock would be one - he knows the entire legal stucture, Carl Held in NEP would be another.

Diana Hubbard and Suzette would be another pair of very dangerous people - their name alone would carry gravitas in any criticism.

But in truth I think the most dangerous people for the CofS are Andreas Heldal-Lund and Emma.

They have provided a place for free discussion of Scientology - and it is free, open transparent discussion (and even disagreement) that is the biggest anathema to Scientology.

It's not attacking Scientology that will cause it's long overdue demise - it is laughing at it.

Which is why Rathbun does not even come close.

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Here my friend, looks like you have something brown stuck on your nose.

















:hysterical:
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Amongs my many reasons for thinking it's Rinder is this;

Currently active scientologists actually believe what Rinder has said in defending the CofS (back when he was doing that). Like Heber before him, he was the Official Liar and did it with aplomb. Rinder is *much* more real as a Face Of Scientology to the current generation (post Miscavige) than Heber.

Scientologists have a siege mentality which is fostered and encouraged by those who would control them. Rinder is still thought of as The Defender Of The Faith.

Hearing Rinder's rebuttals of criticisms of scientology gave aid and comfort to all scientologists. Hearing Rinder describe the motives of critics and the "absurdity of their lies" reassured scientologists and calmed niggling doubts.

When I tell ANZO scientologists that Rathbun and Rinder are out, their reaction to the two names tells me which defection is the most disconcerting to them. It's always Rinder.

The self-created, defensive bulwarks of the scientologist-under-siege are built on lies they've accepted as truths. Rinder helped build those bulwarks and he knows exactly where the keystones are.
 
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