Who still uses any parts or ideas from Hubbard at all ?

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Patron Meritorious
Looking up words in the dictionary if I happen to have one. Communication, listening but these things are not Scientology inventions, they are common place decency, common sense and manners. Some of this stuff Hubbard cherry picked and stole, I understand. I may do a touch assist if I thought it would be needed.
 
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Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
Tone scale, theories about mental mechanisms, theta/spirituality...stuff like that.

The stuff I really like is, in a way, perhaps a bit mystical. Thing is, Hubbard claimed to disdain mysticism. I find this annoying and puzzling.
 

Ho Tai

Patron Meritorious
If you reject every bit of the tech, then you are also rejecting some good ideas that Hubbard stole from others or, perhaps, even came up with himself (the man was many not-so-good things but he was not an idiot). It will not serve you well to dogmatically reject every concept in $cn. Personally, I will stop someone who is telling me something and uses a word I don't understand, and ask them what that word means. I think that is showing respect to the person by letting them know that you want to understand what they are saying. I didn't do that prior to $cn.

Also, and this is a little weird, I had, during my $cn days, some powerful reactions to being made aware of missed withholds. Even today when I have a reaction to something that seems stronger than it should be, I will look at myself and think about a withhold maybe being missed and sometimes I am right.

Finally, there was some concept that I can't remember the shorthand for, but it had to do with mentally creating a fault in a person who has done something you think was against you in order to make it OK to do something against them. Maybe that was the overt/motivator sequence (oh how happy I am to have that phrase pop into my mind after many years.)

The only problem I have with using bits of the "tech" is that when I am aware of making use of it, it reminds me of where I picked it up and that does not take me to a good place.
 
Tone scale, theories about mental mechanisms, theta/spirituality...stuff like that.

The stuff I really like is, in a way, perhaps a bit mystical. Thing is, Hubbard claimed to disdain mysticism. I find this annoying and puzzling.

elron pissed all over everything but elron fluff. still, one should be wary of getting fogged into some foggy myticism of which much is available...

actually, much of the lrh/csi imprimatur is impressive for clarity; e.g. "exterioriation" is much easier to grasp than "astral projection". the somewhat daft and rather cantankerous rumswilling old goat succeeded in striking a theme in dmsmh when he spoke of considering the mind from an engineering perspective which continues into the discussion of the spirit

but...

the downside of this virtue is the whole thing is strong in knowledge/mind/spirit/yang and weak in wisdom/heart/soul/yin; ethics sans ethos...
 

AnonLover

Patron Meritorious
Simple question : who here uses ANYTHING at all they got from Hub ?
In the Church of Scientology Exit Survey I coordinated a few years ago, a similar question was asked.

While 270/448 respondents (60%) said "None" I was a bit surprised that 76 people (17%) said: I use Scientology for my own benefit even though I'm not taking courses or getting audited from the CofS or independent field.

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Knows

Gold Meritorious Patron
I spent $60,000 on a Wise Consultant and now pay my phone bill before all others so that I can stay in business as I file BK due to donating all of my money to the Ideal Org and the IAS.

If it were not for that piece of tech - I would have never figured that one out and my business would have gone bunk.

Thank you Ron, Sir, for the tech!

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Dave B.

Maximus Ultimus Mostimus
Looking up words in the dictionary if I happen to have one. Communication, listening but these things are not Scientology inventions, they are common place decency, common sense and manners. Some of this stuff Hubbard cherry picked and stole, I understand. I may do a touch assist if I thought it would be needed.

Exactly.

Hubbard did not invent anything. It existed beforehand. He collated/described/ things. Fats didn't invent the ARC triangle. Sorry to burst your bubble, clams.

Cluex4 for OT8's, Hubbard= Not God.
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You poor $cn. idiots.
 

Osiris

Patron with Honors
The thing I learned & use from my time in Scientology

Is to be very weary of people who try to pressure sell me anything, or who try to covertly trick me into something, or who tell me things on the verge of being too good to be true .....

Alarm bells start to ring in my mind ....... what they may be up to ....... & I get ready to get the hell out of there.
 

anondelmundial

Patron with Honors
The thing I learned & use from my time in Scientology

Is to be very weary of people who try to pressure sell me anything, or who try to covertly trick me into something, or who tell me things on the verge of being too good to be true .....

Alarm bells start to ring in my mind ....... what they may be up to ....... & I get ready to get the hell out of there.

You are entirely normal! Yes, GETTING THE HELL OUT should be a normal response.
 

Helena Handbasket

Gold Meritorious Patron
The thing I learned & use from my time in Scientology

Is to be very weary of people who try to pressure sell me anything, or who try to covertly trick me into something, or who tell me things on the verge of being too good to be true .....

Alarm bells start to ring in my mind ....... what they may be up to ....... & I get ready to get the hell out of there.
Never trust anyone who has something to sell.

Oh, and may we please have a good farming season this year, Osiris? :)

Helena
 

JustSheila

Crusader
I forgot where, but somewhere L Ron said, "Intelligence is the ability to withhold."

Just friggin' unforgettable statement from the man who demanded complete spillage of all known secrets from everyone!

And yet --

There is something to be said about knowing what to say and when to say it and to whom what discloses exactly what information.

He was a pro at that. What a manipulator and bullshit artist.

As a Sagittarian, though, (or someone who just tends to be too blunt and outspoken), the ability to withhold has been a lifelong failed endeavor.

Oh well. At least I remembered that much. :confused2:
 

Helena Handbasket

Gold Meritorious Patron
I forgot where, but somewhere L Ron said, "Intelligence is the ability to withhold."

Just friggin' unforgettable statement from the man who demanded complete spillage of all known secrets from everyone!
I've said this before and I'll say it again ...

The way to avoid giving up a withhold in session is to say no while loudly thinking YES!!

Helena
 

Cat's Squirrel

Gold Meritorious Patron
I forgot where, but somewhere L Ron said, "Intelligence is the ability to withhold."

Just friggin' unforgettable statement from the man who demanded complete spillage of all known secrets from everyone!

And yet --

There is something to be said about knowing what to say and when to say it and to whom what discloses exactly what information.

He was a pro at that. What a manipulator and bullshit artist.

As a Sagittarian, though, (or someone who just tends to be too blunt and outspoken), the ability to withhold has been a lifelong failed endeavor.

Oh well. At least I remembered that much. :confused2:

Good post Sheila. I'm a Piscean, so I'm by nature more secretive and "withholdy" than you are - and yet, I do think there's value in openness as long as it's mutual. The problem with the CofS, of course, is that it isn't mutual. People on the lower rungs of the organisation have to give up all their secrets, whereas those in the upper echelons can live high off the hog from their parishioners' donations without feeling any need to disclose the fact to them.
 
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JustSheila

Crusader
Good post Sheila. I'm a Piscean, so I'm by nature more secretive and "withholdy" than you are - and yet, I do think there's value in openness as long as it's mutual. The problem with the CofS, of course, is that it isn't mutual. People of the lower rungs of the organisation have to give up all their secrets, whereas those in the upper echelons can live high off the hog from their parishioners' donations without feeling any need to disclose the fact to them.

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Thanks, CS. And you're absolutely right - sincerity is a one-way street in Scientology.

And how spot-on is the part you said that I bolded? That applies to just everything.

In relationships, that's one of those undefined things that balances a relationship. As open as I am, I've been absolutely freaked out when within a matter of days some guy tells me every single thing about himself, and I've done the same to other men (but it takes me a little longer than a few days, lol).

Because of the Scientology experience, I am probably a bit too suspicious of those who aren't upfront early on when I meet them. I'm not bad at differentiating a partial truth from the real deal, but perhaps sometimes in real life, a partial truth is enough honesty for the situation. Scientology was just a scam scam scam that played us by demanding so much more than it ever gave back (which was definitely in the Red Band negative range).
 

Osiris

Patron with Honors
As a Sagittarian, though, (or someone who just tends to be too blunt and outspoken), the ability to withhold has been a lifelong failed endeavor.

You're a great Communicator JustSheila .... you have the gift to communicate what you want to say beautifully .... I have seen your videos ..... Its ok to say what you think

I'm a Scorpio ...... I am more of an organizer ....
 
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