Kha Khan
Patron Meritorious
I have a question for Freezoners and "Independent" Scientologsits. The question is, "Why do you cling to the "Tech?"
I used to think some of the "Tech" had value. I thought I had extracted those small, low level, non-delusional, non-paranoid, portions of the Tech -- the Comm Course, the TRs, the ARC triangle, the KRC triangle (properly understood), etc. -- that were useful and unique (or, more precisely, new and unique developments or elaborations on prior ideas) that made the effort was worth it.
I have since decided that I was wrong. All of the "Tech" is dangerous. None of it, on balance, has value given the costs (discussed below) associated with practicing, studying, delivering or receiving the "Tech" even outside the official Church of Scientology. I believe this is true for two reasons.
First, I don't see Freezoners and Independent Scientologists using, much less concentrating on, much less exclusively using, the low level stuff that I thought was practical, useful and, quite frankly, not delusional. My point may be illustrated by a post I recently saw on WWP -- here it is:
So, as a practical matter, based on my own admittedly limited observations (and no, people, I haven't done a demographic survey to verify my observations -- like anyone here has engaged in the scientific study of their dead alien spirit body infestations), I don't see people really trying to extract the stuff I think may be useful, verifiable, and falsifiable. What I largely see is people clinging (albeit in a more benign setting) to the least verified, non-falsifiable delusional crap that they always clung to.
Secondly, the shit (Scientology) is addictive. The crack cocaine of spiritual, philosophical and religious pursuits. The ingestion of vitamin C can be beneficial. But taking vitamin C would not be beneficial if it was inexorably combined with crack, meth and heroin. Likewise, any "good" parts of Scientology are inexorably intertwined with the overwhelming, but frequently well-disguised, vile and disgusting parts.
Let us start with KSW No. 1 -- like every Scientology training course starts with KSW No. 1. Few people realize that may be the root of all evil in Scientology because it makes all of the Tech, indeed all of Scientology, non-falsifiable. KSW No. 1 establishes an irrebutable presumption that Scientology "works." If it doesn't work, it is because you did something wrong. Or were PTS. Or are an SP. Blah Blah Blah.
So one starts with one supposedly "workable" bit of tech, the bait, and proceeds to get inexorably sucked into the delusional, paranoid, non-falsifiable quagmire of the rest, the trap.
And eventually talking to the invisible souls of the dead space aliens that infest one's body.
And claim "wins" from doing so.
No thank you.
Yes, it can be argued that a trap would not be a very good trap if the bait were all putrid crap. That doesn't justify stepping into the trap. "Oh, yes, I recognize it is a bear trap, but the bait, an apple, looks so yummy that I'll just see if I can snatch the apple before the steel jaws cut my arm off."
Yep, there's the ticket to a happy life.
I see it all of the time on here. "Ex" Scientologists applying the ethics formulas.
"Ex" Scientologists criticizing the current organization from, and indeed only from, an internal, Scientological perspective. "Ron said blah, blah, blah, but management isn't doing it." "The tech has been altered."
"DM isn't receiving auditing!" (Perhaps because he knows after long experience it is worthless crap?)
"They aren't applying the Data Evaluators Series!" Well, duh. Who would if they had been educated past the fifth grade? Ever think there might be a reason that the Data Evaluators Series, or indeed any of the Management "Tech" is not taught anywhere other than places where people have been indoctrinated to accept Hubbard's word as gospel? (See discussion of KSW No. 1 above.)
Guess what? You can't go home again.
You are never going to feel the same way as when you were young, and bright and shiny, naive and idealistic and thought you were going to save the world, or be part of something wonderful that was larger than yourself, or that you were going to gain super powers, or defeat they cycle of life and death. Its over. Get over it.
Scientology represents not only the triumph of the placebo effect, but addiction to the placebo effect.
Which leads me, again, to the question in the title of the post. Why do you cling to the "Tech?"
Is it because it is nice to think that you did not entirely waste 10, 20, 30 or more years of one's life?
Is it because it is nice to believe that the Certs in the closet (Class IV, Class VI, Class VIII auditor, Sec Checker, FPRD, etc.) that one invested years of hard work in obtaining (instead, perhaps, of obtaining a real education that would be recognized by the outside world, the real world) have at least some value, and were not a complete waste of time, effort, money... and the ruined family it cost to obtain them?
Yes, I understand it it must be difficult to accept that successful completion of the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, and your certification as a Class VI Auditor (Platinum Titanium sealed) does not really qualify you to actually do anything.
I used to think some of the "Tech" had value. I thought I had extracted those small, low level, non-delusional, non-paranoid, portions of the Tech -- the Comm Course, the TRs, the ARC triangle, the KRC triangle (properly understood), etc. -- that were useful and unique (or, more precisely, new and unique developments or elaborations on prior ideas) that made the effort was worth it.
I have since decided that I was wrong. All of the "Tech" is dangerous. None of it, on balance, has value given the costs (discussed below) associated with practicing, studying, delivering or receiving the "Tech" even outside the official Church of Scientology. I believe this is true for two reasons.
First, I don't see Freezoners and Independent Scientologists using, much less concentrating on, much less exclusively using, the low level stuff that I thought was practical, useful and, quite frankly, not delusional. My point may be illustrated by a post I recently saw on WWP -- here it is:
To which I respond, WTFing Hell? What in the name of all that is Holy? What in the name of Xenu? :confused2:Body thetans = dead space aliens from OT3 and xenu
alan walter knowledgism has this to say about it
I think it would be a very good idea if we viewed the whole of the
"OT Levels" in PT. And viewed them from the idea that Amos or Ralph
or Joe Shmoe had discovered them.
!. They are not OT Levels.
2. They are engramic incidents. (I think being transported to a
volcano, having a H-Bomb exploded on top of you qualifies as an engram.)
3. They are late on the chain engramic incidents.......worse they are
"end of game" engramic incidents......as such they have earlier
beginnings and later endings.
4. End of Game and loss of Game are the basis of
depression......Gameless, Goaless and Souless.
5. R6-EW, CC, OT I, II, III. are 3rd and 4th dynamic engramic
incidents - the odds are very few people have enough charge off their
cases to run the actual incidents.
6. In picking up another entities case to run on the
material......you would have exactly the same phenomena on that
entity as you had during your beginning auditing.
7. You now have multiple time tracks and beings in restimulation as
well as your own.
8. The odds of getting these incidents and implants are remote.
9. The logistic are utterly improbable and impossible.
10. The cost would have been astronomical...........DC 8's with
propellers would not have been viable transportation to transport 40
billion bodies to any of the many locations.
11. Running the OT levels violates the Auditors Code.......Do not
evaluate for the pc.
On the plus side.
1. Providing it is real and you have interest. - Run as an "end of
civilization" engram - with earlier beginning and later
endings.......you blow a tremendous amount of charge, also you get
the sequence of how Civilizations are formed and grown.
2. You can make some nifty friends with your entities.....and often
you can build a powerful spiritual team of entities.
3. You can have weird conversations with your friends.
4. You end up on very strange lists, e-mailing very strange messages,
to very strange people. :-D
Alan
So, as a practical matter, based on my own admittedly limited observations (and no, people, I haven't done a demographic survey to verify my observations -- like anyone here has engaged in the scientific study of their dead alien spirit body infestations), I don't see people really trying to extract the stuff I think may be useful, verifiable, and falsifiable. What I largely see is people clinging (albeit in a more benign setting) to the least verified, non-falsifiable delusional crap that they always clung to.
Secondly, the shit (Scientology) is addictive. The crack cocaine of spiritual, philosophical and religious pursuits. The ingestion of vitamin C can be beneficial. But taking vitamin C would not be beneficial if it was inexorably combined with crack, meth and heroin. Likewise, any "good" parts of Scientology are inexorably intertwined with the overwhelming, but frequently well-disguised, vile and disgusting parts.
Let us start with KSW No. 1 -- like every Scientology training course starts with KSW No. 1. Few people realize that may be the root of all evil in Scientology because it makes all of the Tech, indeed all of Scientology, non-falsifiable. KSW No. 1 establishes an irrebutable presumption that Scientology "works." If it doesn't work, it is because you did something wrong. Or were PTS. Or are an SP. Blah Blah Blah.
So one starts with one supposedly "workable" bit of tech, the bait, and proceeds to get inexorably sucked into the delusional, paranoid, non-falsifiable quagmire of the rest, the trap.
And eventually talking to the invisible souls of the dead space aliens that infest one's body.
And claim "wins" from doing so.
No thank you.
Yes, it can be argued that a trap would not be a very good trap if the bait were all putrid crap. That doesn't justify stepping into the trap. "Oh, yes, I recognize it is a bear trap, but the bait, an apple, looks so yummy that I'll just see if I can snatch the apple before the steel jaws cut my arm off."
Yep, there's the ticket to a happy life.
I see it all of the time on here. "Ex" Scientologists applying the ethics formulas.
"Ex" Scientologists criticizing the current organization from, and indeed only from, an internal, Scientological perspective. "Ron said blah, blah, blah, but management isn't doing it." "The tech has been altered."
"DM isn't receiving auditing!" (Perhaps because he knows after long experience it is worthless crap?)
"They aren't applying the Data Evaluators Series!" Well, duh. Who would if they had been educated past the fifth grade? Ever think there might be a reason that the Data Evaluators Series, or indeed any of the Management "Tech" is not taught anywhere other than places where people have been indoctrinated to accept Hubbard's word as gospel? (See discussion of KSW No. 1 above.)
Guess what? You can't go home again.
You are never going to feel the same way as when you were young, and bright and shiny, naive and idealistic and thought you were going to save the world, or be part of something wonderful that was larger than yourself, or that you were going to gain super powers, or defeat they cycle of life and death. Its over. Get over it.
Scientology represents not only the triumph of the placebo effect, but addiction to the placebo effect.
Which leads me, again, to the question in the title of the post. Why do you cling to the "Tech?"
Is it because it is nice to think that you did not entirely waste 10, 20, 30 or more years of one's life?
Is it because it is nice to believe that the Certs in the closet (Class IV, Class VI, Class VIII auditor, Sec Checker, FPRD, etc.) that one invested years of hard work in obtaining (instead, perhaps, of obtaining a real education that would be recognized by the outside world, the real world) have at least some value, and were not a complete waste of time, effort, money... and the ruined family it cost to obtain them?
Yes, I understand it it must be difficult to accept that successful completion of the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, and your certification as a Class VI Auditor (Platinum Titanium sealed) does not really qualify you to actually do anything.