Why are SO members so stupid? they can just leave!

[Grasshopper]

Why can't you just get up and leave? Here are a few reasons: (my case)

Physical:
- The int base has wire fence around, motion detectors, armed security guards. If you just walk out, you are being held back by force.
- If you tell them that you want to leave, they watch you and you are not allowed to leave the base (fences, guards).
- If you are not in your own country, you don't know anything about how to get to an airport, less about other transport (not many possibilities around the int base unless you have a car).
- If you are staff at int and you joined at a young age so you don't have savings from previous jobs, inharitance stc. you have no money to travel or settle.
- Your passport is confiscated.

Mental/emotional:
- When you arrive to the state of mind that you want to leave, you are f...uped mentally. It feels very insecure "out in the wog world".
- You made a promise when you joined and you have to face it now that you break it. That "'they" didn't keep their promises, is not an excuse.
- You wanted to save the world and believed in it, now you are into your own thing, you are being selfish.
- You have friends in there (though less and less due to the control-freaky report mechanism.
- You have spent 15-20 years in there - what will you do in the wog world, how will you survive?

Now, when you all battled it out in your head, you overcame the obstacles of all kind, then you just go, no matter where and how. You just LEAVE.
So, that' why. You can only escape by tricks, and count on your good luck.

 

[Boldgirl]

Why can't you just get up and leave? Here are a few reasons: (my case)

Physical:
- The int base has wire fence around, motion detectors, armed security guards. If you just walk out, you are being held back by force.
- If you tell them that you want to leave, they watch you and you are not allowed to leave the base (fences, guards).
- If you are not in your own country, you don't know anything about how to get to an airport, less about other transport (not many possibilities around the int base unless you have a car).
- If you are staff at int and you joined at a young age so you don't have savings from previous jobs, inharitance stc. you have no money to travel or settle.
- Your passport is confiscated.

Mental/emotional:
- When you arrive to the state of mind that you want to leave, you are f...uped mentally. It feels very insecure "out in the wog world".
- You made a promise when you joined and you have to face it now that you break it. That "'they" didn't keep their promises, is not an excuse.
- You wanted to save the world and believed in it, now you are into your own thing, you are being selfish.
- You have friends in there (though less and less due to the control-freaky report mechanism.
- You have spent 15-20 years in there - what will you do in the wog world, how will you survive?

Now, when you all battled it out in your head, you overcame the obstacles of all kind, then you just go, no matter where and how. You just LEAVE.
So, that' why. You can only escape by tricks, and count on your good luck.

God, I wish there was a real life Rambo. I feel so helpless. This is terrible. Enough of us exist to provide help and a 'leg up' once out of that horrible place...but how to get them out?

Rambo?????

 

[Grasshopper]

Well, I forgot to say that you do not have access to the Internet so you don't even know there are people who would help you when you are out. You don't know (I didn't) that there is such a thing as this board or OCMB or that there are so many critics. We are all indoctrinated that the SPs are bad, failing in life and vicious, you have no idea (while in) that these people are helpful, nice, understanding and caring. (...seems familiar... was I told that SO members are like this?...)

Of course there are other stories where someone just jumped in his/her car, went to a family member in another state and got a new life. Mine was not that easy.

Yes, I wish there was a Rambo-kind someone.

There is one more thing: I was really afraid of that if I get caught, I get taken back there, and probably many people think that. If they get caught, the torture is worse and you won't have another chance to leave very soon (you would be restricted). So you leave when you feel that you will not get caught, or when you are over the edge and nothing matters.

 

[uncle sam]

Ex org staff.

Before scn I never ever had nightmares or bad dreams. Once i departed- I started having nightmares and that was were I dreamt that I was back on staff. Terrible dreams. Much later and alot of seperation from the cos I'm finally over "dreaming that I've bNoween re-captured and put back on post."
Now in my dreams, I become a super hero and free all the sea org members form their enslavement.

 

[Div6]

God, I wish there was a real life Rambo. I feel so helpless. This is terrible. Enough of us exist to provide help and a 'leg up' once out of that horrible place...but how to get them out?

Rambo?????

This has been a topic of much discussion in a number of forums, exso, es-sci and anon. This has led to the creation of the exseaorg web site, and the Anons have started sending postcards into Hemet just to "get the flow going". The FBI visited there a whilr back earlier this year, and one person even got a cell phone in via package sent by a "big box" retailer.

Any and all ideas are welcome.

 

[paradox]

Why can't you just get up and leave? Here are a few reasons: (my case)

....

Dang, Grasshopper, with some adjustment of the wording you've just about summed up much of how it probably feels for many preparing to die a physical body death as well. Creepy.

I think it was Eckhart Tolle who said something like, "The secret of death is to die before you die." (i.e. ego death) Thinking about this in context, that was about how I felt when I was psyching myself up to leave the SO (pre-Internet); in many ways tantamount to facing the same or similar fears to dying. Interesting.

 

[FinallyMe]

The real prison

Quoting:
"It's the same as battered house-wife syndrome--"If he does this when he loves me, what he might do if I ran away could be worse." The fear of loss of a roof over your head, and protection of any children is what compels many women to put up with this, and SO members are in a similar situation. Many of them are disconnected from their families and the only roof over their head they can see is the underside of the triple bunk above them. These people are not readily equipped to get a "normal" job, Many of them couldn't even sell movie tickets without a proper Hat Write-up."


Thank you for this - you are VERY correct, with the one addition that the battered housewife also feels that she has done something that provoked the attack, and "maybe if I would...." or "maybe if I wouldn't ......".


Patte Monaco

 

[Pixie]

Before scn I never ever had nightmares or bad dreams. Once i departed- I started having nightmares and that was were I dreamt that I was back on staff. Terrible dreams. Much later and alot of seperation from the cos I'm finally over "dreaming that I've bNoween re-captured and put back on post."
Now in my dreams, I become a super hero and free all the sea org members form their enslavement.

Good for you uncle sam!! Uncle Sam... Super Hero!!

 

[Chipallina]

SO members so stupid? they can just leave!

This seems to be the big OUT-R for many people looking at our plight.

I only started to research and looking at anti-scio stuff three days ago, while having many years as staff in a Class V Org, then 3 years SO, and then three years hiding in a loss.

So I can only dwell on this issue but closing the gap in the deference in R would be helpful.

But I would summerize like this.

Scientology and especially the SO is not a place of peace or tranquility.

Many expect a religion to be that.

Scientology is a place of war and randomity and action and the largest danger to mankind is brought to light and fought.

Only a coward leaves the battlefield during a combat, leaving his friends, mum, dad or wife behind.

So being Declared is a nightmare for SO members. Their eternity has been taken and they are forced to desert their loved ones. And now their loved ones are living with a stigma due to their past relationship with you.

"why did you pull in an SP as a son?" is probably a common listing question given to SO members by other staff. If not in words then only in looks.

I wonder.....

Did the single fact of issuing so many SP declares bring down the show?

Would some of these top SO execs be outside if they were not Declared?

If David Mayo or others never left due to being thrown out would there be this current situation?

Perhaps David had planned Rons last days and even made them happen. You would have to cave your self in if thats true..

Declaring the Snr C/S I would have thought would end the show for him back then.

Maybe he did too..
He has been trying to do himself in for a long time...

How did you leave the SO? Didn't they have your passport?

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Theoretically, if they have your passport, you could go to a US embassy and ask for help. However, as previously pointed out, a lot of SO members don't have another place to go or money or their family's still in the cult or all those things. And when people are overwhelmed, mistreated,etc, it's hard to really think of options even if there are any- they could be very hard to ascertain.

 

[Flag-2005]

"How did you leave the SO? Didn't they have your passport?"

I was declared!

So they rush you out as soon as possible.

They wanted me out real bad.

With my brief history there and the amount of friends i had in my peers I was big trouble. My seniors hated me but not even RTC could handle me at that time. RTC were squirrels and I was writing it up.

I was also running around looking for World stats to prove how off tech and policy we all were. FSO staff numbers, route outs etc..

I remember one time I was brought onto the base for a brief moment ( I had no idea I was being declared at the time ) and the RTC reps saw me, there was a group of five and they all were shocked. I was not ment to be driven around by one of the MLO guys but I convinced him of an important medical cycle and I needed to get to the one-stop-shop for something.

The RTC reps nearly ran away! I knew they were the cause of my current situation as I was placed into a RTC project. Big mistake for them and in the end it was freedom for me.

Look the best thing to do if you are on staff at FSO is to say you want to kill yourself and that you have tried and will tonight try again! Many senior FSO staff got out that way!

You will get money, passport and a ride to the airport!

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I like your style!

 

[Chipallina]

LOL thats funny!

 

[Chipallina]

i went to roll call in the auditorium one day and instead of going back to post i jumped the back wall of the fort harrison got a cab to the hacienda to pick up some of my things (i couldnt escape at night as i had someone sit outside my room) then i called my Dad to come and 'retrieve' my passport from security!

i got a job on clearwater beach in a clothes shop and enjoyed the life i had missed for 6 months before returing home

 

[quietheart]

I bet that was scary Chipallina, I'm so glad you made it. I'm one of the anons who would never question why people don't leave. I think I understand because of my own childhood and experiences as an adult. Personally, I feel it is a lot like battered women and children experience. I wish I could give all of you a great big hug. I'm glad people are speaking out, I truly hope this brings about change in our society.
Angl

 

[Lee_from_phx]

Authority is in the mind of the beholder.

The only thing stopping mournfully unhappy SO members (is there any other kind?) from walking out the door and never looking back is THEMSELVES.

Scientology is a trap, but it one that its victims have to play along with in order to be ensnared.

Probably the most fundamental trick that the cult pulls on someone that keeps them trapped is to convince them that they need the cult's permission to leave.

To those in the cult who wish to leave:

You don't need anyone's permission. Get up, put one foot in front of the other, and walk out the door.

If you're afraid that someone is going to physically attack you then call 911 and and tell them that you're being held against your will. When the police show up, walk right up to them and ask for help.

Don't let them beat you. Don't let them keep you as a slave.

 

[Chipallina]

i only blew because I was a coward and didnt want to be in the rpf, if i had been a good girl I'd probably still be there thats the strangest thing and thats why I'm not keen on anon targeting orgs and flag because that could be me! sad but true

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I don't think you're a coward. Just pragmatic and also brave.

I salute you, Chipallina!

 

[Chipallina]

thanks fluffs xxxyour a star

 

[paradox]

i only blew because I was a coward and didnt want to be in the rpf, if i had been a good girl I'd probably still be there thats the strangest thing and thats why I'm not keen on anon targeting orgs and flag because that could be me! sad but true

Been there, done that. That's why I was content to remain outer org s.o. and steer clear of ever being permanently posted at pac or flag. It was an absolute no-brainer that I, too, would eventually end up there; I mean all s.o. roads lead eventually to the rpf or rpf's rpf . My conscious mind was going, "coward, wimp, dilettante, phoney." My small, quiet, background voice (which I was not too attuned to in those years) was going, "WARNING! WARNING! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!" Fortunately, I eventually heeded the saner of the two and got the fruck outta Dodge!

(of course, it was during the dark of night )