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Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australia

Discussion in 'Fair Game and Disconnection Victims' started by ccas, Sep 1, 2012.

  1. ccas

    ccas Patron

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    You are thinking with Scientology in your head. His brother didn't. Good for her.
     
  2. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    All done within an atmosphere of massive culture shock. She may have already been in OZ a few months (maybe not) before she joined the SO, but she would have been coddled along as a public to get more money, more family and friends to get into the cult. So that would have been a bit of insulation against culture shock. Once inside the SO, the culture shock would be massive. I suspect even people who join the SO within their own culture get culture shock when they first get into the SO. Much more so when a Taiwanese joins in OZ.
     
  3. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    Absolutely appalling. What a clown that lawyer came across as.

    For those who don't know Lateline is a flagship current affairs program of the national broadcaster - audience is mostly well educated, news afficionados.

    It would be great to see some of the tabloids ACA, Today Tonight pick this up...thus getting into the homes of the news-lite population.

    The idea of a cult trawling for bodies in Taiwan to come to Australia could also get the radio talkback going.

    THEN someone MIGHT get shamed into action.
     
  4. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi


    I er ... bet he does now.

    :whistling:

    It's lovely to see you here again BTW Gráinne.

    :blowkiss:
     
  5. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    FTS, you are spot on. The initial trigger was her request to leave. THIS is why she went into isolation, not sniffles and sneezes.

    I have known people who have been thrown in isolation for their disagreements or upsets with the ethics officer. Just thrown in a room, the door locked with guards who will not utter a word, no R factor as to why they are there. What a horrific terrifying experience!

    And even more frightening, it is becoming more commonplace. And the victims have signed the Lisa clause when they started out, likely with no idea of its implications at that stage, so are at an extreme disadvantage when prosecuting for unlawful imprisonment.

    She told Jack that one of the guys guarding her told her to take off her glasses because she looked much prettier without them, then hit her on the temple with a fire extinguisher.

    I don't think this is a standard part of the Introspection R/D, if indeed that is what they were trying to do, or just some untrained ethics officer's idea of a "type 3 handling" (more likely).

    Or she was just under guard because she asked to leave. Most likely scenario.

    Could be that the "guard" was one of the bottom of the barrel recruits that they couldn't do anything else with, so gave him the simple job of guarding a "type 3" or potential escapee. Anything could have happened and we will likely never know the truth, as Alice is no longer in any condition to tell us.

    Could well be why he was chosen. I think the cult realizes what hot water they are in and just needed a dupe to put between them and criminal charges.

    She was not already in Australia. She went directly onto EPF. I don't think she ever got further away from Dundas than the corner store.
     
  6. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    Holy Fuck! Straight to EPF.
     
  7. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    I've been avoiding this thread because I figured I'd fly into a rage. Despicable! It is so past time for these assholes to be put out of business forever! :angry:
     
  8. MissWog

    MissWog Silver Meritorious Patron

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    I have no idea what to say to this
     
  9. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    Just put a few bits and bobs about the lawyer at the Bunker:

    http://www.gibsonssolicitors.com.au/

    Web page looks pretty lame. Love who they refer to the firm as the Firm...he he he

    OMG - he does radio!! 3AW is a Melbourne station.

    Here's another nice news story:Stuart Gibson takes on twitter (note this on the page of the station he talks on)
    http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/melbourne-lawyer-takes-on-twitter/20120217-1tdec.html.

    And SMH article (one of our betters newspapers)
    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/payback-for-the-internets-creepy-cowboys-20120129-1qnzb.html.

    Talks about his Hollywood clients

     
  10. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron

  11. Xenu's Boyfriend

    Xenu's Boyfriend Silver Meritorious Patron

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    As far as I know, the law says any unwanted touch is considered an assault. If you toss a glass of water in someone's face that is an assault whether you put your hands on them or not. The Scientology drill where you are taught to physically force someone to face the wall, or walk across the room feels like a violation, and carried further, people being restrained and forced to stay in the room during an auditing session when they have tried to leave over and over (Jenna Hill describes this in her book), is also, in my opinion, an assault. It is also not uncommon, from what I've read, to be slapped for a "transgression" (Jenna also describes being punched by one teacher.) The fact that this woman was in the Sea Org makes me think anything is possible in the way she was treated.

    I thought it was creepy, when the camera showed the people in rows, marching and taking orders in their blue outfits. So creepy and sad.
     
  12. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    Maybe....."Where's me shotgun? Need to clear some varmints out!" Err, sorry, bit naughty.
     
  13. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

  14. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    Yes, that much was pretty obvious. He wasn't lying, he just doesn't know!
    I'm guessing that he's probably regretting accepting this particular client by now. :duh:
     
  15. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    One big reason, of course, is that it would be malpractice to not know of these things.

    It would be humorous, but it’s not reasonable that the Scientologists selected the most ignorant attorney on the planet in this exploding case. Alice is still alive.

    Did they hire him the night before the ABC interview, because of his extraordinary ability to categorically deny just about anything? No, it’s much more likely that he had at his fingertips everything about this incident – Alice Wu in iso – that has been reported, including on these message boards, the facts of the case, and his clients’ history and reputation.

    The level of either irresponsibility or insanity necessary for him to deny categorically what he denied can be seen in analogous situations with Mike Rinder and Tommy Davis.

    Davis categorically denied disconnection. The irresponsibility or insanity necessary for Tommy to categorically not to have known that disconnection was happening all around him is simply beyond belief. Tommy did know, and when he categorically denied its existence he lied.

    Rinder categorically denied ever being beaten by Miscavige. Now he says Miscavige beat him some fifty times. The irresponsibility or insanity necessary for Mike to categorically not to have known that Miscavige beat him is unfathomable. Mike did know, and when he categorically denied knowing he lied.

    Stuart Gibson knows about Scientology’s iso tech and its most famous product Lisa McPherson, and when he categorically denied its existence he lied. He very well might not have any background in Scientology, but he speaks like a Scientology PR and performed here in the same capacity as Rinder and Davis, and now Pouw.

    In Gibson’s case, even if he was so honestly ignorant or irresponsible that he didn’t know of isolation in Scientology, he lied by categorically denying its existence on what he had to know was no evidence.

    We must trust Steve Cannane’s reporting, and the editing, but accepting the story’s accuracy, I remain convinced Gibson lied. He does fall back on instructions from his clients, but not where he categorically denies iso’s existence.

    We’re considering clarifying the matter with Gibson directly, and will post our communication here if we do so.
     
  16. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    Yes, please. :clap:

    That will be the source of great lulz. :biggrin:

    Not only that, but he would never get away with claiming the same thing again.
     
  17. Nurse Pinch

    Nurse Pinch Patron with Honors

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    I actually felt a bit sorry for the lawyer. The cult will have said to him "If you want to know about Scilontrollogy, you should talk to a Scilon, don't believe everything you read". They would have then gone around to his office and "briefed" him on the case. The phrase, "Isolation is a derogatory term", smacks of something a Scilon handler would have said to him. You can see at 5:15, the exact moment the poor bastard realizes he has been fucked by his client. His answer later in the interview at 8:42 is not nearly as forthright, as he starts to realize the extent of his clients deception. Great stuff.

    Pinchy.
     
  18. ChurchOfCylontology

    ChurchOfCylontology Patron with Honors

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    Assault is a broader term that means the victim had an apprehension or expectation of violence. If I pick up a baseball and pretend to throw it at you, with perceived intention of inflicting harm, but I miss then that is assault. My torts professor actually demonstrated assault by picking up the chalkboard eraser and throwing it at a student but missing on purpose. However the student didn't know that he missed on purpose and had the expectation of being hit. This is assault.

    A lot of law professors are assholes. I really don't miss that experience.
     
  19. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    I have to disagree. Google this guy. He does litigation against bloggers. He attacks free speech. He is not nice.

    Also, he ain't innocent. He doesn't know specifics about doctrine, but he wouldn't go on TV without knowing who Scientology were.
     
  20. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    Re: Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australi

    Yep. He is an anti-free speech vulture. I despise him. He'll probably sue everyone for me saying that as well.