"Why Do Scientologists Trust Miscavige?"

iaxiloll

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This is truly one of the biggest mysteries about the Church of Scientology: Why do Scientologists trust David Miscavige?

Scientologists consider him right up there with L. Ron Hubbard, pretty much "Source". But why?

What has he done that warrants such absolute, blind faith?

I guess some Scientologists figure that, since he was "put in charge by Ron, he must be OK." The only problem with that belief is that it isn't true! He specifically was not "put in charge by Ron." When Ron died, there was a whole organizational hierarchy that was in place to run the Church of Scientology, with other people in charge. David Miscavige wasn't included. So, no, Ron didn't assign or approve Miscavige as head of the church. Didn't happen.

If Ron didn't particularly trust Miscavige with the job, why do Scientologists trust Miscavige?

Well, there is the story about how Miscavige "put down a mutiny of mission holders" back in 1982. That's the story from Miscavige. The mission holders have a completely different story. Scientologists will undoubtedly choose to believe Miscavige's version -- but there is something they should look at. Prior to Miscavige's take-over of the mission network, missions were in a period of sustained and exciting expansion. Prior to Miscavige's action, missions were springing up all over the place and they were huge. Since Miscavige's action, the mission network has fallen on very hard times, with missions closing rather than expanding or opening. Based on results, Miscavige factually destroyed the Mission Network and killed a huge period of expansion for Scientology. Is this a person to trust with running the Church of Scientology?

So, if Miscavige actually destroyed this vital Scientology expansion, why do Scientologists trust him?

Perhaps some Scientologists trust him so much because of the whole "Golden Age of Tech" that Miscavige developed -- a complete change in all Scientology training. Miscavige touts this as a "great achievement" and Scientologists believe him. Those who trained directly under Hubbard have a completely different view of things, but they are not allowed to voice any disagreements. Once again, "good" Scientologists will believe Miscavige's version -- however, they should look at the results of this "Golden Age of Tech". The results are depressing.

Some people have been completing their training under the new methods, but after that, things are not looking good. Auditors have stopped auditing and have dropped out of sight. Auditors and Case Supervisors have gotten into trouble for messing up cases. Today, there are far fewer auditors than before the "Golden Age of Tech". A "training improvement" that causes auditors to fail and stop auditing? That doesn't sound good.

But, despite the obvious problems with Miscavige's "improvements", Scientologists still trust him implicitly. Why?

He is "expanding Scientology" isn't he? As leader of the Church of Scientology, David Miscavige's highest priority target from extant Hubbard orders, was to bring all churches to the "size of old Saint Hill" (the main organization when Scientology was booming). Scientologists will recall church after church receiving their recognition for "reaching the size of old Saint Hill". Then nothing. What happened? Did they make it? Are all the churches at that size now?

No. The few that did (barely) make it to that size, quickly collapsed to much smaller sizes almost immediately. Miscavige's "management" had artificially boosted these organizations just enough to "win" the award, but it was bad management since it fell apart immediately. At this time no church is even close to the size of "old Saint Hill". The most important orders from Hubbard are now in a drawer somewhere, ignored and forgotten.

The results of Miscavige's attempt to carry out Hubbard's big project to get all churches to the "size of old Saint Hill" -- nothing. No churches are at that size. Total failure!

Well, there is this new program to expand Scientology: Forcing the public Scientologists to cough up millions and millions of dollars to buy big buildings for their local church. Scientologists are told by Miscavige that this is a wild and wonderful success. Scientologists sincerely believe this view of things. But they should look at the results. What are the results? A few of these new buildings have been completed and opened. Very few. More new buildings have been purchased but not renovated. What happened?

* The few churches that have newly renovated buildings are doing poorly -- they are not expanding. Because of the additional expenses associated with the newer, bigger buildings, their staff are paid little or nothing. It's a real struggle.
* The churches that have purchased but not renovated their buildings are also in deep trouble. They have additional expenses, but find it difficult to make any money from their parishioners -- the parishioners have been tapped out on money.
* The churches still working on buying new buildings are really struggling. Their parishioners have been hammered for money and more money -- so they're not taking courses either. It is an incredible struggle.

The result of Miscavige's "Ideal Org" program is to remove all available money from the Scientology public, leaving very little for them to buy services at the local church. The result of that has been to collapse all the local churches. Anyone could have predicted that, and this is exactly what has happened. The money for the new buildings goes to Miscavige and does not benefit the local church. If they collect enough money to buy a building, the ownership of that building is transferred to Miscavige's Int. Landlord and does not benefit the local church.

So, Miscavige is a total failure in expanding Scientology, and, in fact, every action he takes causes the Church of Scientology to shrink. There really is no reason anyone would trust a person with a track record like Miscavige's. So why do Scientologists still trust him so much?

Maybe some Scientologist will tell me.

But I'll tell you why I think Scientologists trust Miscavige despite his abysmal record. Based on my own experiences when I was a "loyal Scientologist", I think it's because David Miscavige is the one who controls all information to the loyal Scientologists. They are forbidden from reading or watching or listening to anything else. Miscavige controls the Scientology newsletters and magazines. Miscavige controls the press releases. Miscavige controls the Scientology events. And everything a Scientologist is allowed to see modestly proclaims David Miscavige as the most amazing and wonderful person in the whole world.

And, of course, Scientologists believe him and they trust him. He wouldn't lie to them, would he?
 

SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
.. We were 'conditioned' very effectively for 'loyalty'.. To respect seniors.. To flow power to 'command'.

But as this post explains so succintly.. David Miscavige is the mother of all stat crashers!

Hahr! - I thank him for it! - Because he will crash CoS completely! - And that is just.. The only thing CoS was better at under Hubbard, was hoodwinking people. The organization was no less evil back then!

:yes:
 
2 cents worth.

Everyone thinks that everyone else trusts him.

Ot's have spent too much of their lives and money to let themselves start thinking about DM's trustworthiness.
Start pulling that string and........oh well um....maybe think about that....later....sometime...

Those lower down the scam game have thoughts like this.
"When something like x happens, or is happening, it goes all the way to the top. It must do, otherwise it couldn't happen. Um, well all those OT's and class XII's and high powered Sea Org exec, must....ah..t..r..ust David Miscaivige..I suppose, ah..well, I dunno, mmm yeah they all trust him, yeah must be OK"...........

followed by this - a thought with no internal voice - just a concept = me ( the staff member/thinker) in relation to big organization of people = me little and that all very big... Followed by... "Jenny can y' get me a cup of coffee and a ciggy, hey how are y' stats?"
That's it.

Emperor and clothes. Too simple but I think absolutely true
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Yes, indeed. Perhaps we should start lobbying for DM to continue as COB.
His good works seems to be destroying CofS faster than any of us had dared to hope! XD
 

Veda

Sponsor
About Hubbard and Miscavige, etc.

http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=2398

Maybe it's useful, when attempting to extricate Scientologists from Scientology, to say that it wasn't Hubbard's idea to loot the Missions, etc., and somehow the 22 year old Miscavige was responsible, etc., but Hubbard was - behind the scenes - on lines through 1984.

Maybe it's useful, etc., to say that now "Tech is out," and "Policy is out," but the basic template, basic patterns, for Scientology were established by the 1960s, early 1970s.

And did Hubbard trust Miscavige? Hubbard didn't trust anyone.

IMO, I doubt if Hubbard really cared who ran his front group/religion/mental healing-coated "psychological-political" operation, as long as it continued to destroy his enemies and applaud his "image" and name.

Scientology is a blackmail and money-collecting people-machine, kept alive by a membership who equate its continued existence with their own and Mankind's survival and well being, and controlled by a tiny few, who know better, but enjoy the perks of being at the helm of such an operation.
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
You speak sooth, Veda. ^^^
"Just Bill" writes excellent essays on scientology which seem to be aimed at currently-in scn'ists or scn'ists who are wavering and searching for answers. (That's just my impression from reading them.)
His approach is reasoned and logical and done on a gradient.
So far, his message has impinged on everyone I've sent to his "Ask The Scientologist" blog.
It seems to me that it takes a while for the average indoctrinated scn'ist to arrive at the point of realising that the whole misuse and betrayal of scn'ist's good will and intentions began with Hubbard.
It's a tough pill to swallow for many.
I know it was for me but that's the pill that finally cured me of scn.
Cheers, Panda.
 

scooter

Gold Meritorious Patron
I agree with you Panda - it's very hard to stop believing in Hubbard at first.

It's fairly easy for any old-timer to see the changes for the worse that have occured under DM and blame him for the current state of affairs.

But to then pull the string back to Hubbard (I just can't bring myself to say LRH these days :D) is a huge leap and one that I found very hard to take.

The messengers can screw up but never the Gods
 

Axiom142

Gold Meritorious Patron
Scientologists are confused. They’ve been told for years how the stats are rocketing and that Scientology is booming. They’ve heard how huge numbers of public have been flooding into the orgs and that delivery has taken off like never before.

But, when they look around, they cannot see the results. They were told that they would have a cleared planet in a few years, but that was decades ago. Orgs are very quiet with few students in the courserooms.

They were told that Scientology would give them the tools and abilities to succeed and flourish in life. But they are heavily in debt, still get ill and aren’t even happy.

On top of that, when they talk to public about Scientology they get a load of ‘entheta’ and now the CoS is under attack with continual protests and bad publicity in the media. They cannot understand how this can happen. Surely with all the OTs around and the ‘most advanced Tech in the Universe’ they should be able to handle any situation?

When people are confused, they lose confidence in their own abilities and look to someone to lead them. When a group’s survival is threatened as in times of war, they look to a strong personality to make the tough decisions for them.

Step forward the strong and forceful leader, David Miscavige. “He’ll sort things out!” After all, didn’t he personally take charge of the Basic Books evolution and get a product when no one else could? Yes, that’s what we need, a strong leader who can lead us to victory!

Once you get into this mindset, you cannot see any bad in that person and they are beyond reproach.

Axiom142
 

Thrak

Gold Meritorious Patron
Yeah I think he has a "mystique" because you think flubbard appointed him, but also I was under false pretense like others I talked to that he got sec checked like everybody else and if his stats went down enough he could be canned like anyone else. I think many don't realize he's not there on the same terms as the rest. Also he "handled" the IRS, so he must be god.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
CofS is a cult. In this cult, blind faith is not only encouraged but demanded. Scn'ists are taught early on not to question anything any staff member says or that Hubbard says. So then it extends to DM. It shouldn't, but that's the cultic milieu for you.
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
2 cents worth.

Everyone thinks that everyone else trusts him.

Ot's have spent too much of their lives and money to let themselves start thinking about DM's trustworthiness.
Start pulling that string and........oh well um....maybe think about that....later....sometime...

Those lower down the scam game have thoughts like this.
"When something like x happens, or is happening, it goes all the way to the top. It must do, otherwise it couldn't happen. Um, well all those OT's and class XII's and high powered Sea Org exec, must....ah..t..r..ust David Miscaivige..I suppose, ah..well, I dunno, mmm yeah they all trust him, yeah must be OK"...........

followed by this - a thought with no internal voice - just a concept = me ( the staff member/thinker) in relation to big organization of people = me little and that all very big... Followed by... "Jenny can y' get me a cup of coffee and a ciggy, hey how are y' stats?"
That's it.

Emperor and clothes. Too simple but I think absolutely true

This ^^^^^^^^ "Everyone thinks that everyone else trusts him."

Also

The constant misapplication of the ethics formulas as a means of social control rather than as a means of discerning the best course of action per an individuals own truths.....

Alex (who does not trust miscavaige except to further ruin things....)
 

Iknowtoomuch

Gold Meritorious Patron
Much of it is simple denial.
Scientology HAS to expand. That's what Scientologists have been taught. It's Scientology and it's perfect, therefore it will expand just by it's own vitue. There's no reason to question it's expansion.:blah:
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
Scientologists have a tendency to trust the people they think are appointed through the Church policies. The trust of LRH transfers to the trust of his policies transfers to the trust of the people appointed by the policies.

When they learn that LRH was untrustworthy, that unravels.

I think it is slightly different than that..

I think that it is the experience of reading lrh and using scientology and finding truth for oneself there, that carries over into trusting the church, as the body which "provided" that knowledge and experience.

I have no need to trust lrh. I can decide by reading what he said whether or not to practice it. Lrh was a man with flaws, but his work stands, and especially when seperated from the current church culture.

But I dont see miscavaige standing much longer...

imo
 

Operating DB

Truman Show Dropout
I agree with you Panda - it's very hard to stop believing in Hubbard at first.

It's fairly easy for any old-timer to see the changes for the worse that have occured under DM and blame him for the current state of affairs.

But to then pull the string back to Hubbard (I just can't bring myself to say LRH these days :D) is a huge leap and one that I found very hard to take.
Realizing that everything wrong with the cult ultimately goes back to Flubbard is the final missing piece of the whole puzzle at which point everything falls into place and makes sense.
 

Lee_from_phx

Patron with Honors
Why do scilons trust Miscavige?

For the same reason that the inmates in the prison-state known as the DPRK trust their "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il.
 
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