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Discussion in 'New Member Introductions' started by SmellYaThetaBitch, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Yeh, whatever, that post or an earlier one, you still made it clear that you think this forum is toxic and you are trying your best to get another member who is new (Voodoo) to agree with you. If you subtly sidestepped saying you were leaving outright but inferred the same, it doesn't matter to me. I don't care and it's obvious what you are doing. I am still ignoring you and not taking your bait. I want nothing to do with you. END OF CONVERSATION.

    I honestly can't believe I wasted as much time as I have this week talking to you. Bye.
  2. Karakorum

    Karakorum supressively reasonable

    No, I have not done so. I said that if I come to the conclusion that there is no further benefit to be found on the forum (just angry and/or toxic posters), then I will leave.

    I will not leave just because some people would like to have it that way, as long as I still consider that there is something of value on the forums. I dont think I can put this in a more clear and straightforward way.

    As you wish - goodbye.
  3. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    This thread is a perfect example of what Scientology does which is to tear relationships to shreds.

    People who do the Bridge think they have achieved something that places them above others, that they know something now that others don't.

    Therefore you have to disconnect with people because they don't gen your knowledge and they are just out to make you lose.

    Scientology, even those who keep quiet about it still think they have the edge and cannot communicate with those who they think don't.

    Hubbard said it in KSW I that a Scientologist is in the upper echelon of intelligent people on earth so of course anyone else must be not of such caliber.

    Someone who has left Scientology is not going to agree that Scientology works on any level.

    Those who think the tech is workable have not left Scientology, they only left a situation they didn't like but those same people can find workability in the policies as well which the Independents have done. They are modeloing their church like Hubbards minus a few things they never agreed with anyway.

    Those who left, left, and those who didn't want different rules for applying it, but the tech and policy were both written by the same guy and they can't seem to see that.

    Somehow there was a Jekyl Hubbard and Hyde Hubbard who were the same body but different personalities. Some people believe Hubbard was gotten to and they changed him. Not a very good resume for an OT

    Anyway, Scientology has proven once again it tears relationships to shreds.
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  4. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

    Sheila, it was an analogy. That's why I prefaced my statement with the words, "Reminds me of..."

    I'm not accusing Strativarius of being racist. What I'm saying is that he's doing the same thing to me, that that real estate salesman did to my parents, albeit for different reasons.

    He suggests that I leave ESMB and find some other forum where I'll "fit in" better. That's as bigoted as any racist thing that's ever been said to me. What - I'm not good enough for Strat's company because I admit to having experienced some good from Scientology -- like so many others have done before me on this website?

    Thanks for reaching out and trying to mediate this. I appreciate that.

    Interesting. I wonder if he's asked others to leave for the same reason.
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  5. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    I wish this didn't happen but it does occasionally ... the only time most of us get a bit obstreperous is when some silly arse actually tries to promote scientology here but I've never seen you do that and doubt I ever will.

    I'm enjoying the calm way you are communicating your truths and hope you never change.
  6. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

    Thank you for the kind words, Sheila.

    Strat and I have chit chatted via pm. We're both musicians, and have some reality there. I don't dislike him at all -- just don't know why he all of a sudden up and asked me to leave the forum.

    He sort of blindsided me with that post, which prompted a shocked response from me. Here I am, six years peeling off layers of the onion, and he castigates me for having onion layers. Huh? I thought that was one of the prime purposes of ESMB.

    So what - only devout anti-Scn's are allowed here? Since when?

    I need to go read Emma's mission statement.
  7. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

    Actually, K, the two things are more similar than you might think. Racial discrimination versus religious discrimination -- not much difference, really. Both are scourges on mankind, and have resulted in hundreds of millions of deaths over the centuries. Not much difference.

    Yeah, I've seen it too, but not to a toxic degree. ESMB seems fairly democratic in most respects. Emma seems to allow free speech to reign, within reasonable boundaries. Heck, I've seen posts written by active church members, and no one tried to shut them up or have them banned. Mostly, people were very helpful and supportive on the threads I've seen.

    I've got no hard feelings about that conversation, mate. It was just a vigorous debate. We learned a bit about each other.

    You were brave to disclose that part of your personal history so soon after joining here. Having OSA/Ethics Officer on your CV isn't exactly the kind of thing that ex-Scn's admire.
  8. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

    No, I doubt you'll ever see me doing that here. I suspect most people arriving at ESMB have a good deal of experience with the cult already, and don't need or want anyone trying to recover them into the fold.

    I should add that these conversations can sometimes go astray because people forget to differentiate between Scientology (the theory and practice) and Scientology (the organization). They're two very distinct and separate things. One can be totally divorced from one, while still finding something of value in the other.

    Those who've divorced themselves from both of them can sometimes fail to ascertain the other person's degree of acceptance of Scn as a whole. How many layers of the onion have they peeled off? If they're like me, they're down to accepting that the lower Bridge has some validity, but they've rejected the upper Bridge, the organization, and Hubbard as the sole Source of Dn & Scn.

    Thank you. I'm just the same old me. What you see is what you get. :)
  9. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Listen mate, if I'm bigoted as regards scientology then I'm quite happy to be called one.

    I see that you tagged @Emma to draw her attention to this. Bravo!

    That's my last word to you on this message board.
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2019
  10. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

    As you wish.
  11. Karakorum

    Karakorum supressively reasonable

    I was not initially thinking of that disagreement in terms of religious discrimination. Once you mentioned it this way, then the analogy to racism makes perfect sense.

    On forums its always a balancing act. Too much moderation prevents the free exchange of opinions, plus it can spark "baiting" - malicious users trying to provoke others to brake some rule, so they can get reported and banned. Too little moderation can give space for relational aggression by trolls or members with radical ideas and hostile altitudes.

    Both extremes are harmful.

    Agreed. No grudges are held on my side as well.


    I'm aware its hardly a popular thing and I wasn't expecting to get any sympathy for it. If someone doesn't trust me because of my previous posts, that's fine with me - I can undestand that.
    I can still get annoyed by instances when me being ethics becomes suddenly anathema for someone only after they find out I have different opinions on some matter unrelated to scn.
  12. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    ESMB used to be much more tolerant of the tech favorable denizens. They for the most part left a number of years ago. The mood in 2007 was quite different than today. I miss many of them: Lionheart, Gadfly, Alan, Ted, Leon, nexus, Pandatermint and many many more that had interesting viewpoints and stories to share.
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  13. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    And Mystic and The Anabaptist Jacques and Aunt Pat and Balthasar and CarmeloOrchard...
  14. Emma

    Emma Con te partirĂ² Administrator

    Jeeezuz....when did we get to a point of not even being able to discuss Scientology pros & cons without throwing toys out of the pram. No one on this thread is peddling Scientology. Bits of Scientology are being discussed. For Christs sake, there has to be SOME areas of Scientology that worked or seemed logical that kept us all in for so long. I'm not afraid to tell you what I think was correct/logical/workable....Serfacs/Overt motivator sequence/ARC triangle plus a few more.

    Are you going to ask me to leave ESMB?
  15. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Why would you say "someone who leaves Scientology is not going to agree Scientology works on any level"

    Absurd statement. Large numbers leave and do it outside the church. Many others, like myself leave and go do other things but are still grateful for what we learned and gained from the study.


    You antiscn's have a greater contempt for truth than Hubbard ever achieved...
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  16. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Deleted, duplicate post.
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2019
  17. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Oh shoosh already CP, you're late, as usual. :deadhorse: Emma has already commented. End of. :theend:

    The rest of FTs post was good, anyway. Let's not get all snickety pickety now.

    I can just picture you with a (something) in your hand, swearing with a fist out.


    Now you settle down now (said with a caring,but lightly stern look). Here's a vid for you that you'll love (final scene):

    Last edited: Jun 19, 2019
  18. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    I just read Emma's recent post and HOORAH! for it

    Emma is da BEST!!!

    A highly intelligent woman with a keen mind a warm heart a refined concept of truth nd most exemplary COURAGE!
  19. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    There it is right there, you believe Hubbard gave you truth. To me, that means you have not left Scientology, you only left the church.

    Do you believe Hubbard wrote everything in Scientology? You left the church because of policy written by him but his tech is OK?
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  20. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    I left staff because after too much bullshit had already piled up some whacked out mission from The Apollo showed up and for reasons unknown removed me from post, told m not to communicate ith staff members and put me on GO lines which office proceeded to ignore me

    Everything when ron was alive had a double imprimatur; LRH CSI