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Silver Meritorious Patron
Does anyone know of people who've gotten their folders back and how they did it?

If you've been off auditing lines for a while, chances are your folders are buried in some archive along with thousands of other off-line ex-scientologists' folders that no one has looked at for years.

Could be that the contents have been lost, water-damaged, dropped, spilled, gathered up and confused/obscured with material from several other people's folders.

Thanks to GAT training and the offloading, SP-declaring, RPFing and otherwise destroying anyone with any "real" tech know-how (that is, if you assume there is indeed such a thing, which I don't) even if you WANTED to continue getting auditing at the CoS chances are they couldn't find your folders or "correctly" interpret what's in them.

What are they gonna do? go to the press and say "we found this material in Sargon the Cherub's confessions to the Church of Scientology!" to which you can answer, "say, what?? you people are f'ing crazy and must have me confused with someone else!"

Fear is the mind-killer; you have nothing to fear but fear itself.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
If you've been off auditing lines for a while, chances are your folders are buried in some archive along with thousands of other off-line ex-scientologists' folders that no one has looked at for years.

Could be that the contents have been lost, water-damaged, dropped, spilled, gathered up and confused/obscured with material from several other people's folders.

Thanks to GAT training and the offloading, SP-declaring, RPFing and otherwise destroying anyone with any "real" tech know-how (that is, if you assume there is indeed such a thing, which I don't) even if you WANTED to continue getting auditing at the CoS chances are they couldn't find your folders or "correctly" interpret what's in them.

What are they gonna do? go to the press and say "we found this material in Sargon the Cherub's confessions to the Church of Scientology!" to which you can answer, "say, what?? you people are f'ing crazy and must have me confused with someone else!"

Fear is the mind-killer; you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

Good point.

The Church of Scientology has nothing to gain by demonstrating a breach of trust to their own parishoners. And that's what 90% of their actions and communications are targeting - their own parishoners.

It's more important to keep the flock together (and paying) than it is to try to dead agent someone just trying to have a music career.

Do not let anything you say or do against the CofS scare you into living the exact life that you want.

Speak Freely - Criticize the hell out of the CofS.

And Flourish and Prosper.
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
If you've been off auditing lines for a while, chances are your folders are buried in some archive along with thousands of other off-line ex-scientologists' folders that no one has looked at for years.

Could be that the contents have been lost, water-damaged, dropped, spilled, gathered up and confused/obscured with material from several other people's folders.

Thanks to GAT training and the offloading, SP-declaring, RPFing and otherwise destroying anyone with any "real" tech know-how (that is, if you assume there is indeed such a thing, which I don't) even if you WANTED to continue getting auditing at the CoS chances are they couldn't find your folders or "correctly" interpret what's in them.

What are they gonna do? go to the press and say "we found this material in Sargon the Cherub's confessions to the Church of Scientology!" to which you can answer, "say, what?? you people are f'ing crazy and must have me confused with someone else!"

Fear is the mind-killer; you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

Well stated. Thank you!!
 

Veda

Sponsor
Good point.

The Church of Scientology has nothing to gain by demonstrating a breach of trust to their own parishoners. And that's what 90% of their actions and communications are targeting - their own parishoners.

It's more important to keep the flock together (and paying) than it is to try to dead agent someone just trying to have a music career.

Do not let anything you say or do against the CofS scare you into living the exact life that you want.

Speak Freely - Criticize the hell out of the CofS.

And Flourish and Prosper.

If done "skillfully," it wouldn't be "demonstrated," in that you'd never hear about it. What's looked for is a person's vulnerabilities.

For example, (actual situation) a young woman, threatening to go to the press if she didn't receive a refund, was told, "It would be a shame if your (Roman Catholic) parents and your (very elderly) grandmother found out that you had an abortion while in your freshman year at college." How would they "find out"? Probably by an anonymous phone call. Would it prove an abortion had occurred? No. Did it, nonetheless, create fear in the young woman and make her back off? Yes.

Or (also an actual account) a chiropractor, who had been to a Scientology ('Wise' sponsored front group) "Seminar," and decided that he was unsatisfied and wanted a refund, and threatened to speak to the press.

The Seminar, and related "services," included a "consultation" with a metered check of "withholds," (to "ensure maximum gains") and revealed that the chiropractor had cheated on his income tax. (Scientology had absolutely no problem with his having cheated on his taxes, until he became "uncooperative," and "antagonistic" with Scientology.)

So, the chiropractor received a letter from the Scientology "business consultation" front group warning that the IRS (tax people) might just be informed if he didn't back off. (After all, Scientology is very law abiding, etc.) In this case the chiropractor refused to back off, and even sent the letter to publisher Lyle Stuart who, in turn, mailed out copies with the person's permission.

So this approach "works" to some extent. In fact there are even forms that are used in PC Folder Culling, for noting such things as Total TA, Drugs used, sex details, crimes, any withholds, etc. etc.

Most Scientologists don't think for a moment that they'd be regarded as "potential enemies" (everyone in Scientology is), just as most Scientologists don't have a clue as to the details of Hubbard's "Scientology Intelligence tech," and those who work for "OSA," in some capacity (or in any "OSA"-related activity) will have had their ethics and PC folders culled as standard procedure, in advance.

So it still goes on - and it's up to each person to decide if he or she will allow it to affect him or her.

Note: The "parishioners" are not as important as one might think.

The "Church of Scientology" is - after all - only another Front group for the Scientology operation - granted it's the number one Front group.
 
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