You can produce, control and enjoy high cuality hallucinations while asleep.

[Edugui]

And it is called, The Phase, also known as; astral travel, out of body experiences, or lucid dreams.

You can learn more here.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/131513/THE_PHASE_Documentary/

Sorry, I meant, quality.

 

[Demented LRH]

And it is called, The Phase, also known as; astral travel, out of body experiences, or lucid dreams.You can learn more here.Sorry, I meant, quality.

You don't have to fall asleep to have that. Just take a little yellow pill called LSD (I did that). Then the universe will be talking to you and might even reveal some of its secrets.

 

[Veda]

Despositing three posts from three old threads - each is somehow related to the subject matter.

I only just quickly scanned this thread, but there seem to be several different topics being discussed here.

The first is that L. Ron Hubbard, an inveterate liar, should be taken at his word when he makes fantastic claims or tells fantastic tales.

Then is the idea that "agreement = reality."

And that "agreement = reality" to the extent that, if several people thoroughly agreed on the existence of an object in space and time, that the object would appear, not just subjectively for each of them, but objectively to the extent that it could be perceived by others, weighed, measured, photographed, etc. It would exist as a physical object in the physical universe.

Then there is the idea of lucid dreaming. This is sometimes understood to mean dreaming that is extremely vivid; however lucid dreaming is not just vivid dreaming, but another state of consciousness where one is both dreaming and awake. One is aware, while lucid dreaming, that one is dreaming and, in more developed lucid dreaming, is aware that one is experiencing a particular or peculiar state of consciousness.

Usually, the states of consciousness (or unconsciousness) recognized are normal waking consciousness, dreaming, and deep - dreamless - sleep. A fourth state, a state of transcendent consciousness, is recognized by some, and the idea is that "normal waking consciousness" is, itself, a kind of trance state, with higher or transcendent consciousness being true wakefulness.

So that would make four states, plus being awake while dreaming which would be a fifth state.

A person in a state of advanced lucid - wakeful - dreaming would be aware, not only that he is dreaming, but that he is in another state of consciousness. He would be able to remember that he has a body that is sleeping in a particular time and place, and yet still experience the seemingly separate occurrence of being awake while the physical body is asleep, and experience the seeming separate space of that state of wakefulness. The environment he experiences may be quite elaborate and, he will find, as he progresses, that he can exert more and more conscious control over what he experiences.

His limitations result mainly from his own lack of will and lack of focus, the inability to sustain a thought, and the inability to be aware of many factors simultaneously.

During occurrences when he is able to overcome these limitations, it can become, to put it mildly, very strange and very interesting.

At this point, other subjects, beyond conventional science, may be considered. One of those is astral travel and the existence of the astral body. This astral is loosely defined as a more rarefied form of the phenomenal universe: another plane - or level - of existence.

It has been speculated, for example, that depictions of Hindu deities, with multiple arms, are depictions of beings with a sustained consciousness of two or more planes of existence.

Humans, of course, are only usually only aware of one plane of existence.

Lucid dreamers, at an advanced stage of lucid dreaming, may experience what is called astral travel, and may, when returning the astral body to coincide with the physical body, experience - briefly - having two sets of arms, one physical, one astral.

There is also the separation from the astral body by the center of consciousness, freeing the center of consciousness from dependence on the astral body. The person, so the idea goes, is ascending through degrees of rarefaction: physical, astral, and then a more pure form of existence as a consciousness.

Advanced lucid dreaming may seem to not be dreaming at all, but a state of wakefulness, separate from, and additional to, the state of ordinary wakefulness.

This can include seeming perception of the physical universe and what is known as out-of-the-body experience.

It could also, so the idea goes, include contact with other beings and shared experiences or thoughts with those beings.

Does that pretty well cover the various topics under discussion?

I think so - well, except for establishing any of this scientifically. That's a problematic area.

Remote Viewing, as it's defined these days, is usually clairvoyance; astral travel, of course, involves a rarefied body as a vehicle.

Hubbard omitted astral travel from the Scientology curriculum. Was it a missing step?

From Aleister Crowley's 'Magick in Theory and Practice' -

This text is mentioned in the 'Philadelphia Doctorate Course' lectures of 1952, with the title 'The Master Therion'.

Chapter XVIII: '...Body of Light, its Power and Development...':

"You may also try 'Rising on the Planes' with a little practice... you ought to be able to step in and out of the astral body as easily as you slip in and out of a dressing gown. It will then no longer be necessary for your astral body to be sent far off..."

The idea, it seems, was to be out of the physical body with an astral body, and then be out of the astral body.

Looks like Hubbard skipped a level of rarefaction. Oops.

IMO, there are many things that might be regarded as (Scientology term) "exteriorization." Hubbard made millions promising people "exteriorization with full perception," "stably and at will." Scientology didn't deliver, and Scientology regs and PR people have been weasel-wording their way out of that for decades (usually after the person has spent his money on the "OT levels" and been disappointed.)

In 'DMSMH', the word "exteriorization" is used to mean a kind of disassociation with regard to recall: the person recalls having burned his finger on a hot toaster in a kitchen, and sees his body in the kitchen as though exterior from it. This was not regarded as being out of the body, but a tendency to remember by re-creating the incident in ones mind rather than simply viewing the actual facsimiles of the event, which would have the person experiencing the event from inside his head and not seeing himself from outside. To "run" the incident properly, it would be necessary to bring the person "in valence," so he/she could view the facsimiles of the incident as-is, and not as a re-created version produced by his/her imagination.

The above 1950 Dianetic use of "exteriorization" is largely disregarded, as Scientologists are usually eager to "have gone exterior." IMO, much of the time this is group-pressure and wishful thinking.

As with the process of abreaction http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/abreaction , psychical phenomena (or interest in it) http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=239573&postcount=60 is exploited by Scientology, so it's a very mixed up situation - probably a dozen items are classed as the state of being "exterior."

There's what could be called a state of psychological dissociation; the there's being in one's body yet extending a kind of etheric finger and touching or perceiving remotely, while still being "in the body"; then there's being a golf ball sized etheric amoeba popping out of the body; then there's astral travel with an astral body which separates from the body, and a more rarefied "body" that separates from that. (This seems to be a missing bit of information in Scientology which sees astral bodies as "some mystic's delusion." ['Scn 8-8008']; and then there's the idea that one is naturally (as a "being") much larger than the body and that the body is in oneself (or one's being) not the other way around.

Compare Robert Monroe's first out of body experience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MHBM8prTP8&feature=player_embedded

With L. Ron Hubbard talking about being up in the Van allen belt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaqQ4pXVypY

And some more stuff - for newbie lurkers...

Stanford Research Institute experimental psychologist Keith Harary, and Russell Targ, a physicist also from Stanford, wrote a book titled 'Mind Race' (as in 'space race'). It contains a section on the exploitation of psychic phenomena, or the promise of psychic phenomena, by cults.

Both were well aware of Scientology, and had worked with Ingo Swann, who did Scientology's "OT levels," and later (after leaving) described them as "disappointing." Swann claims to have been a natural psychic since childhood.

From the book, 'Mind Race':

"You won't find these groups listed under 'cults' in the Yellow pages. For income tax and public relations purposes, most refer to themselves as 'Churches'. But cults differ from traditional churches in several important ways...

"In our society, a person who is beginning to experience emerging psychic abilities, or who is interested in doing so, has almost nowhere to turn for guidance. Anyone with a purely scholarly interest in Psi research can write to various laboratories or read the research reports. But this information probably will not be of much practical personal use...

"This is the dilemma that leads many people to join cults in the first place. By accepting and exploiting psychic phenomena in a society that does not readily accept them, cults have effectively monopolized the subject of psi. They have exploited many people who are interested in learning about the area, and frightened many others away from ever considering the possibility...

"People are often drawn into cults that claim to offer explanations for psychic functioning, but at great personal, emotional, and financial expense to their followers. We think that giving away your mind is too high a price to pay for psychic development...

"For some people, the exposure to the possibility of developing their own psychic potential, which some cults appear to provide, may initially help certain individuals pay attention to areas of their own awareness that they might not otherwise consider exploring.

"But prolonged exposure to any cult's treatment of psychic abilities may seriously restrict the way its initiates view psychic functioning. And it may keep them from fully developing their actual psychic potential...

"Despite claims to the contrary by numerous factions, there is no evidence of an exclusive relationship between psychic functioning and any particular leader, doctrine , or way of life. Scientific evidence does strongly suggest that the ability to function psychically is a genuine human capacity which, for many people, seems to improve with practice."

Some links, in no particular order:

Rosicrucian telepathy: http://books.google.com/books?id=o_...Ymuw7XF&sig=HNSwCEEHt2fDbDge2Iq82Y-Bl2M&hl=en

Video excerpt from the 'Bardo', with Leonard Cohen narrating. (Ending segment not from original. Video may stick at beginning; if so, try tweaking.)

"Recognize them as a reflection of your own mind. Recognition and liberation are simultaneous."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-212863829226111861&q=tibetan+book+of+the+dead

The 'Sole Source Myth' thread (derailed somewhat after page 4): http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=510

Also, as an extra bonus, here's an exercise from the early 1900s that includes spanning attention, visualization (mock ups), specialized mock ups where a person attempts to place a mock up of the same size etc. as a physical object in the same space as the physical object, and projection of consciousness through the solar system.

It even warns about avoiding what amounts to "overrun."

(Note: "Nuit" - as used in the below link - denotes "Infinity.")

http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib536.html

Handy navigational aid: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/voyager-interstellar-terms.html

'Exteriorization vs dissociation' thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=485387

'On being Exterior, your views?' thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=20613