The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Hi Maria, I'm very happy that you took my critique of your post in the constructive manner in which I intended it. Also, I am happy that you agreed with some of the examples which I gave. I do thank you very much for the clarification you present above as to why you were speaking and the fact that you were speaking to over-ego both inside and outside of CoS.

Now, onto the question you directly asked me and the question you compared it to, the chicken and the egg problem, I am going to attempt answers to both questions. First, let me state that I believe that I believe I know the answer to the question of which came first, the chicken or the egg? Actually, the answer I have is quite simple and it is based totally on empirical evidence.

Consider a similar question, what came first the automobile or the automobile factory? If you consider that question on a par with the chicken and the egg question, the answer is immediately apparent!! I think the year was 1889 and the place was in Germany and someone named Gottfried Daimler built the first gasoline powered automobile that was able to run, be steered and be stopped. Note that no automobile factory had yet been constructed. True, the car had to be built someplace, undoubtedly in Daimler's garage. Various parts had to either be purchased from other sources and produced by Daimler as well. For example, wheels, the suspension system, the car body and possible the brakes might have been purchased from a horse drawn carriage maker and brought to Daimler's garage. Some might even say that the garage, in this case, was the first automobile factory and therefore the factory came first.

I would maintain strongly that the automobile came first. There is no doubt about it. The garage was a garage. All Daimler needed were various parts, various tools, and a space in which to do his assembly. This same sequence applies for probably every product dreamed up by mankind. There were books or even scrolls before the first book factory, a prototype tank had to exist before any tank factory could be built, etc., etc.

In fact, the product always has to exist first because the factory must be designed around the product which is going to be built there. How could someone build an automobile factory until at least one successful prototype automobile had become operational? Therefore, I say the a living chicken had to exist before the first egg was hatched!

Your second question is much harder to answer. "Do you think that this ability to push further came from natural endowment, e.g., a genius such as Einstein did it because he has more gifts or is effort on its own the main cause?" I have never contemplated the question before so let's take a look at it. Definitely Einstein had more gifts than others, there is absolutely no doubt about that but that doesn't do much to answer your question. Other scientists came close to beating Einstein in releasing his Special theory of Relativity, Ernst Mach, Lorenz and Fitzgerald come to mind. They were close as regards Einstein's special relativity. As to his General Theory of Relativity, no one else was close. Einstein got some help from his associates in the new field of quantum physics which was then being developed. Max Plank of Germany pioneered that field along with Heisenberg and others. Plank in particular became a close friend and valuable associate, the two played chamber music together. Plank stood up for Einstein against Hitler. Hitler became disgusted and left the conference, muttering about plank under his breath but Plank was too powerful a figure for Hitler to bring down.

Einstein built on the work of Isaac Newton. Newton had to do his work first, before an Einstein could along and build upon it some 200 years later. Newton built on the work of others as well but it was basically the one two punch of Newton, then Einstein plus the scientists who pioneered and developed quantum physics who led to the physics of today.

Of course, Einstein was encouraged to get involved in physics by his father. He genetic line spanned many generations but no one else in his family showed any particular gift in understanding physics.. One thing about Einstein, he was not inspired by working under some great professor of physics. He worked alone and he always thought outside the box. He venerated Sir Isaac Newton. Among his contemporaries he was close friends with Max Plank until Hitler took power and Einstein left to live in the USA.

So, Maria, it is just my opinion but I believe the answer to your question about Einstein is that Einstein as an individual had more gift than others and the driving force in his life was to use his gift to its full extent. He knew that he didn't know, he knew that he could know more than he did and he knew that even after making major breakthroughs, he still did not know all that much. True, he would not have been able to do what he did had not Newton and several others preceded him and had not his parents encouraged him and supported him but other than that, he was simply one man acting alone. He was driven to solve riddles of the Universe, and acting alone or sometimes with a team of scientists he went about his business, using his genius and his gifts to see deeper than others to their fullest extents.

That is all my opinion, maybe with that and $3.95 you could buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Lakey

I really appreciate the explanation and it is an area I know nothing much of so I learned things I need to know! And love the chicken and egg explanation! Brilliant! Was not Godel also Einstein's close chum?

And yes perhaps there are others as smart as he was but who lacked the drive and effort and therefore did not achieve what he could....

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Meandering off a bit, but it's been predominant on the state of Florida news channel tonite. FLORIDA GOV SUES OBAMA ADMINISTRATION

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/florida-lawsuit-sue-obamacare-medicaid-rick-scott-117051.html

http://video.foxnews.com/v/41782100...-aid/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

What a bittersweet pill. Rick Scott and Jeb Bush may have been Republican governors for the state of Florida but they both served financial interests which might lead to its requiem.

Florida and Uncle Sam pay billions for Medicaid but it now seems necessary to add more folks' money to that war chest. My grudge is that Rick Scott wants to ration, realizing that expanding the ACA to cover low paid childless individuals under 65 would break the bank. (Hell, the youth up to 26 yrs old can be claimed by their parents under Obamacare as it stands. So why not the temp services dudes who work construction ?)

It seems to me a Floridian who is infertile is SOL getting the ACA subsidy to chip in on his Walmart ins plan. Both governors helped huge hospital networks get their money from federal programs. The people being left out are the workers .....who will be paying the plan increases. The state doesn't have a huge demographic of high paid professionals like Calif or NY. And unfortunately, all the healthcare exchange supplements are dispersed by the states' expanded section of their regular Medicaid programs. Many states have not expanded this and it was only temporary that Federal money was used to entice people onto the exchanges.

Nancy Pilosi and John Boehner just merged to extend CHIP to homes where parents work and can pay something. We need a workers party like .... Chicago!

Which reminds me...Lakey, you'll be going back to work soon. Congrats!!

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I LUV diz thread

This is touching
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF8F3UKCEAAIls1.jpg:large

https://xenophilius.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/20140203-070419.jpg

he no ugly
http://2il.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/albert-einstein-in-palm-spring-1932.jpg

Colorized
http://www.whudat.de/images/colorized_historical_photos_02.jpg

Lakey, here are some archived old time singers and musicians. Can u guess who without reading the description above the photos.
http://www.cracktwo.com/2012/02/rare-photos-of-old-and-dead.html

Hehehehe. Big chief Lotta-smarts
http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/einstein_book/albert_einstein_08.jpg

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Oh my gosh! Lakey, they sure don't make em like they used to.

L.A. was rockin in dem days. And Einstein attended when it was brand new.

http://www.alma-mahler.at/archiv_la/engl/info_hollywood/spielort.html

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I LUV diz thread

This is touching
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF8F3UKCEAAIls1.jpg:large

https://xenophilius.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/20140203-070419.jpg

he no ugly
http://2il.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/albert-einstein-in-palm-spring-1932.jpg

Colorized
http://www.whudat.de/images/colorized_historical_photos_02.jpg

Lakey, here are some archived old time singers and musicians. Can u guess who without reading the description above the photos.
http://www.cracktwo.com/2012/02/rare-photos-of-old-and-dead.html

Hehehehe. Big chief Lotta-smarts
http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/einstein_book/albert_einstein_08.jpg

Love the pictures. It's obvious he had a big heart which his logical side did not succeed in gobbling up.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Oh my gosh! Lakey, they sure don't make em like they used to.

L.A. was rockin in dem days. And Einstein attended when it was brand new.

http://www.alma-mahler.at/archiv_la/engl/info_hollywood/spielort.html

Wow Hats, thanks for your post! I just Googled the L.A. Theatre. It closed its doors to the public in 1994 but can still be rented for special affairs. Just think, when Einstein attended the theater in 1931, Germany was not yet the Third Reich but was the Weimar Republic! Funny, during the 1940's my family belonged to a family medical plan which was in the 700 block of South Broadway, just one block south of the L.A. Theater.

Our family had just one car, which was typical for a middle class family in those days. We had a green 1941 Chevy 4 door sedan. My Dad drove it to work every day on the weekdays. My Mom would walk to the market on West Adams Blvd. about a 4 block walk from our house. If we had to go see the doctor we went downtown to central L.A. by bus. The trip downtown was about 5.5 miles straight down West Adams Blvd, heading east. Then we would get off at Broadway and transfer to another bus and go north on Broadway about a mile and a half to the doctor's office. To ride the bus cost only 10 cents per person. It was a 7 mile trip downtown which took around 20 to 25 minutes once we walked the 4 blocks to the bus stop.

Every Saturday for years, a group of kids from our street, including my brother and me, were driven to the Variety Theatre on West Adams Blvd. and dropped of there. The admission price for kids was only 9 cents while small candies were 6 cents and large candies and popcorn were 12 cents. They showed two feature film movies, a news reel, 5 cartoons, previews of coming attractions and a serial feature which ran about 20 minutes. It seems to me that we were in the show from 12:30 to 6:00 pm, 5 1/2 hours. This went on for several years.

Sundays were our family days, my brother Clarence Rockaway and I would pile into our '41 Chevy and start driving. Usually my Mom picked the location. We drove all over Southern California. One week we visited friends of my parents in San Diego, another week we would go to Mission San Juan Capistrano, another week we would drive North to Bakersfield. We drove to Ventura and Oxnard, even as far north as Santa Barbara. Wherever there was a California mission such as in Santa Barbara, we would go there and tour the mission. I remember going to Lampoc, and Twenty Nine Palms. One day in 1950 we drove to Long Beach and from there took the "Big White Steamer" to Catalina Island. Three frequent destinations for us were the L.A. County Fair in Pomona, Lake Arrowhead and Big Bear Lake. In 1950 we went as a family to Sequoia National Park. By 1955, my Dad had upgraded to a '55 Chevy and took the family to Las Vegas where they stayed at the Flamingo hotel. Alas, that was the year I spent the entire summer working for my Aunt and Uncle in Miami so I missed the Vegas trip but in 1956, we drove 100 miles out to Hemet, California, you know Hemet, the home of the Int Base of CoS. Well the Int Base wasn't there in 1956 but there was an outdoor play put on yearly in Hemet called "Ramona" and the outdoor venue in which we viewed it was called the Ramona Bowl. It was an American Indian story with most of the cast being Native Americans. Our last trip together as a family took place in 1959 when the entire family drove back to Dayton, Ohio, to visit my Mom's twin sister and her family with 3 kids, first cousins to me and Clarence Rockaway. After that, I was in college and then moved away from home to live on my own.

5 years earlier, in 1954, My Mom took Clarence Rockaway and me to Dayton with her for my oldest cousin's wedding. We went by train on the Santa Fe Super Chief. It took 36 1/2 hours from L.A. to Chicago, then we transferred to another train for the journey from Chicago to Dayton. Dayton, Ohio is a neat place. In the 50's they were noted for 3 things, the Wright Patterson Air Base was one, being the home of the National Cash Register was two and being the home of Dayton Tire and Rubber was no 3. It was also the home of the comedian Jonathan Winters and the actor Donald O'connor. Winters National Bank, spawned by Jonathan's family was headquartered in Dayton. Fifty miles southwest from Dayton is Cincinnati. We visited relatives as there as well and in 1959, I attended a baseball game there at old Crosley Field.

Driving through California in the late 40's and early 50's was really fun. There was a real freedom of being out on the open road in those days. The landscape was beautiful. The population of California was only around 7 million in 1940 and 10.5 million in 1950. Compare that to 38 million today and you can see how sparse the traffic was in those days. There weren't many people around, gas was cheap, motels were cheap and the scenery was beautiful. As kids we really got the feeling of exploring a very beautiful environment.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Love the pictures. It's obvious he had a big heart which his logical side did not succeed in gobbling up.

Maria, the celebrities whom I could recognize without reading their names are as follows:
John Lennon and Yoko Ono
Mick Jagger
Elvis and Tom Jones
Sean Connery
Ray Charles (I attended a live concert of his in 1965 in Houston)
Michael Jackson
Marilyn Monroe
Princess Diane
Shirley Temple
Ghandi
Martin Luther King
Danny DeVito
Harrison Ford

Great photos!!
Lakey

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Maria, the celebrities whom I could recognize without reading their names are as follows:
John Lennon and Yoko Ono
Mick Jagger
Elvis and Tom Jones
Sean Connery
Ray Charles (I attended a live concert of his in 1965 in Houston)
Michael Jackson
Marilyn Monroe
Princess Diane
Shirley Temple
Ghandi
Martin Luther King
Danny DeVito
Harrison Ford

Great photos!!
Lakey

Those were from Hats!!! Thank her.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Those were from Hats!!! Thank her.

Thank you Hats!! (Anyway, I did click on thank you the first time I read her post.)
Lakey

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Those were the days....
Wish I would have experienced CA then.

Wow Hats, thanks for your post! I just Googled the L.A. Theatre. It closed its doors to the public in 1994 but can still be rented for special affairs. Just think, when Einstein attended the theater in 1931, Germany was not yet the Third Reich but was the Weimar Republic! Funny, during the 1940's my family belonged to a family medical plan which was in the 700 block of South Broadway, just one block south of the L.A. Theater.

Our family had just one car, which was typical for a middle class family in those days. We had a green 1941 Chevy 4 door sedan. My Dad drove it to work every day on the weekdays. My Mom would walk to the market on West Adams Blvd. about a 4 block walk from our house. If we had to go see the doctor we went downtown to central L.A. by bus. The trip downtown was about 5.5 miles straight down West Adams Blvd, heading east. Then we would get off at Broadway and transfer to another bus and go north on Broadway about a mile and a half to the doctor's office. To ride the bus cost only 10 cents per person. It was a 7 mile trip downtown which took around 20 to 25 minutes once we walked the 4 blocks to the bus stop.

Every Saturday for years, a group of kids from our street, including my brother and me, were driven to the Variety Theatre on West Adams Blvd. and dropped of there. The admission price for kids was only 9 cents while small candies were 6 cents and large candies and popcorn were 12 cents. They showed two feature film movies, a news reel, 5 cartoons, previews of coming attractions and a serial feature which ran about 20 minutes. It seems to me that we were in the show from 12:30 to 6:00 pm, 5 1/2 hours. This went on for several years.

Sundays were our family days, my brother Clarence Rockaway and I would pile into our '41 Chevy and start driving. Usually my Mom picked the location. We drove all over Southern California. One week we visited friends of my parents in San Diego, another week we would go to Mission San Juan Capistrano, another week we would drive North to Bakersfield. We drove to Ventura and Oxnard, even as far north as Santa Barbara. Wherever there was a California mission such as in Santa Barbara, we would go there and tour the mission. I remember going to Lampoc, and Twenty Nine Palms. One day in 1950 we drove to Long Beach and from there took the "Big White Steamer" to Catalina Island. Three frequent destinations for us were the L.A. County Fair in Pomona, Lake Arrowhead and Big Bear Lake. In 1950 we went as a family to Sequoia National Park. By 1955, my Dad had upgraded to a '55 Chevy and took the family to Las Vegas where they stayed at the Flamingo hotel. Alas, that was the year I spent the entire summer working for my Aunt and Uncle in Miami so I missed the Vegas trip but in 1956, we drove 100 miles out to Hemet, California, you know Hemet, the home of the Int Base of CoS. Well the Int Base wasn't there in 1956 but there was an outdoor play put on yearly in Hemet called "Ramona" and the outdoor venue in which we viewed it was called the Ramona Bowl. It was an American Indian story with most of the cast being Native Americans. Our last trip together as a family took place in 1959 when the entire family drove back to Dayton, Ohio, to visit my Mom's twin sister and her family with 3 kids, first cousins to me and Clarence Rockaway. After that, I was in college and then moved away from home to live on my own.

5 years earlier, in 1954, My Mom took Clarence Rockaway and me to Dayton with her for my oldest cousin's wedding. We went by train on the Santa Fe Super Chief. It took 36 1/2 hours from L.A. to Chicago, then we transferred to another train for the journey from Chicago to Dayton. Dayton, Ohio is a neat place. In the 50's they were noted for 3 things, the Wright Patterson Air Base was one, being the home of the National Cash Register was two and being the home of Dayton Tire and Rubber was no 3. It was also the home of the comedian Jonathan Winters and the actor Donald O'connor. Winters National Bank, spawned by Jonathan's family was headquartered in Dayton. Fifty miles southwest from Dayton is Cincinnati. We visited relatives as there as well and in 1959, I attended a baseball game there at old Crosley Field.

Driving through California in the late 40's and early 50's was really fun. There was a real freedom of being out on the open road in those days. The landscape was beautiful. The population of California was only around 7 million in 1940 and 10.5 million in 1950. Compare that to 38 million today and you can see how sparse the traffic was in those days. There weren't many people around, gas was cheap, motels were cheap and the scenery was beautiful. As kids we really got the feeling of exploring a very beautiful environment.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: Movie review on ""Woman in Gold"

How wrong can a movie critic be? I still take the newspaper, the Orange County Register, published in Santa Ana. Their film critic rate Golden Woman a C. I went to see it because I saw the previews of coming attractions and that film is right up my alley. Jews, Nazis, Austria, classical music, fine art, the movie contains so many of the "buttons" which I find inexhaustibly interesting. In fact, the moment I saw the previews, I decided to see the movie.

Hats, check this one out, it has so many of the hot elements which you seem to like. Ditto for Maria, but in a different way, probably she will enjoy the art the most.

I rate this one an A+. Helen Mirren does a fine job acting in the staring role and in fact all the acting is excellent. The vicious Nazi regime is portrayed quite accurately. I think that the time period was accurately captured and portrayed. The Nazi movement was such a vile and disgusting abomination. The movie portrays the Austrian government and Austrian citizenry of the day more than happy to embrace the change of government which was forced upon them when the Nazi's marched into Vienna in 1938 and annexed Austria to become part of Germany.

Unlike to Czechs, who submitted to the same fate, a few months later, the Austrians are portrayed as enthusiastically embracing Nazism and I believe that was a true portrayal. I don't know why I am so certain about that but I am. In any case, the movie shows Austria immediately embracing Nazism and almost overnight changing its stance against Austrian Jews. Within days, all the Jewish businesses were shut down and immediately many of the high ranking Nazi officials began round up the richer Jewish luminaries in Vienna, creating phony tax liens on their property and then first seizing their valuable art works and then seizing their homes.

Helen Mirren's character was a 17 year old daughter of a wealthy Jewish family when Nazi experts in the field of evaluating the worth of paintings showed up at her parents home. The home featured a set of 5 paintings which hung proudly in the home. One of the paintings was a portrait of Mirren's aunt wearing a very expensive piece of jewelry around her neck. those paintings were seized and carted off to German Reich in 1038.

At the end of the war, they were returned to Austria and since the late 1940's they had been on display as an Austrian National Treasure. The male lead in the movie is a newly practicing attorney and meet up with the now aged Helen Mirren character in L.A. He ascertains that the painting are now valued at $135 million and further research yields the info that they should belong to Hellen Mirren's character, not the current Austrian government. He and Hellen's character begin a legal battle to get the paintings back.

There is a long drawn out battle over ownership of the paintings. The Austrian government is totally ruthless and unyielding and they have unlimited funds behind them. It reminds me a lot of a former scientologist trying to recover a donation he made to CoS which he now wants back.

The rest of the movie is mainly a legal battle between the two sides over who is entitled to keep the paintings. There are some very interesting psychological twists and turn in all this. The Austrian government are the bad guys and they seem to hold all the "Aces" so to speak. Never fear, some good guys appear to help the Hellen character and her attorney. The battle rages on like a tough boxing match, with the Austrian government seeming to have by far the better prospects of success.

Well, it is a true story. I won't spoil the ending for you. If you like WWII history and you get a chance to see this movie, you should see it. My Rating A+
Lakey

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Thanks Lakey,

I like Helen Mirren. I saw her as queen Liz and as Morgana and liked her. I have seen two more of hers this month but cannot remember the names. She is diverse in hercroles.
I did not seevtge Clooney film about the artwoork stolen during WW II. The rappas duzzint buy tickets and LA is a big promo town so it was probably a specialty project with friends for George. Ingloriiys Bastards and and a new Mark Wahlberg film are still keeping the Nazis as a topic....in the light.

I got all sentimental over yoyr childhood bio Lakey. Sniff. I too took the busvall over Oakland up and down the long Foothill Blvd and MacArthur Ave transfers. I took it to Kaiser Permanente and the swimming holes. We had an old Chevy too. We went to Yosemite and Big Bear every year. On Sundays we crossed the Bay Bridge to Fisherman's warf. We went to Muir Woods on a regular basis and spent frequent summer weeks waaaay out in the Mojave in sight of Mt. Baldy's peak off in the distance. I learned the poisonous from the non-poisonous snakes and how to tell a tarantula hole from a rattlers' hole. I knew which lizards would bite me and which cacti could be juiced. We did not have luxurious palms but the Joshua wood do grow on you. The movie CARS by Pixar reminisced over Route 66 and the Dino gas stations and the wigwam motels, which I remember well. I've lived in Victorville, Barstow and San Bernardino, as well as across from the Culver City Studios round the block. I did not see Andy or Ope though near the set.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Thanks Lakey,

I like Helen Mirren. I saw her as queen Liz and as Morgana and liked her. I have seen two more of hers this month but cannot remember the names. She is diverse in hercroles.
I did not seevtge Clooney film about the artwoork stolen during WW II. The rappas duzzint buy tickets and LA is a big promo town so it was probably a specialty project with friends for George. Ingloriiys Bastards and and a new Mark Wahlberg film are still keeping the Nazis as a topic....in the light.

I got all sentimental over yoyr childhood bio Lakey. Sniff. I too took the busvall over Oakland up and down the long Foothill Blvd and MacArthur Ave transfers. I took it to Kaiser Permanente and the swimming holes. We had an old Chevy too. We went to Yosemite and Big Bear every year. On Sundays we crossed the Bay Bridge to Fisherman's warf. We went to Muir Woods on a regular basis and spent frequent summer weeks waaaay out in the Mojave in sight of Mt. Baldy's peak off in the distance. I learned the poisonous from the non-poisonous snakes and how to tell a tarantula hole from a rattlers' hole. I knew which lizards would bite me and which cacti could be juiced. We did not have luxurious palms but the Joshua wood do grow on you. The movie CARS by Pixar reminisced over Route 66 and the Dino gas stations and the wigwam motels, which I remember well. I've lived in Victorville, Barstow and San Bernardino, as well as across from the Culver City Studios round the block. I did not see Andy or Ope though near the set.

I enjoyed the recap of your youthful travels around California. Yes, poison ivy and poison sumac, tarantula holes, poisonous snakes and all that was fun too. I went to the Griffith Park Boys Camp for 2 weeks at ages 11 and 12 and picked up some of that info at that camp. At camp we usually made several new friends and knew that most likely we wouldn't ever see them again. Therefore, both years on the last night of camp before our parents would pick us up the next morning, a very beautiful folk song was song called, "So Long It's been good to know you" Both years I was at camp, that song brought tears to my eyes. Hoping against hope I just went on youtube to see if it is there. Guess what, they have several artists singing that song. I chose Woody Guthrie and guess what Hats, I am sure you will guess right, as soon as the song started playing, my eyes welled up with tears again, just thinking about those wonderful days of youth and innocence.

Here is the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwsfwU-zJkQ

Another song at camp has German origins, "Ach du lieber Augustine". We did not sing the German words, our lyrics were Ach du lieber Augustine, slot machine, run by steam, Ach du lieber Augustine, this way and that. Here is the German version on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMVFL1yAw9E

Youtube leads to miracles. In looking up "Ach du Lieber Augustine", they have a theme and variations by Johann Nepomuk Hummel. This guy was a child prodigy who Mozart took into his house for two years to study composition with him at no charge. For a brief time, in the early 1800's, Hummel was considered the greatest living composer. When Beethoven hit it big, there was an argument for a while as to which composer was greater. As Beethoven started writing his greatest masterpieces he eventually eclipsed Hummel. Hummel was cool with that, recognizing that Beethoven was a super special composer, almost other worldly. Even so, the two became close friends as young men and stayed close until Beethoven passed on. Beethoven, for his part, always treated Hummel as his equal. These were really two class guys! Hummel should be remembered but he isn't played much. I still like to hear his works and consider him one of the top 50 classical composers of all time. Maybe, if they made a movie about him, the classical concert going public might learn about him and he might become more popular. Who knows? Anyway, here is his theme and variations on the German Drinking Song, "Ach du Lieber Augustine"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLdwTtdl2cQ

Speaking of German drinking songs, this thread is coming up on two million hits and some thread member has recommended to me that on the night we reach 2 million views, we regulars on this thread buy some brewski's or something stronger and put on some appropriate drinking music. That sounds like fun!
Lakey

 

[Terril park]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Helen is a goddess. One UK review was only
2 star. The rest 4 star.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973



OK, back to the mischief of Nazis for a sec. This video ties Pythagorus and musical scales in with the Vril.

https://youtu.be/8ryS1o0u31E

https://youtu.be/R19zcIpFKhs

https://youtu.be/JJ3jxBjy_E4

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_vril08.htm

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/120714065147-guthrie-100-01-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5191163762_c3013b9ff3.jpg

http://marshallmatlock.com/wp-conte...iv-woody-guthrie/woody_guthrie-looking-up.jpg


I was into him in the early 70s when I bought Baez and Dylan. I remember reading the story of Dylan's stating how he visited Woody in the hospital towards the end.
My fav photo here.http://life.time.com/culture/woody-...-american-treasure-1943/attachment/20_12604e/

http://clclt.com/imager/cd-review-w...___Courtesy_of_Woody_Guthrie_Publications.jpg

He was his own creation
http://www.tashadoestulsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/woody-guthrie-centennial-celebration.jpg

http://www.celebritydiagnosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/woody-guthrie-e1342212375981.jpg

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

OK, back to the mischief of Nazis for a sec. This video ties Pythagorus and musical scales in with the Vril.

https://youtu.be/8ryS1o0u31E

https://youtu.be/R19zcIpFKhs

https://youtu.be/JJ3jxBjy_E4

funny to hear that old timey narration style together
with that topic. Still listening. Funny how the egyptians always figure in. I guess Pythagoras and friends were en-tranced by that....

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

OK, back to the mischief of Nazis for a sec. This video ties Pythagorus and musical scales in with the Vril.

https://youtu.be/8ryS1o0u31E

https://youtu.be/R19zcIpFKhs

https://youtu.be/JJ3jxBjy_E4

Where does it end? Nazi's on the Moon, Nazi's in Antartica, Nazi UFO's. You've got to give the Devil his due. Basically the Third Reich had three or perhaps four worthwhile features:
First, they were very advanced technically for their time period, second was their ability to work together as a team, third was their willingness to fight to the end and not give up. The fourth trait which I like but many others might not like is their cultural side. They were heavily into the fine arts, classical music, literature (though they censored it heavily), poetry, sculptor, architecture, dance, etc.. They allowed fine arts to flourish and they stamped out smut, the one proviso being that they dictated to their citizens what was good art and what was trash. Anything which was connected to Jews was thrown out as being degenerate. That same view applied to Black culture, though not to as great a degree.

In a way it is really unfortunate that the Nazi's were hell bent on exterminating the Jewish people and were eager to subdue other nationalities and races of people as well, such as the Slavic peoples and the Poles. They seemed to be okay with Latin people and the French. This was probably because they needed places to go for a vacation. What better vacation could a Nazi take than to hop aboard his Hindenburg blimp and fly down to Argentina and visit that Nazi leaning country led by Dictator Juan Peron? Ditto for Mexico, the Nazi's found the culture charming.

Had they not been so fixated on world conquest, we could use Nazi types now in the middle East. How about turning a few elite brigades of Nazi soldiers lose against ISIS under the command of some modern day Rommel? The Nazi's wouldn't pussyfoot around with ISIS soldiers. What's the best thing to fight fire with? Well, a bigger fire of course. Let ISIS behead one Nazi soldier or German tourist and I guarantee you that within a matter of months, ISIS would be eradicated. There would be no second guessing by any progressive wing of Nazism that it was wrong to kill them, no senate or parliament would have to vote their agreement. The leader gives the order and ISIS is toast.

There is a place for this type of thing in today's world but it would require a very wise and benevolent leader. Probably only a handful of people in all of history would have been qualified to make these decisions and Hitler definitely was not one of them. Maybe someone of the stature of Ghandi or M.L. King would have been qualified to dispense justice in that matter. Since almost no one is capable of ethically leading such a government, it is best that such a government is no longer allowed to exist and still be recognized by the main body of nations.

One of my beefs with President Obama is his apparent willingness to deal with such leaders. He seems to earnestly believe that if he and his aides sit down and have a coffee with terrorist leaders, they will see that the USA is not such a bad place afterall and they will bargain with us in good faith.

Unfortunately. a man named Neville Chamberlin, once held such notions and sat at the peace table with Hitler in 1938. The result was that the Czech Republic ended up being dismantled and Hitler became emboldened to take over even more territory, including half of Poland In the 76 years since that time, all world leaders had come to see that appeasement does not work. Now with President Obama in power, he is the first world leader in 76 years who is not willing to learn that you "can't do business with Hitler". He says that if something hasn't worked in the last 50-60 years it is logical to try a new approach. Well, that sounds wise and it can be but with one proviso, a leader must not just try a new approach, he must try a new approach which is BETTER!! In actual fact, Obama is trying a 76 years old approach which has failed every time it has been tried in the past and which is MUCH WORSE than the status quo approach!!.

What does Obama have to lose? in his mind, probably nothing. If Iran ends up with nukes and nukes Israel, he has a successful action which he can fall back on to explain away what happened. He can blame the whole thing on George W. Bush! This has been, is now, and probably will be his ultimate exit strategy if he fails at anything.

President Harry Truman, a very strong President and a Democrat (not a Progressive but a Democrat) is known for saying, "The buck stops here", referring to here as being his destk and refering to the word "buck" as in passing the buck. With President Obama, his equivalent mantra is that the buck stops with George W. Bush. Go figure!
Lakey

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Where does it end? Nazi's on the Moon, Nazi's in Antartica, Nazi UFO's. You've got to give the Devil his due. Basically the Third Reich had three or perhaps four worthwhile features:
First, they were very advanced technically for their time period, second, was their ability to work together as a team, third was the willingness to fight to the end and not give up.

The fourth trait which I like but many others might not like is their cultural side. They were heavily into the fine arts, classical music, literature (though they censored it heavily), poetry, sculptor, architecture, dance, etc.. They allowed fine arts to flourish and they stamped out smut, the one proviso being that they dictated to their citizens what was good art and what was trash. Anything which connected to Judaism, of course, was thrown out as being degenerate. The same view applied that Black culture, though not to as great a degree.

In a way it is really unfortunate that the Nazi's were hell bent on exterminating the Jewish people and were eager to subdue other groups and races of people such as the Slavic peoples. They seemed to be okay with Latin people and the French. This was probably because they needed places to go on vacation to. What better vacation could a Nazi take than hop aboard his Hindenburg blimp and fly down to Argentina and visit that Nazi leaning country led by Peron? Ditto for Mexico, the Nazi's found the culture charming.

Had they not been so fixated on world conquest, we have a use for them now in the middle East. How about turning a few elite brigades of Nazi soldiers lose against ISIS, under the command of some modern day Rommel, The Nazi's wouldn't pussyfoot around with ISIS soldiers. What's the best thing to fight fire with? Well, a bigger fire of course. Let ISIS behead one Nazi soldier or German tourist and I guarantee you that within a matter of months, ISIS would be eradicated. There would be no second guessing by any progressive wing of Nazism that it was wrong to kill them, no senate or parliament would have to get their say. The leader gives the order and ISIS is toast.

There is a place for this type of thing in today's world becaise it would require a very wise and benevolent leader. Probably only a handful of people in all of history would have been qualified to make these decisions and Hitler definitely was not one of them. Maybe someone of the stature of Ghandi or M.L. King would have been qualified to dispense justice in that matter. Since almost no one is capable of ethically leading such a government, it is best that such a government is no longer allowed to exist and still be recognized by the main body of nations. One of my beefs with President Obama is his apparent willingness to deal with such leaders. He seems to earnestly believe that if he and his aides sit down and have a coffee with terrorist leaders, they will see that the USA is not such a bad place afterall and the will bargain with us in good faith over key issues such as Iran being allowed to pursue nuclear weapons.

Unfortunately. a man named Neville Chamberlin, once held such notions and sat at the peace table with Hitler in 1938. The result was that the Czech Republic ended up being dismantled and Hitler became emboldened to take over even more territory. In the 76 years since that time, all world leaders had come to see that appeasement does not work. Now with President Obama in power, he is the first world leader in 76 years who is not willing to learn that you can't do business with a Hitlerian type of leader. He says that if something hasn't worked in the last 50 years it is logical to try some new approach. Well, that sounds wise but with one proviso, A leader must not just try a new approach, he must try a new approach which is BETTER. In actual fact, Obama is trying a 76 years old approach which is MUCH WORSE than the status quo.

What does Obama have to lose, in his mind probably nothing. If Iran ends up with nukes and nukes Israel, he has a successful action which he can fall back on to explain away what happened. He can blame the whole thing on George W. Bush! This has been, is now, and probably will be his ultimate exit strategy.

President Harry Truman, a very strong President and a Democrat (not a Progressive but a Democrat) is known for same, "The buck stops here", referring to here as being his destk and refering to the word "buck" as in passing the buck. With President Obama, his equivalent mantra is that the buck stops with George W. Bush. Go figure!
Lakey

A problem with dictators is that they usually unravel their policies along the lines of their psychology. In the case of Hubbard he had specific mental pathologies in play and he passed these on his followers in the form of the techs he developed. In the case of Hitler, his own efforts in the area of fine arts and his taste in those areas certainly played into his policies. He was a quasi-romantic-realist painter, that is his paintings gave reality impressionist tones, softened it according to his own perceptions.

The dictator, like the idealistic painter described, wants to mold a certain reality as he wishes it to be, create the scene he sees things. Ironically Hitler had romantic notions of what the German people should be. He had mythic notions of them, grand notions. he wanted Germany to be ideal. (Think 'ideal' org!) But to create this ideal in reality, he had to do a lot of violence.The difference in the painter and the dictator is that the painter has a blank canvas, the paint is inert, has no effect on others. Nothing one painter paints interferes in no way with another painter's painting. But the dictator is attempting to mold reality and others to fit his vision. And to create this vision he must impose his values on others absolutely. Whatever haunts his own psychology will be suffered onto the people captured to the dictator's domain.

I am thinking of this because I was reading a psychiatrist's analysis of Ron's affirmations which Mockingbird posted.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...Admissions-by-Lafayette-Ronald-Hubbard-(1947)

The psychiatrist notes in his commentary that the cult that developed mirrored Hubbard's schizophrenia in many ways. I wonder if any psychiatrist has done a study to analyze how Hitler's schizophrenia was reflected in his policies and government.

Where does it end re: the Nazis: I guess that the funny thing about all things pathological is that they attract the like-minded. Nut attracts nut.

I tried to pm you Lakey but your box is full!

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

A problem with dictators is that they usually unravel their policies along the lines of their psychology. In the case of Hubbard he had specific mental pathologies in play and he passed these on his followers in the form of the techs he developed. In the case of Hitler, his own efforts in the area of fine arts and his taste in those areas certainly played into his policies. He was a quasi-romantic-realist painter, that is his paintings gave reality impressionist tones, softened it according to his own perceptions.

The dictator, like the idealistic painter described, wants to mold a certain reality as he wishes it to be, create the scene he sees things. Ironically Hitler had romantic notions of what the German people should be. He had mythic notions of them, grand notions. he wanted Germany to be ideal. (Think 'ideal' org!) But to create this ideaL in reality, he had to do a lot of violence.The difference in the painter and the dictator is that the painter has a blank canvas, the paint is inert, has no effect on others. Nothing one painter paints interferes in no way with another painter's painting. But the dictator is attempting to mold reality and others to fit his vision. And to create this vision he must impose his values on others absolutely. Whatever haunts his own psychology will be suffered onto the people captured to the dictator's domain.

I am thinking of this because I was reading a psychiatrist's analysis of Ron's affirmations which Mockingbird posted.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...Admissions-by-Lafayette-Ronald-Hubbard-(1947)

The psychiatrist notes in his commentary that the cult that developed mirrored Hubbard's schizophrenia in many ways.

I tried to pm you Lakey but your box is full!

Great post Maria, I really like it, you make many excellent points. If you need to contact me right away, please email me.
Lakey