Writing a research paper

[Zinjifar]

They might actually have a straight answer for that.

So, try it and see. That's research. And, don't count on it.

Zinj

 

[lashonda]

So, try it and see. That's research. And, don't count on it.

Zinj

I'll only do that if you think they'll give me a straight answer about course costs without asking me for my name and personal information. Supplying an email would be asking for too much.

 

[Panda Termint]

See? You're learning stuff already.
If you won't give them your personal details then the only answer you're gonna get to "How much does it cost?" is...

"How much have you got?"

(Try Googling "scientology pricelist".)

 

[lashonda]

See? You're learning stuff already.
If you won't give them your personal details then the only answer you're gonna get to "How much does it cost?" is...

"How much have you got?"

(Try Googling "scientology pricelist".)

LOL Thanks for the tip. I've been finding conflicting info on the web all day. That's why I decided to try an online forum.

 

[lashonda]

Panda, thanks for a straight answer. OMG You have got to be kidding me. This was the info I was looking for. Thanks again.

L

 

[Dulloldfart]

For instance, during one of your first sessions with an e-meter what type of questions do the auditors ask? What are some typical responses? Also, do they still use the security checks sheet? I found a lot of conflicting information about that on the web. Thanks in advance for the answers to my questions.

If one is receiving a free stress test, does anyone know what types of questions they ask? What is the allure that brings people to Scientology in the very beginning? How does one get sucked in? I thought the key might be in the questions.

The free stress test is designed to show the person that thinking of something "hot" (i.e., emotionally charged) reacts on the e-meter. The question(s) would be along the lines of "Think of something very stressful in your life." The exact wording isn't important, and could be varied to suit the individual being asked. The whole point is to get the person to put his attention on something that is hot to him personally at that exact moment.

The actual item could be anything. It could be an argument he just had with his girlfriend; the fact that he's embarrassed about just looking at the interviewer's tits and wondered if she noticed; his plan to write a research paper about his ongoing experience; he just murdered his grandmother for real; anything at all. He doesn't have to voice it for it to react on the meter.

The allure comes in when a person "has a win." Maybe he's got an upset with his friend over his friend not paying for a drink the other night. He's been nursing this grudge for a few days now. In a simple session he suddenly remembers an earlier time a year ago when he didn't pay back his friend some money he owed, and when he remembers this the current upset vanishes. He experiences relief, and probably laughs at getting it wrong. It was being held in place by the earlier incident, and the *apparent* cause (the friend not paying for the drink) wasn't the real cause at all.

That list of sec check questions is still used as one small part of Grade II. Its importance tends to get blown out of proportion in online articles from critics.

Paul

 

[lashonda]

The free stress test is designed to show the person that thinking of something "hot" (i.e., emotionally charged) reacts on the e-meter. The question(s) would be along the lines of "Think of something very stressful in your life." The exact wording isn't important, and could be varied to suit the individual being asked. The whole point is to get the person to put his attention on something that is hot to him personally at that exact moment.

The actual item could be anything. It could be an argument he just had with his girlfriend; the fact that he's embarrassed about just looking at the interviewer's tits and wondered if she noticed; his plan to write a research paper about his ongoing experience; he just murdered his grandmother for real; anything at all. He doesn't have to voice it for it to react on the meter.

The allure comes in when a person "has a win." Maybe he's got an upset with his friend over his friend not paying for a drink the other night. He's been nursing this grudge for a few days now. In a simple session he suddenly remembers an earlier time a year ago when he didn't pay back his friend some money he owed, and when he remembers this the current upset vanishes. He experiences relief, and probably laughs at getting it wrong. It was being held in place by the earlier incident, and the *apparent* cause (the friend not paying for the drink) wasn't the real cause at all.

That list of sec check questions is still used as one small part of Grade II. Its importance tends to get blown out of proportion in online articles from critics.

Paul

Thank you, Paul, for this information.

L

 

[Type4_PTS]

I determined this by the word 'suck-in'. In my language ( I am sure you noticed that English is not my native language ) this word is only used in an extremely negative context.

Correct. Seems to be a totally appropriate use of the word from an unbiased person when speaking about the cult.

If I make a statement that "a con artist sucked in his victims through the use of fraud and deception"..........would you say that I am biased?

 

[Tiger Lily]

I'd just like to know where this school is that seems to produce an unending stream of people whose concept of 'research' is to anonymously ask relatively irrelevant questions about a subject on an internet forum.

Zinj

Heck Zinj -- I'd do it. . . She probably isn't going to quote us individually as "credible sources" or anything, but we have the knowledge and experience to guide her to the information she's looking for.

Applied Scholastics?

Panda, that was hilarious. I don't agree with your premise in this case, but Touche!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Why don't you ask the 'Church' of Scientology? That might lead to a whole different subject for your 'research'; i.e. 'How hard is it to get a straight answer from a Scientologist about Scientology?'

Zinj

Good point!

And if you decide to ask SCIENTOLOGY about the cost of Intro Courses, why don't you try asking them this....

"IF I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING UP TO OT VIII AND ALL THE TRAINING AND "L'S" HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST?"

They will absolutely not answer that question. They will misdirect you and offer confusing information to blow you off that line of inquiry.

They will talk about how you can do "training" and get your auditing for free. They will talk about how some folks join staff and don't have to pay to go Clear or full OT.

But they will not answer that question. It is forbidden.

It is so forbidden that most of the people working in Scientology organizations actually DO NOT KNOW how much it costs. They may have been in Scientology for decades but never bothered to sit down with a calculator for 3 minutes and add up all the levels on the "Grade Chart" that leads to "Total Freedom".

There is very accurate price info on the web and it roughly calculates out to about $ 360,000. That does not include many, many "other costs" of doing Scientology such as required donations, hotel accommodations, additional 6-month mandatory visits to the center in Florida called "Flag" etc. etc. etc. A half million dollars is an easy sum to spend on Scientology for one person. Married couple, easy million.

Whether Scientology works or not (there will be people lined up on both sides to give you an earful) it is very curious that Scientology refuses to tell how much they charge for "total freedom".

I have researched hundreds of subjects in my various enterprises and writings over the years and if I ran across a flashing-red-light and blaring-siren like that, I would take very, very special notice of it. Because where there is smoke there is a Wall of Fire (you might want to google that last idiom too).

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Pandora's Research....

RESEARCHER
Hi! I am researching freedom and would like to know
how much you charge for total freedom and when
I can meet a person who has achieved total freedom.

SCIENTOLOGIST
(smiling much)
I am so happy you are reaching for freedom. I would
love to help you and answer all your questions!

-----------------a few minutes later---------------

ANOTHER SCIENTOLOGIST
Who was that Wog?

SCIENTOLOGIST
A total SP. Don't worry, I told them an Acceptable Truth
and they bought my Shore Story...and now I am going
to do the Greatest Good for the Greatest Number of Dynamics
and I am going to Fair Game them!

ANOTHER SCIENTOLOGIST
Wow! What a huge Win!
​

 

[JackStraw]

I'd just like to know where this school is that seems to produce an unending stream of people whose concept of 'research' is to anonymously ask relatively irrelevant questions about a subject on an internet forum.

Zinj

Back in the mid to late '90s at the Palo Alto Mission we used to get a stream of young adults coming in each year, (if memory serves) just after Christmas.

They were "curious", about Scn, what it was, how it worked etc. but were evasive and, if you'll excuse the scientologese, withholdy, generally.

Cindy Feshbach, Mission Holder and, at the time, ED, also got curious. She had a couple of these guys (girls, this time) in to her office for a "chat."

Using her charm and auditing skills (both considerable) she got these girls to "spill the beans." They were in a class at Stanford (nearby university) and the prof had the kids check out various churches, groups, etc.

She ended up calling or visiting the prof, letting him know she knew the score and he stopped sending them around.

Jack

 

[Zinjifar]

any such 'researcher' would fit the bill as a PTS Type F-J and be sent away with a handling and 'shore story'.

Zinj

 

[lashonda]

What is a PTS Type F-J? Can you elaborate more?

 

[Zinjifar]

What is a PTS Type F-J? Can you elaborate more?

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PTS Type A; intimately connected with persons with known antagonism to
mental or spiritual treatment or Scientology. ....


PTS Type B; criminals


PTS Type C; persons who have ever threatened to sue or embarrass or attack or have publicly attacked Scientology....


PTS Type D; responsible for condition cases


PTS Type E; persons not being audited on their own determinism.


PTS Type F; persons who want to be processed to see if Scientology works.


PTS Type G; persons who claim that "if you help such and such a case"
everybody will want Scientology.


PTS Type H; persons who "have an open mind"., but no personal hopes or
desires for auditing or knowingness.


PTS Type I; persons who do not believe anything or anyone can get better.


PTS Type J; persons attempting to sit in judgement on Scientology.


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Zinj

 

[lashonda]

Thank you, Zin.

 

[lashonda]

I have another ? Do you have a code for when you are drawing too much attention to yourself and you are in a public setting? I'm going through the codes but I can't find what I am looking for.

 

[Zinjifar]

It's not scientologese, but, 'Attention Whore' might fit

Zinj

 

[lashonda]

I found MoC. is that about right?

 

[practice]

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PTS Type A; intimately connected with persons with known antagonism to
mental or spiritual treatment or Scientology. ....


PTS Type B; criminals


PTS Type C; persons who have ever threatened to sue or embarrass or attack or have publicly attacked Scientology....


PTS Type D; responsible for condition cases


PTS Type E; persons not being audited on their own determinism.


PTS Type F; persons who want to be processed to see if Scientology works.


PTS Type G; persons who claim that "if you help such and such a case"
everybody will want Scientology.


PTS Type H; persons who "have an open mind"., but no personal hopes or
desires for auditing or knowingness.


PTS Type I; persons who do not believe anything or anyone can get better.


PTS Type J; persons attempting to sit in judgement on Scientology.


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Zinj

Is this for real??

Scientology never ceases to amaze.