Who was the first person to be held against their will by Hubbard's Cult?

I'm sure at first, just as every other conman, Hubbard looked at his customers as a disposable commodity, in fact he probably was happy to see them go after he shook them down for all he could, but then it went from self-help con-game based on pop-psychology and cheesy science fiction to full blown cult.


Who actually was the first victim to be held against his or her will after it made the transition?
 

apocalyptic

Patron with Honors
I'm sure at first, just as every other conman, Hubbard looked at his customers as a disposable commodity, in fact he probably was happy to see them go after he shook them down for all he could, but then it went from self-help con-game based on pop-psychology and cheesy science fiction to full blown cult.


Who actually was the first victim to be held against his or her will after it made the transition?

Great question.

The answer being equally great.

Time will tell.

Apocalyptic
 
Well, he kidnapped his daughter, Alexis Valerie Hubbard, known at the time as "Lexie" and took her overseas when she was a tiny tot to force his then wife Sara to relinquish all claims on Dianetics/Scientology and grant him a divorce on his terms (California being a community property state, she would otherwise be entitled to half of everything he had made in the organization during their marriage.)

I think his little daughter, whom he later disavowed and disowned...was the first victim of kidnapping, unlawful detention and flight that I can see. :no:

Why I see him as sociopathic, he should have done time for this!

http://www.spaink.net/cos/LRH-bio/olsen.htm

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/la-mirror-kidnapping-022651.htm

http://www.spaink.net/cos/LRH-bio/dessler.htm

http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfm10.htm

http://www.spaink.net/cos/LRH-bio/sara.htm

"(f) That in January, 1951, at Palm Springs, while
plaintiff was getting out of an automobile operated by said Hubbard
he intentionally started the said car in gear, thus propelling
plaintiff to the pavement resulting in serious personal injury.

(g) That plaintiff and her medical advisors, following
the foregoing incidents, concluded that said Hubbard was hopelessly
insane, and crazy, and that there was no present hope for said
Hubbard, or any reason for her to indure [sic] further; that competent
medical advisors recommended that said Hubbard be committed to
a private sanitarium for psychiatric observation and treatment
of a mental ailment known as paranoid schizophrenia; that
plaintiff, on the 23rd day of February, 1951, caused the national
executive officer of the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation at
Elizabeth, New Jersey, to be advised of said preliminary diagnosis
and urgent need for treatment; that said national officer immedi-
ately advised said Hubbard of said diagnosis.

(h) That at 11;00 o'clock P.M., on said 23rd day of
February, 1951, said Hubbard, together with defendant Frank B.
Dessler, head of the Los Angeles Dianetic Foundation, abducted the
infant child of the parties, Alexis from her crib, and deposited
said infant in West Los Angeles with defendant Vince Mc Gonigle
under the assumed name of Anne Marie Olson, and concealed said
infant from plaintiff until this day. That this was admitted by
said Dessler in the habeas corpus proceedings filed on the 10th
day of April, 1951 entitled In re Alexis Valorie Hubbard, Los
Angeles Superior Court Number H.C. 35879.

(i) That said Hubbard, Dessler and defendant Richard B.
De Mille, having secreted said infant child, feloniously dragged

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plaintiff out of her bed attired only in her night gown, it then being
1;00 o'clock A.M., of the morning of the 24th day of February, 1951,
and by the use of threats, strangulation, torture, and false promises
to return her child to her, carried and kidnapped plaintiff to Yuma,
Arizona, all as is detailed at length in the habeas corpus
proceeding above mentioned.

(j) That plaintiff has ever since sought the
whereabouts of her infant child, and has consulted attorneys, police,
sheriffs, Federal Bureau Of Investigation agents, and courts, and has
brought said habeas corpus proceedings; that said Hubbard and his
attorneys refuse any information as to the whereabouts of her infant
child, unless she goes back to live with said Hubbard, an alternative
that means certain continued torture and possible death, a predicament
no good woman, wife and mother should have to face.

(k) That through all her trials and tribulations, and up
until the month of February, 1951, plaintiff bore her suffering and
sorrows in silence and even now would not bare the truth to the
world, except for the compelling advice of her attorney, Caryl
Warner, that she tell the truth for the truth will make her free, and
the truth alone, will bring back her baby, if alive.

(l) That by reason of the foregoing crazy misconduct
of said Hubbard, plaintiff is in hourly fear of both the life of
herself and of her infant daughter, who she has not seen for two
months.

That all of said acts on the part of said Hubbard towards
the plaintiff have been without cause or justification, and without
the consent of the plaintiff, and have caused her great mental anguish
and horrible physical suffering."

So I vote for Alexis, his tiny 9 or 11 month old daughter...I'm not sure of her exact age at the time, but less than a year old...to be used as a bargaining chip to control his wife in his divorce proceedings (successfully, sadly) unless of course you want to consider his then wife, Sara, as his first kidnap victim...
 
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Sindy

Crusader
Good one! I second that vote. Well, he certainly didn't show any type of favoritism toward his own kids, now did he?
 

Mystic

Crusader
Yes, taking a child fits well into the standard L. Ron Hubbard :grouch: worthless piece-of-shitness he was.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
Well, he kidnapped his daughter, Alexis Valerie Hubbard, known at the time as "Lexie" and took her overseas when she was a a tiny tot to force his then wife to relinquish all claims on Dianetics/Scientology and grant him a divorce on his terms (California being a community property state, she would otherwise be entitled to half of everything he had made in the organization during their marriage.)

I think his little daughter, whom he later disavowed and disowned...was the first victim of kidnapping, unlawful detention and flight that I can see. :no:

Why I see him as sociopathic, he should have done time for this!

http://www.spaink.net/cos/LRH-bio/olsen.htm

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/la-mirror-kidnapping-022651.htm

http://www.spaink.net/cos/LRH-bio/dessler.htm

http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfm10.htm

http://www.spaink.net/cos/LRH-bio/sara.htm

"(f) That in January, 1951, at Palm Springs, while
plaintiff was getting out of an automobile operated by said Hubbard
he intentionally started the said car in gear, thus propelling
plaintiff to the pavement resulting in serious personal injury.

(g) That plaintiff and her medical advisors, following
the foregoing incidents, concluded that said Hubbard was hopelessly
insane, and crazy, and that there was no present hope for said
Hubbard, or any reason for her to indure [sic] further; that competent
medical advisors recommended that said Hubbard be committed to
a private sanitarium for psychiatric observation and treatment
of a mental ailment known as paranoid schizophrenia; that
plaintiff, on the 23rd day of February, 1951, caused the national
executive officer of the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation at
Elizabeth, New Jersey, to be advised of said preliminary diagnosis
and urgent need for treatment; that said national officer immedi-
ately advised said Hubbard of said diagnosis.

(h) That at 11;00 o'clock P.M., on said 23rd day of
February, 1951, said Hubbard, together with defendant Frank B.
Dessler, head of the Los Angeles Dianetic Foundation, abducted the
infant child of the parties, Alexis from her crib, and deposited
said infant in West Los Angeles with defendant Vince Mc Gonigle
under the assumed name of Anne Marie Olson, and concealed said
infant from plaintiff until this day. That this was admitted by
said Dessler in the habeas corpus proceedings filed on the 10th
day of April, 1951 entitled In re Alexis Valorie Hubbard, Los
Angeles Superior Court Number H.C. 35879.

(i) That said Hubbard, Dessler and defendant Richard B.
De Mille, having secreted said infant child, feloniously dragged

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plaintiff out of her bed attired only in her night gown, it then being
1;00 o'clock A.M., of the morning of the 24th day of February, 1951,
and by the use of threats, strangulation, torture, and false promises
to return her child to her, carried and kidnapped plaintiff to Yuma,
Arizona, all as is detailed at length in the habeas corpus
proceeding above mentioned.

(j) That plaintiff has ever since sought the
whereabouts of her infant child, and has consulted attorneys, police,
sheriffs, Federal Bureau Of Investigation agents, and courts, and has
brought said habeas corpus proceedings; that said Hubbard and his
attorneys refuse any information as to the whereabouts of her infant
child, unless she goes back to live with said Hubbard, an alternative
that means certain continued torture and possible death, a predicament
no good woman, wife and mother should have to face.

(k) That through all her trials and tribulations, and up
until the month of February, 1951, plaintiff bore her suffering and
sorrows in silence and even now would not bare the truth to the
world, except for the compelling advice of her attorney, Caryl
Warner, that she tell the truth for the truth will make her free, and
the truth alone, will bring back her baby, if alive.

(l) That by reason of the foregoing crazy misconduct
of said Hubbard, plaintiff is in hourly fear of both the life of
herself and of her infant daughter, who she has not seen for two
months.

That all of said acts on the part of said Hubbard towards
the plaintiff have been without cause or justification, and without
the consent of the plaintiff, and have caused her great mental anguish
and horrible physical suffering."

So I vote for Alexis, his tiny 9 or 11 month old daughter...I'm not sure of her exact age at the time, but less than a year old...to be used as a bargaining chip to control his wife in his divorce proceedings (successfully, sadly) unless of course you want to consider his then wife, Sara, as his first kidnap victim...



Let's all stand and give the Commodore a big round of applause!

Let's cheer HIP HIP HOORAY for Mankind's Greatest Friend.

Hey, he never said he was Womankind's Greatest Friend, so what's the big deal about beating his wife and kidnapping an infant?

ML

Billy Blowdown
OT VIII
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
I found this here on the board

''Sara left Hubbard early in 1951, accusing him of being "paranoid schizophrenic." Hubbard, perhaps having a legitimate worry in this regard, retaliated by first kidnapping Alexis from the Hubbard Dianetics Foundation premises in Los Angeles, and then by kidnapping Sara and trying to have her declared insane in order to prevent her from doing same to him.

Sara Hubbard, in her divorce complaint, alleged that Hubbard had "repeatedly subjected her to systematic torture, including loss of sleep, beatings, and strangulations and scientific torture experiments." According to Sara, when Hubbard realized that a divorce was inevitable, he asked Sara to kill herself, fearing that a divorce would ruin his reputation.

She said that Hubbard kept her from sleeping for four days, then gave her sleeping pills, nearly killing her. And that once when he nearly strangled her, he ruptured the eustachian tube in her ear, permanently impairing her hearing.


I beleive I've read somewhere in the court transcript that she alleged that he locked her when he sleep deprived her!

TO LRH - great humanitarian - self proclaimed lord buddha and messiah
:clap:
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Let's all stand and give the Commodore a big round of applause!

Let's cheer HIP HIP HOORAY for Mankind's Greatest Friend.

Hey, he never said he was Womankind's Greatest Friend, so what's the big deal about beating his wife and kidnapping an infant?

ML

Billy Blowdown
OT VIII


Thank you for sticking up for our beloved CommodeDoor, Billy. :biggrin:

After all, children are just big beings in little bodies and "A Thetan Knows"! El Ron was doing the right thing by providing a change of environment so that Hisself’s daughter could destimulate from her KGP operative mother. Thank you for sticking up for our beloved CommodeDoor, Billy. :thumbsup:

After all, children are just big beings in little bodies and "A Thetan Knows"! El Ron was doing the right thing by providing a change of environment so that Hisself’s daughter could destimulate from her KGB operative mother. :eyeroll:

I'm confident that Marty, The Knowing One will set the record straight for us someday. :whistling:

Face :)
 
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Oneflewover

Patron with Honors
E/S...... he kidnapped a leading rival for youngest Eagle scoutdom, and kept him in an outhouse for 10 days. And what's worse, he kept using the outhouse all that time too. Sick.
 

Veda

Sponsor
I found this here on the board

''Sara left Hubbard early in 1951, accusing him of being "paranoid schizophrenic." Hubbard, perhaps having a legitimate worry in this regard, retaliated by first kidnapping Alexis from the Hubbard Dianetics Foundation premises in Los Angeles, and then by kidnapping Sara and trying to have her declared insane in order to prevent her from doing same to him.

Sara Hubbard, in her divorce complaint, alleged that Hubbard had "repeatedly subjected her to systematic torture, including loss of sleep, beatings, and strangulations and scientific torture experiments." According to Sara, when Hubbard realized that a divorce was inevitable, he asked Sara to kill herself, fearing that a divorce would ruin his reputation.

She said that Hubbard kept her from sleeping for four days, then gave her sleeping pills, nearly killing her. And that once when he nearly strangled her, he ruptured the eustachian tube in her ear, permanently impairing her hearing.


I beleive I've read somewhere in the court transcript that she alleged that he locked her when he sleep deprived her!

TO LRH - great humanitarian - self proclaimed lord buddha and messiah
:clap:

Old timer John Sanborn, editor of many of Hubbard's early books, said this during a 1986 interview:

"Early on (before the divorce) he [Hubbard] made this stupid attempt to get Sara brainwashed so she'd do what he said. He kept her sitting up in a chair, denying her sleep, trying to use Black Dianetic principles on her, repeating over and over again whatever he wanted her to do. Things like, 'Be his wife, have a family that looks good, not have a divorce'."
 
I'm sure at first, just as every other conman, Hubbard looked at his customers as a disposable commodity, in fact he probably was happy to see them go after he shook them down for all he could, but then it went from self-help con-game based on pop-psychology and cheesy science fiction to full blown cult.


Who actually was the first victim to be held against his or her will after it made the transition?

The God of Truth and Reason---Apollo.

(I used a little poetic license framing Apollo like that--so lay off all you Orestias)

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Vittorio

Patron Meritorious
I'm sure at first, just as every other conman, Hubbard looked at his customers as a disposable commodity, in fact he probably was happy to see them go after he shook them down for all he could, but then it went from self-help con-game based on pop-psychology and cheesy science fiction to full blown cult.


Who actually was the first victim to be held against his or her will after it made the transition?

No, he did not want to dispose of them when he shook them down for all he could. That would be too easy. He only disposed of them when they served all the use they could. When they had nothing, they were signed up for staff and the SO and only after a thorough roughing up and degradation could they be 'disposed of'. When they couldn't pay, they went and got others to pay and kept the money rolling in.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Lately I have considered the first person held against their will by Hubbard was hisself.

Others became equally unfortunate.

He hurt a whole lot of people.

Perhaps the best he could hope for in that karma isn't real or true.

Uh, how did that old fool die?

Alone?
Insane ?
In Pain ?
And his "legacy" in the hands of another madman ?

Oh well..............next ?
 
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