I was one of those who, though polite, did not place Karen on a pedestal when she first arrived here many years ago. I didn't like that she seemed to have VIP status and others appeared somewhat intimidated - and muted - by her special status.There is no slut shaming here.
I just posted information that connected the dots between what Karen told me personally on the phone, and what she herself revealed on her LinkedIn page, and those photos, and those emails.
If you want to see them, go to my blog.
Much more importantly, Karen is a liar.
And I will be showing that over the next few weeks.
You will have an open court to rebuke what I show - right here on ESMB
Your boner for a like from Graham Berry proves, as always, your reason for posting your illogical and oversimplified questions was, and is, seeking attention. Nobody reads your blog. Nobody reads your Twitter. And nobody reads your Facebook. And that is why you come here. Your only arguments in this thread and your other recent threads are logical fallacies and such overly simplified drivel as to completely eradicate nuance. Conclusion : you are not worth anyone's time.
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If I don't return, i love all my friends here, thanks you wonderful people.
Here are some of the ways that this weird situation has attempted to be answered:
In the 11 years since being out, Mike Rinder has never once exposed any act that would put David Miscavige into criminal jeopardy, despite 3 seasons of a TV show that claimed they wanted a federal investigation. He has exposed no criminal acts even though he has been out with access to a blog every day, and yet he ran all fair game for DM as CO OSA for 22 years.
Question: Why hasn't Mike revealed any crimes?
I'll list all the explanations, or theories, or hypotheses that try to answer this question that I'm aware of.
Please add any that I might have missed.
** The NO CRIME Hypothesis: Marty Mike and Dave didn't commit any crimes. 11 top Scientologists, including Mary Sue, had been convicted of felonies and sent to prison. They'd learned their lesson. There were no crimes to report.
** The SCIENTOLOGY/GOVERNMENT Hypothesis: Mike HAS reported all kinds of crimes - he went to the FBI with them 11 years ago. But because of pay-offs, underhanded dealings and other conspiracies, the government will do nothing about them.
** The LIMITED HANGOUT Hypothesis: Because of the billions of dollars at stake for Scientology, DM and MR worked out an "ALL CLEAR UNIT" kind of project where Mike would wind everyone up on moral outrages, but constantly steer everyone away from any criminal activity that might bring subpeonae, forensic accounting etc. They have the money to handle any civil suit, what they can't handle is criminal indictments.
** The MIKE WAS IN THE HOLE Hypothesis: Mike was just a former spokesman for the Church of Scientology, never ran any OSA fair game ops, especially any criminal ones. So while there may be criminal activity to discover, Mike was always in the Hole or practicing speeches into the mirror, and didn't know about them.
** The TOO HARD TO PROSECUTE Hypothesis: Mike has revealed all the crimes he knows about, but because of the 1st amendment and lack of smoking guns on them, plus prosecutorial ethics, no charges have been filed.
** The CYA Hypothesis: Mike knows about all kinds of crimes, but because of his own exposure to prosecution, he's not talking.
** The MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION Hypothesis: DM and Mike were up to their neck in criminal activity, but if one goes to the coppers, the other will too. So they're both quiet.
Did I miss any?
If you think this list is complete, assign a probability level to each one and state why you ranked it that way.
Al likes fair game.I was one of those who, though polite, did not place Karen on a pedestal when she first arrived here many years ago. I didn't like that she seemed to have VIP status and others appeared somewhat intimidated - and muted - by her special status.
However, that was many years ago.
Now is now, and your relishing, in effect, declaring war on Karen, a war, you intend to conduct for "the next few weeks," during which you'll hold "open court," I find unappealing.
Don't you think that's going overboard?
While there are always disagreements, the focus is on Scientology, the subject, and Scientology, the corporation, not on individual activists and dissidents fighting Scientology, despite our differences and sometimes troubled past.
No one is exempt from criticism, but please don't make this another crusade.
Oh gawd, why can't you just discuss? Both of you.
Alanzo, one sentence of a highly inflammable nature won't get you into a discussion. You know most people on this board don't agree with you. Would Plato or Socrates have been successful in explaining their ideas in one sentence? Try harder.
HH, same with you. You can't just dismiss an idea you don't agree with as trolling. Explain to him why you think he's wrong.
You are both excellent writers, but I'm not seeing it. Calling someone an asshole or a troll is easy. Making a case is not. Why don't you intelligently discuss this? It could be enlightening....
Focus on crimes, illegal acts, those things that would put DM and other officers of the Church of Scientology into criminal jeopardy.
This would give the government the power to "take down Scientology". Without that evidence of probable cause of a crime, the government does not have that power.
If you only reveal moral outrages, the government must invoke the first amendment and all of Scientology's protections.
As we've seen in Nvxium, FLDS and even the Catholic Church in Pennsylvania and soon New York, once you get criminal indictments rolling, no one can stop that. No matter how much money they have. No matter what religion they belong to or run.
Focus on the crimes, not the moral outrages.
Lol. I started a reply to Emma but couldn't find the song I was hoping for as part of my reply so I decided not to post the reply at all. But I couldn't figure out how to delete the draft so I just erased it all and put in ..... which meant essentially..'nothing worthy to post at this time'.....
I thought it was morse code.Lol. I started a reply to Emma but couldn't find the song I was hoping for as part of my reply so I decided not to post the reply at all. But I couldn't figure out how to delete the draft so I just erased it all and put in ..... which meant essentially..'nothing worthy to post at this time'
How to delete draft:Lol. I started a reply to Emma but couldn't find the song I was hoping for as part of my reply so I decided not to post the reply at all. But I couldn't figure out how to delete the draft so I just erased it all and put in ..... which meant essentially..'nothing worthy to post at this time'