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Why I didn't do OTVIII - my story part 2

lkwdblds

Crusader
Very good story well written

Your story is very good and is well written. Even though the subject is very serious, the story is light and very uptone.

When I was in, I had thoughts along similar lines to yours. I would do things like the Ethics Specialist Course and receive PTS/SP auditing and feel just great that I was now free of overts and ptsness and could keep myself that way forever. I would then find out that before I could proceed up the bridge, more sec checking intensives would be required. I could not understand that if the tech was so powerful and spot on, why was the fact that I had just completed these actions not taken into account and the tech estimate for sec checks reduced? Your story shows how a logical progression of these types of thoughts gradually led to you and your husband finding info on the internet which led to your making the decision to leave. Well done!
lkwdblds
 
An OT VIII has found out who she/he is not (her/himself) and can now find out who she/he is ..Ron's Slave.

Having dreams, goals, and desires which are not centered around expanding Hubbard's Totalitarian meat grinder is a high crime in Sceintology and make no mistake about it the rehabilitation required to get back on Hubbard's Bridge to nowhere will cost you dearly $$$. Probably the only transgression worst that having individualistic dreams, goals, and desires that an OT could commit would be to stand in between the Church of Sceintology and a dollar. There is no rehabilitating a soul who stands between the Hubbard's cult and someone's money, they are doomed for all of eternity or in other words finally be free of the cult.
 

NeXTep

Patron with Honors
(As I mentioned in my prevoius thread) I had started to have these strange dreams about OTVIII – where I opened the pack and in LRH's handwriting it said “ Ha, ha, ha ... it's all been a big joke ! ” . Whilst I “knew” that this was not the case – I was having a hell of a lot of trouble getting excited about it.

Hey Mrs Pattycake, that one really made me crack up, that sounds like a real warning sign. :thumbsup:

And great on your story.

Congrats on your leaving cognition and welcome aboard.
 

Wisened One

Crusader
Wow, thanks for writing this.

The C of S is apparently asking many of it's richer paritioners for large sums of money to "handle Anonymous." But what the heck is money going to do? It won't change the truth, that there are valid reasons to protest the C of S and until THAT changes, there will always be protestors. I'm so glad that you two have seen that the Emperor has no clothes. There are many others I wish would do the same.

It's probably being used to pay PI's to do their dirty work, etc!

Ms. Pattycake: Thank you for sharing your story! I had a longer post last night when you first posted it, but then ESMB crashed on me! :(
 

Axiom142

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thank you for sharing that last part of your story Vicky. It all sounds so simple – two long-term and dedicated Scientologists start looking at the truth and decide to leave.

I’m fairly sure that the majority of Scientologists will have disagreements with and doubts about the CoS, but how many are prepared to really look as you and Kevin did? I think that was the key thing.

The funny thing is, when I met you two at Carmel’s, you were just like I imagined OTs would be like. You both had a sort of brightness and a serenity about yourselves, if that makes any sense.

You obviously stayed in Scientology for a long time and went a long way up the Bridge. Can I ask why this was? Did you experience huge life-changing wins that kept you coming back for more, or did you just keep going because the ‘next level’ would be the one that handled everything?

Axiom142
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Before leaving Flag, I had to fill out my “life history” - this was needed to see if I “qualified” for the Freewinds . I had heard about these but never done one before – it is a huge questionnaire with hundreds of questions about all aspects of your life. It includes your drug history – every drug you have ever taken , including all medical and dental drugs from your childhood through to present time.

It also asked loads of questions about any family connections to psychs, media etc and all ethics handlings you have ever had. You also had to list all of your Scio training

Then you had to list all of your “participation” ( how you helped to expand Scientology ). They wanted specifics - what you did when, where and what were the results.

This was then looked over by the MAA to see if there were any “outpoints”- fortunately mine looked fine. I had heard of some folk needing to go home and do additional participation before being allowed onto VIII.

It seemed odd that someone who had devoted so much time, energy and money to getting this far up the Bridge would NEED to be checked out like this, especially after all of those expensive sec checks which had very similar questions ! :omg:

And remember this was just the first step to be eligible to “go” to the ship – then there would be the
2 to 4 intensive sec check and resultant ethics handlings when you got there ! It was all kind of intimidating and definitely did not set the scene for a very pleasant experience . The regs kept assuring me that folk were having blow out wins on these OTVIII elig checks and that the success stories they wrote were incredible , praising the sec check as much as OTVIII itself ! I DID NOT BUY IT - and I told them so on many times:no: !



Gone were my naive ideas of “cruising around on a luxury liner” on some sort of a pleasurable holiday . I knew OTVIII would be in its own way, just as demanding as OTVII . In fact one of my friends who had recently completed OTVIII , took great pleasure in telling me that “the ethics level on the ship was a whole new level above Flag”. :omg:


I guess I was beginning to wonder about the true result of OT VIII – the first “real” OT level and why was there all this focus on ethics.



Anyway – I agreed that I would come back for OTVIII once the baby was a few months old. To be honest, in my heart, I knew that I was not likely to want to travel around the world with my new born baby to let some stranger look after him for 4 weeks whilst I spent day and night getting through OTVIII . We had waited 10 years to have another kid after our difficult situation with our daughter – I knew I would want to be at home enjoying every moment with our extended families .


Well – Jack was born in February and to our relief, he was happy and healthy. We were ecstatic !!! Traveling back to Flag was the last thing I was thinking of. I was beginning to think that it might be best for hubby to go to Flag next and try to finish VII – then he could go on to OTVIII. Perhaps that would inspire me – he could come home and tell me how great it all was. (As I mentioned in my prevoius thread) I had started to have these strange dreams about OTVIII – where I opened the pack and in LRH's handwriting it said “ Ha, ha, ha ... it's all been a big joke ! ” . Whilst I “knew” that this was not the case – I was having a hell of a lot of trouble getting excited about it.


By March, I had to go to my daughter's next therapy training course. This meant being away from home for 10 days . I took both Courtney and Jack to Sydney whilst hubby stayed at the farm . My entire family and two girlfriends, both with disabled kids, all came and stayed with us, helping me with my daughter and the new baby. It was a totally enjoyable – but after 10 days I was pretty tired – breast feeding and looking after a new baby, learning new therapy exercises, then there was the 9 hours drive home !

I arrived home totally exhausted at 11pm. - we got the kids to bed and dumped the luggage. Then hubby started to tell me about this group called Anonymous that had been attacking the Church. I thought to myself – “WTF ??? doesn't he know I am exhausted ?” What is he telling me about this for now !!! I acked him and he continued – Christ he was on a roll !!!. I told him we had had attacks before and the Church had always handled them, so not to worry. Very seriously he said “ NO, this is different , there is stuff I need to tell you – some of the things they are saying are true”. Some how I managed in my exhausted state to ack him well enough to stop the conversation that night .

The next day he began where he had left off – downloading a lot of information he had read on the internet. Initially, he had been asked by someone at CCHR ANZO to go on the net and respond to a comment Mark Hanna ( spokesperson for Scientology ) had made about Scientology . Hubby did that in a pro scio manner and was surprised at some of the responses he got. This started him pulling the string – to see what the hell was behind this.

We had been in Scientology for 20 + years and knew that there was “some untrue and bad things” on the net about Scientology – so being good little boys and girls we had never looked and had very easily brushed off any family or friends comments about it, in the past .

However, what hubby discovered was, there was an overwhelming, monumental amount of information about Scientology on the internet !!! This included the actual, supposedly highly confidential OT levels, which we had guarded with briefcases, locks, alarms and security services for years ! It was a huge shock !!!

What was more incredible was that there were hundreds of personal stories from people who were ex-scios, many of whom had been on staff and in the SO , a lot of them were highly trained . Even more incredible, some were ex- Int members – the upper echelon of Scientologists – they were all revealing their experiences with Scientology.

Many of the stories were just terrible, exposing some gross human rights abuses or incredible harm the Church had perpetuated. What was worse was that these stories were ringing true – how had we not noticed these things before ? But ... we had noticed some of them . Then why had we brushed them aside ? Well sometimes we hadn't , we had tried to get some of it handled, had written it up etc, but then we had run into a brick wall. Then why hadn't we fought harder and done more to correct these things ? Why ????


Hubby, not one to do anything half arsed – started to read... and read ...and read. Within a few days he had read all the major critics books. He would stop every few hours and download to me – I would drive him half mad playing the devils advocate – “ how do we know that is not just made up ?”. Having an almost photographic memory, he was able to cross reference stories and data, jotting down new names to “google” in his quest to research the subject and get to the truth.


Within a very short space of time, we were able to conclude and have verified, that there were many things seriously wrong with the Church. And as we sat on the sofa discussing this, we both felt an enormous sense of relief , as we realised we were discovering and confronting the truth and we were getting ourselves out of the trap we had woven around ourselves for so many years. It was amazing – although we did not have the full picture we already knew that we would never look at or act in the same way towards Scientology again. We both felt free – free to reach out and find out, free to decide and choose – and we knew we would not be choosing the path that the Church had “carefully tapped out” for us – it was a very good feeling - it was in fact a huge “release”.
:happydance:

And shortly thereafter,... the penny dropped – the reason for continual ethics handlings on the OTVII and VIII's

As you know “ Ethics” is used “to handle counter intention and other intention”. Once these are “removed”, ethics is stopped ... So if ethics was being used to handle these things, what were the counter and other intentions ?

I had a huge cog ... it was ANY OTHER INTENTION that anyone had, that was other than the SO's COMMAND INTENTION !!!:omg:

You see ... as far as the dedicated SO were concerned, I was not one of the most ethical beings on the planet – I was not in the SO ( nor was I on staff ) - further, I was not devoting every single waking hour to the expansion of Scientology like they were !!! What they wanted removed were any other ideas and activities that were cutting across this path – they wanted to get rid of the things that I was interested in, that did not align to Command Intention - the purpose was to make me one of them !!! That was what it was all about !!! :omg:

When you read the rave success stories of OTVIII's you'll see that this is exactly right – they all rave about how they are now going off to boom their area in some major way – devoting their life to the cause even MORE than before !!!:duh:

I just thought OMG !!! I really don't want THAT !!! And at that point I knew I was finished with my journey up the Bridge and would have no regrets about that. :yes:

You get to the top of the Bridge to became exactly what the SO wants – a diligent, unquestioning, industrious Scientologist , whose main aim in life is to forward Scientology in every means possible. Ummm – this is not my idea of Total Freedom or Spiritual Enlightenment. :grouch:

Helluvahoax hit the nail on the head - you get to the top of the Bridge to become a Scientology slave !!!:thumbsup:

I wonder how many OTVII's and VIII's have also had this cognition – I know quite a few who have. It makes me wonder if the Freewinds will ever be able to release OTIX and X - how many are left who want it ??? :no:

I'd say there was much truth in your cog.

I'd suggest some additional factors. Primarily money. No 6 month sec check no money from those on ot VII, no more opportunities to leverage them in to contributing more money or whatever. Without these sec checks I wonder what the income of COS would be? Far far less I'm sure.

Additionally less opportunity for DM to exercise his wish for power glory,
control and acclamation.

Concentrating on recent O/Ws is pure bullshit.

One is supposed to become a better person when one goes up the bridge.

Did the first general FPRD form at my own request. Utterly brilliant!

Enforced multiple exposure is..... well I'm OK with the term slavery there.
 

HolyCow

Patron with Honors
Thanks for taking the time for this post, especially as it deals with the newest, latest, bestest "carrot" (OT8).

In the 80's when OT V was the newest, latest, and some SO members got to do it, within short order about 98% of 'em got whisked away into the RPF (in PAC).

Why? Can you imagine SO staff, top of the bridge, Not being able to pull off high upstats all the time, or not being able to show "cause over life" ... for all to see?

:omg:
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
"Total Freedom" is the emotional button used to blind Scientologists to the fact that they are being led into total slavery.

Great story, Mrs. Pattycake. Very revealing.

I hope every Scientologist gets a chance to read it, and to decide for themselves what it means.
 

chipgallo

Patron Meritorious
It would be wonderful to have this as a PDF or other kind of download. With permission, I could snag it out of the message stream and format it and find a place to host it.

Thanks for taking the time to share this, Mrs. P!
 

FoTi

Crusader
Thanks Mrs. P. for telling this part of your story here. This should be read by everybody!!!! Wonderful of you to share this with all of us. :thumbsup:
 

Mrs Pattycake

Patron with Honors
Thanks everyone for your wonderful comments - there were some interesting questions in there too - I have had a busy few days and have not had chance to reply but I will try - as I really appreciate your interest.

It is great to be able to tell my story and be duplicated by so many lovely people. Thanks again for making me feel so understood and welcome here.

Whilst leaving Scientology was the best thing I have done in years... it has not been the easiest - there have been times when I have struggled to re orient myself to life.
Then I wonder how can this be ? - my life is pretty fantastic but ... all is not fully settled yet . I sure have learnt some lessons along the way and I guess there are more to come. :yes:
 

Outethicsofficer

Silver Meritorious Patron
Thanks

Very well written, I have yet to see a genuinely happy person travelling the route of the bridge, like you I would NOT want to live on a planet run by the SO.

Thank you for telling it as it is.
James
 

Amadeus Einstein

Patron with Honors
And shortly thereafter,... the penny dropped – the reason for continual ethics handlings on the OTVII and VIII's

As you know “ Ethics” is used “to handle counter intention and other intention”. Once these are “removed”, ethics is stopped ... So if ethics was being used to handle these things, what were the counter and other intentions ?

I had a huge cog ... it was ANY OTHER INTENTION that anyone had, that was other than the SO's COMMAND INTENTION !!!:omg:

You see ... as far as the dedicated SO were concerned, I was not one of the most ethical beings on the planet – I was not in the SO ( nor was I on staff ) - further, I was not devoting every single waking hour to the expansion of Scientology like they were !!! What they wanted removed were any other ideas and activities that were cutting across this path – they wanted to get rid of the things that I was interested in, that did not align to Command Intention - the purpose was to make me one of them !!! That was what it was all about !!! :omg:

I stubbornly continued to follow my own outside interests even when on staff. If challenged on it, in Ethics, I would ask the MAA, if LRH could do all these zillions of things and become professional in numerous fields, then why are we only restricted to ONE thing in life that we're supposed to do (i.e. Scn)? I would insist that I am a polymath, not a dilettante, and who in the Org was qualified to disagree? Surprisingly, no one ever had a good answer. :whistling:
 

Kookaburra

Gold Meritorious Patron
Vicky, that was a great post. It is EXACTLY what Scientologists who are grabbing for that carrot need to read. EXACTLY.

It is that mystery of OT and the promise of spiritual freedom they need the truth revealed to them..... before they fork over $350,000 to be hammered into a model slave.

So glad you two are out and are speaking up. :yes:
 

Megalomaniac

Silver Meritorious Patron
Hey Mrs. P,

Yep. When I first saw the quote about the purpose of ethics, I didn't like it. :no:
"the purpose of ethics is to remove counter intentions from the environment. And having accomplished that the purpose becomes to remove other intentionedness from the environment"

It's nice to finally really put myself above LRH to choose what is truth. Now we can reject stuff like this at will. :happydance: False! Poof! Gone! :pixiedust:


Also LRH says that one of the oldest tricks in the Universe is to tell someone that it is not OK or safe to Look over there. :thumbsup:

Hey, that would make a great handout or protest sign. Could you source the exact quote on that?

It feels a bit mischievous to use one point of LRH (that I agree with) to argue with someone against another point of LRH (that I don't agree with). But, hey, that's mental freedom. Each of us gets to decide for ourself, point by point, what is the truth. :thumbsup:

Love to Jack and Courtney! :kangaroo:
mac
 
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