GreyLensman
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Of course not, just wing you...
Why are SO members so stupid? they can just leave!
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Of course not, just wing you...
espiritumcmaster
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See my post of May 2, 2008: "The St. Hill Syndrome" which I claim parallels, and is even more sinister than "The Stockholm Syndrome." (292 hits to date) It took me more than a decade to disconnect (sneak away is more to the truth) and I wasn't even in the Sea Org!
I've maintained friends in high places who have no idea how I loath everything that is this evil cult. I kept these friends so as to continue research on how Hubbard pulled off one of the greatest cash-cons of the 20th Century. To define LRH it is necessary to redefine the meaning of Megalomania.
I've maintained friends in high places who have no idea how I loath everything that is this evil cult. I kept these friends so as to continue research on how Hubbard pulled off one of the greatest cash-cons of the 20th Century. To define LRH it is necessary to redefine the meaning of Megalomania.
Hello. I was in the Sea Org recently. and I left. I was in one of the highest Orgs they have.
And you are totally right. Being a Sea Org member, you are TOTALLY scared out of your wits to leave. I was so afraid of leaving, when finally I used a leave of absence to just stay gone.
that in itself was the most stressful thing I have ever done.
To anyone who wants to know what Organization I was in, well, lets just say I was one of the people making money from donations.
I will tell more of my story later.
Thanks, Love ya1
And you are totally right. Being a Sea Org member, you are TOTALLY scared out of your wits to leave. I was so afraid of leaving, when finally I used a leave of absence to just stay gone.
that in itself was the most stressful thing I have ever done.
To anyone who wants to know what Organization I was in, well, lets just say I was one of the people making money from donations.
I will tell more of my story later.
Thanks, Love ya1
Cat's Squirrel
Gold Meritorious Patron
Hi, and welcome!
Flag-2005
Patron with Honors
Hello. I was in the Sea Org recently. and I left. I was in one of the highest Orgs they have.
And you are totally right. Being a Sea Org member, you are TOTALLY scared out of your wits to leave. I was so afraid of leaving, when finally I used a leave of absence to just stay gone.
that in itself was the most stressful thing I have ever done.
To anyone who wants to know what Organization I was in, well, lets just say I was one of the people making money from donations.
I will tell more of my story later.
Thanks, Love ya1
Hi and thanks for posting.
So I guess you were a FSO, Superpower or IAS reg?
Its very liberating to be out and get in contact with others, so welcome and have fun.
EP - Ethics Particle
Gold Meritorious Patron
Understood.
Dear Love ya1 - Love ya2!
There is no way, really, to adequately acknowledge you for having the initiative to get out. But many others here, and I (to a certain extent) have personal reality on what you experienced. So I will just add a note of insouciance in the true spirit of play and indicate that, in my humble opinion, you achieved the EP of OT - and why dontcha TAKE A WIN!
love,
Roy, the EP's EP
Hello. I was in the Sea Org recently. and I left. I was in one of the highest Orgs they have.
And you are totally right. Being a Sea Org member, you are TOTALLY scared out of your wits to leave. I was so afraid of leaving, when finally I used a leave of absence to just stay gone.
that in itself was the most stressful thing I have ever done.
To anyone who wants to know what Organization I was in, well, lets just say I was one of the people making money from donations.
I will tell more of my story later.
Thanks, Love ya1
Dear Love ya1 - Love ya2!
There is no way, really, to adequately acknowledge you for having the initiative to get out. But many others here, and I (to a certain extent) have personal reality on what you experienced. So I will just add a note of insouciance in the true spirit of play and indicate that, in my humble opinion, you achieved the EP of OT - and why dontcha TAKE A WIN!
love,
Roy, the EP's EP
Public out
Went to Flag after being inactive for a few years. Had some auditing from some top class auditor. It was not fun. Had more fun co-auditing years befor. Went to the examiner,I forget if he ran a list or whatever, anyways it was pointed out that I was clear. Never even did the levels. I wanted out of this place so I put on my bright smile and shiney eyes GIs. With a bit of a confused look in the examiners eyes he said your needle is floating. So I was declared Clear and I totally cleared out of there as soon as the next plane came in. Never went back, only contacted them to get the rest of my advanced payment back. Oh the final straw was, I met an OT public while I was there got to know her, corresponded for a short time after, she really disappointed me. She did me a service, I thought if this an OT its nothing special to work toward, so rude, let me out of here. That was the last nail in the coffin of Scn. thank god. Never went back and thanks to this site and other anti-scn info, I have worked to get its pull off me. Dont want to go back, dont want to even give them one soiled cent from the bottom of a septic tank. I will steer people I know who are and have been in contact with Scn. to sites like this, just as a topic of interest, no pressure. I look at some of the people that have been in for a very long time and spent much money in it, and some with their life, I thank myself for just being involved for maybe 5 years off and on, it could have been much worse. I thank the person who started this site.
Went to Flag after being inactive for a few years. Had some auditing from some top class auditor. It was not fun. Had more fun co-auditing years befor. Went to the examiner,I forget if he ran a list or whatever, anyways it was pointed out that I was clear. Never even did the levels. I wanted out of this place so I put on my bright smile and shiney eyes GIs. With a bit of a confused look in the examiners eyes he said your needle is floating. So I was declared Clear and I totally cleared out of there as soon as the next plane came in. Never went back, only contacted them to get the rest of my advanced payment back. Oh the final straw was, I met an OT public while I was there got to know her, corresponded for a short time after, she really disappointed me. She did me a service, I thought if this an OT its nothing special to work toward, so rude, let me out of here. That was the last nail in the coffin of Scn. thank god. Never went back and thanks to this site and other anti-scn info, I have worked to get its pull off me. Dont want to go back, dont want to even give them one soiled cent from the bottom of a septic tank. I will steer people I know who are and have been in contact with Scn. to sites like this, just as a topic of interest, no pressure. I look at some of the people that have been in for a very long time and spent much money in it, and some with their life, I thank myself for just being involved for maybe 5 years off and on, it could have been much worse. I thank the person who started this site.
Pixie
Crusader
Hello. I was in the Sea Org recently. and I left. I was in one of the highest Orgs they have.
And you are totally right. Being a Sea Org member, you are TOTALLY scared out of your wits to leave. I was so afraid of leaving, when finally I used a leave of absence to just stay gone.
that in itself was the most stressful thing I have ever done.
To anyone who wants to know what Organization I was in, well, lets just say I was one of the people making money from donations.
I will tell more of my story later.
Thanks, Love ya1
Welcome, and well done for escaping the hell hole, that took bravery. Look forward to reading your story.
Tim Skog
Silver Meritorious Patron
This is one of the most interesting threads I've come across. I'm not exactly sure how I missed this one.
All the posts on this topic have been well written and though provoking. Obviously it is not easy for most members to just up and leave the Sea Org.
I've mentioned my having left in previous posts, but I never really thought about what difficulty there might have been in my leaving. I had only been in the SO for a little over two years. I had been in the GO and posted at a class IV Org for 5 years prior to joining the SO. When I signed the billion year contract I remember thinking at the time that it was a gesture of sorts and not to be taken literally. Later, I learned it was taken a bit more seriously than that by most other Sea Org members.
My "problem" was that I never really fit in with the life of being an SO member. I didn't care for the sacrificing that I saw. I didn't completely buy into the idea of subjugating my personal needs to those of the group. I always felt like an outsider and I remember feeling guilty about being in the SO and not feeling as dedicated as everyone else.
My thinking was that if I stuck with it long enough eventually I would "get it" and become dedicated like everyone else. However after time it just got to be more and more of a losing experience. I felt like my life had been wasted and, I just grew disillusioned with the whole idea about saving the planet.
I remember the very morning when I left. I had awakened very early and just got up and thought (very impulsively) why not just leave. I looked back at my wife still sleeping in bed. I remember thinking how bad our 2D was and that I couldn't talk to her. I didn't want to stay married and, if I had stayed in we would have ended up divorcing anyway. I couldn't tell her about leaving because, she'd have blown the whistle on me and I knew she was never going to leave.
This all occurred in a nano-second. It was just a moment of clarity that hit me. I COULD JUST WALK OUT THE DOOR AND GO AWAY. So I did. I dressed and packed one small carry-all bag with a change of clothes and with just a small amount of cash in my pockets I walked out of the big blue building in Hollywood.
I remember thinking as I was walking away that if I ever wanted to go back that I could deal with whatever I had to deal with but that right now I just needed to get the hell away.
Sometime later, after I had been out of Scn for a number of months I remember thinking, even if I didn't go back this lifetime, I could always go back next lifetime and deal with my A-E or whatever the hell I'd run into on a meter check.
But I never really wanted to go back and I made a point to fit in with the real world and get with the old program. It takes time. For me it took 20 years before, I finally realized that the life of being in the SO and that game was an evil trap and a slave camp. It took the internet to learn about how evil the game of being in the SO was.
It isn't easy to leave and when you do there is still a lot of work to be done to get the old head back on right. In fact, getting the old head on right is really a never ending process and this board has been a valuable part of that undertaking.
So, yes, leaving can be easy, but then when are you ever really out?
All the posts on this topic have been well written and though provoking. Obviously it is not easy for most members to just up and leave the Sea Org.
I've mentioned my having left in previous posts, but I never really thought about what difficulty there might have been in my leaving. I had only been in the SO for a little over two years. I had been in the GO and posted at a class IV Org for 5 years prior to joining the SO. When I signed the billion year contract I remember thinking at the time that it was a gesture of sorts and not to be taken literally. Later, I learned it was taken a bit more seriously than that by most other Sea Org members.
My "problem" was that I never really fit in with the life of being an SO member. I didn't care for the sacrificing that I saw. I didn't completely buy into the idea of subjugating my personal needs to those of the group. I always felt like an outsider and I remember feeling guilty about being in the SO and not feeling as dedicated as everyone else.
My thinking was that if I stuck with it long enough eventually I would "get it" and become dedicated like everyone else. However after time it just got to be more and more of a losing experience. I felt like my life had been wasted and, I just grew disillusioned with the whole idea about saving the planet.
I remember the very morning when I left. I had awakened very early and just got up and thought (very impulsively) why not just leave. I looked back at my wife still sleeping in bed. I remember thinking how bad our 2D was and that I couldn't talk to her. I didn't want to stay married and, if I had stayed in we would have ended up divorcing anyway. I couldn't tell her about leaving because, she'd have blown the whistle on me and I knew she was never going to leave.
This all occurred in a nano-second. It was just a moment of clarity that hit me. I COULD JUST WALK OUT THE DOOR AND GO AWAY. So I did. I dressed and packed one small carry-all bag with a change of clothes and with just a small amount of cash in my pockets I walked out of the big blue building in Hollywood.
I remember thinking as I was walking away that if I ever wanted to go back that I could deal with whatever I had to deal with but that right now I just needed to get the hell away.
Sometime later, after I had been out of Scn for a number of months I remember thinking, even if I didn't go back this lifetime, I could always go back next lifetime and deal with my A-E or whatever the hell I'd run into on a meter check.
But I never really wanted to go back and I made a point to fit in with the real world and get with the old program. It takes time. For me it took 20 years before, I finally realized that the life of being in the SO and that game was an evil trap and a slave camp. It took the internet to learn about how evil the game of being in the SO was.
It isn't easy to leave and when you do there is still a lot of work to be done to get the old head back on right. In fact, getting the old head on right is really a never ending process and this board has been a valuable part of that undertaking.
So, yes, leaving can be easy, but then when are you ever really out?
Free to shine
Shiny & Free
To answer the last question you posed, Tim.
Everytime I ask myself "How did I ever stoop so low as to do/tolerate... when I was "in?"
I know then that I'm forever separated from that mindfuck that is the Co$
And I'll never be "in" again!
Amen!
