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I was fortunate to have traveled around the world twice....before I was out of High School....

I lived about 8 years...out of the US, growing up.

That brings to mind back in the early 60s Pan Am sold a I believe an annual ticket that was good for unlimited travel anywhere in the world. That was my dream. go to college find a small cottage get a job and fly around the world.

but in 1969 right out of High School, I took the com course at a local mission. The economy was horrible the Vietnam war was raging I was in Jr College trying to keep up my grades so I wouldn't get drafted.

The Movie "Catch Me If you Can" brings back a lot of those memories too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHHc1g7dfWE
 
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Pan Am the airline that cared. I found this article about how far PanAm went to help people get used to flying.


When I was young our family used to take big vacations for the holidays, but because my mother was afraid of flying, we often ended up on cruises in the Caribbean. Finally, after we had visited what seemed like every island in the area, Pan Am introduced a new initiative called the Pan Am Fearful Flyers program, designed to help people with fear of flying overcome it and (of course) fly Pan Am. These days there are a host of web sites. books, and third party classes to help anxious flyers, but the Pan Am one was, I believe, the first.

They took it very seriously, with a series of weekly or monthly meetings that went through aeronautics, statistics, engineering and psychological techniques, all designed to rationally and emotionally allay people's fears. They had lectures from pilots, a visit to the air traffic control tower, and got to experience a flight training simulator. It was really, really impressive. But the best was yet to come.

For the finale of the course, they took all the students out to LaGuardia airport, along with one spouse/guest each, and put them on board a real 727. There, they not only met the pilots, but found that also on the plane were the pilot's spouses, along with the off-duty air traffic controllers who had showed them the tower. After getting a full tour of the plane, and a complete, detailed safety briefing, the boarding door was closed and they just started taxiing the plane around the ramp to give them a feel for a moving aircraft. Throughout this, the pilot was talking them through the whole thing on the PA.

Once they were comfortable, the plane moved out to the runway, where it did a simulated take-off, roaring down the main runway, but not actually taking off. Finally, after ensuring that no one had freaked out, the plane actually did take off, and took the class on a 30 minute ride over New York. During the flight, the pilot turned off the seatbelt sign, had all the passengers get up and walk around, and then had them rush from front to back and side to side, proving that they couldn't tip over the plane in the air. When they landed, they had a champagne toast, received a certificate of recognition and a Pan Am pin, and were declared no-longer-fearful-flyers.

It was a Very Big Thing back then, and the group seriously bonded, keep in touch with each other for several years afterwards. One funny epilogue to the story is that a few years later Pan Am became the first airline allowed to fly American citizens to China, and they had a special inaugural trip that immediately sold out. My mother called up Pan Am and said "YOU were the ones who made me able to fly, so the least you can do is fly me to China!" And so they did.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Columbia is a nice Country.

I spent some time there in the early 70's.

Bogota is the Capital...and has the nick name of the City of Eternal Spring. Due to its location, plus elevation.....it is like Spring time, year around there.

I took a couple side trips.....one to a place on the Amazon, called Leticia....and another up into the Andes....called San Agustine.

The Amazon is AMAZING.....it is a trip. The river is so wide...you can't see the other side...It is massive..

The Museo de Oro in Bogota...has a fantastic collection of gold from the Inca period.

Lots of Colonial Spanish influence....also.

:) just thought i'd share....
 
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Play what? I've got a good friend here locally, married and Colombian born. We've been friends since 1974. I joined the Jack LaLanne gym in Lakewood, CA when I left the S.O. and began my career managing my Dad's construction firm. The Colombian guy was the masseuse there and I had him massage me and that's how we met. He wanted me to go with him and his wife to Columbia last year but I turned down their invitation. The man is going this year without his wife and has again invited me. I am leaning towards making the trip.

How does Colombia sound?
Lakey


I was wondering if you were going to play the "I never" game here that I started playing?

If you think you would have fun, I'd go to Columbia, especially if you have a friend there who can show you around!

My target for this year is to paint 15 or so paintings. Once I paint them then I'll decide what to do next. I only have six months or so left so that would be more than one a month.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Columbia is a nice Country.

I spent some time there in the early 70's.

Bogota is the Capital...and has the nick name of the City of Eternal Spring. Due to its location, plus elevation.....it is like Spring time, year around there.

I took a couple side trips.....one to a place on the Amazon, called Leticia....and another up into the Andes....called San Agustine.

The Amazon is AMAZING.....it is a trip. The river is so wide...you can't see the other side...It is massive..

The Museo de Oro in Bogota...has a fantastic collection of gold from the Inca period.

Lots of Colonial Spanish influence....also.

:) just thought i'd share....

^^^ jealous!!!
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Leon, mine wasn't so much a disagree as a question of how you arrived at the Americans imitating Great Britain's war techniques. It certainly didn't happen in America's colonial times when America was primarily British and afterwards - well, I just don't know. Its an interesting question, though - whose war techniques did America copy? Or did America come up with quite a bit of it on its own?

I also thought you gave the British Empire far too much credit compared to some of the other countries that have been leading powers. China, for example, or Rome - both of which had a far longer historical run and far more massive empire than Great Britain.


I read some interesting information last year about England's initial arrival to Australia and NZ, for example. The focus and purpose was primarily to find more and better woods and other ship-building materials, something I would never have guessed. The Brits were really into their Navy. The British fleets spanned the oceans of the world and were the envy of every country. They worked hard for decades to map out the entire world and had the best maps. Mapping tek was certainly a big part of the British contribution to worldwide communication and, whatever else one has to say about it, it was Great Britain that made the concept of worldwide communication and trade a realistic possibility. So as far as that goes, yes, Britain certain did a great deal to shape the world to what it is today.


Britain was a colonial power up until about 1960.

America is a colonial power today, even though most people would not recognise it as such. Most countries will not do anything that the US does not approve of. Nato run Europe for e.g. is as near to being a vassal state as it is possible to be in this day and age.

Britain maintained its grip on its colonies by way of fomenting wars in any colony that did not toe the line or was unwilling to be subjugated by her. As an aside here - for hundreds of years she maintained her dominance in Europe by always siding with the second most powerful country in Europe to bring down the most powerful country. She joined Germany to bring down Napoleon's France, She joined France to bring down the Kaiser's Germany.

America today does the same thing. She does it all over the world doing whatever she deems appropriate to bring about "regime change" and installing governments who will cooperate and do as they are told to. She learned to do this by recognizing the effectiveness of what Britain did.

America wants to rule the world by being the top dog that everyone obeys. This is known as Imperialism. The rest of the world does not want it.
 
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^^^ jealous!!!

It was a rather odd time.

My father had spent 4 years in Vietnam. After returning home....on the second night, he said he was going out to play poker with some friends....left....and never came back.

He divorced my Mother...and shortly there after moved to South America. First 2 years in La Paz, Bolivia....and then another 2 in Bogota.

He invited me down to Bogota....where I met my step mother for the first time.

But this probably doesn't belong on this thread....

It was a rather rough time for me.....and might have contributed to me getting into the Cult......at age 17. :bigcry:
 
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It was a rather odd time.

My father had spent 4 years in Vietnam. After returning home....on the second night, he said he was going out to play poker with some friends....left....and never came back.

He divorced my Mother...and shortly there after moved to South America. First 2 years in La Paz, Bolivia....and then another 2 in Bogota.

He invited me down to Bogota....where I met my step mother for the first time.

But this probably doesn't belong on this thread....

It was a rather rough time for me.....and might have contributed to me getting into the Cult......at age 17. :bigcry:

Weirdly, reading this, I wondered if anything can be changed in a life, or if anything would really be better by doing so. Maybe everything that happens is for the best. Fate but better than fate. I'd not tell anyone what to do but for me, I'd embrace the way it all turned out in my life and if it could be repeated do it all exactly the same again and not look back. :thumbsup: You seem pretty cool to me the way you turned out exactly!
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Pan Am the airline that cared. I found this article about how far PanAm went to help people get used to flying.


When I was young our family used to take big vacations for the holidays, but because my mother was afraid of flying, we often ended up on cruises in the Caribbean. Finally, after we had visited what seemed like every island in the area, Pan Am introduced a new initiative called the Pan Am Fearful Flyers program, designed to help people with fear of flying overcome it and (of course) fly Pan Am. These days there are a host of web sites. books, and third party classes to help anxious flyers, but the Pan Am one was, I believe, the first.

They took it very seriously, with a series of weekly or monthly meetings that went through aeronautics, statistics, engineering and psychological techniques, all designed to rationally and emotionally allay people's fears. They had lectures from pilots, a visit to the air traffic control tower, and got to experience a flight training simulator. It was really, really impressive. But the best was yet to come.

For the finale of the course, they took all the students out to LaGuardia airport, along with one spouse/guest each, and put them on board a real 727. There, they not only met the pilots, but found that also on the plane were the pilot's spouses, along with the off-duty air traffic controllers who had showed them the tower. After getting a full tour of the plane, and a complete, detailed safety briefing, the boarding door was closed and they just started taxiing the plane around the ramp to give them a feel for a moving aircraft. Throughout this, the pilot was talking them through the whole thing on the PA.

Once they were comfortable, the plane moved out to the runway, where it did a simulated take-off, roaring down the main runway, but not actually taking off. Finally, after ensuring that no one had freaked out, the plane actually did take off, and took the class on a 30 minute ride over New York. During the flight, the pilot turned off the seatbelt sign, had all the passengers get up and walk around, and then had them rush from front to back and side to side, proving that they couldn't tip over the plane in the air. When they landed, they had a champagne toast, received a certificate of recognition and a Pan Am pin, and were declared no-longer-fearful-flyers.

It was a Very Big Thing back then, and the group seriously bonded, keep in touch with each other for several years afterwards. One funny epilogue to the story is that a few years later Pan Am became the first airline allowed to fly American citizens to China, and they had a special inaugural trip that immediately sold out. My mother called up Pan Am and said "YOU were the ones who made me able to fly, so the least you can do is fly me to China!" And so they did.

What I have noticed about life is that any wish, what ever you ask for (nicely of course!), you get. Sounds like your mother has that down!!
 
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What I have noticed about life is that what every you ask for in life (nicely of course!), you get. Sounds like your mother has that down!!

Well, my experience is quite different from yours: Whatever I needed in life, I got - whether I wanted it or not. :biggrin:
 
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Weirdly, reading this, I wondered if anything can be changed in a life, or if anything would really be better by doing so. Maybe everything that happens is for the best. Fate but better than fate. I'd not tell anyone what to do but for me, I'd embrace the way it all turned out in my life and if it could be repeated do it all exactly the same again and not look back. :thumbsup: You seem pretty cool to me the way you turned out exactly!

Yes, I've had a wonderful life.....

I don't dwell on regret...or what happened.....

But certainly I could have handled some things better....
 
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Never lived on the ocean (only a canal letting off to the ocean.)

One of my Uncles in Texas loved to raise hunting dogs....

He took me out fox hunting once....

and

I lived in a beautiful apartment in Spain....around the bay from Cadiz.....in 1970. It was build right on the beach...... Had a lovely time there.
 
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I loved flying Pan Am...back in the 60's.

The Boeing 707 was a spectacular plane.

It was more of a personal sized plane....and had to make lots of short hops...and refuel....to go long distances...

The planes today, seem to large to me...and a bit scary.....

Plus they all fly non-stop....half way around the globe.

Back in the 60's just to get from NYC to England.....the plane had to land at Shanon Airport in Ireland first....then on to London.

Back in the 60's to get from Bangkok to America...(the European route ) the plane would go from Bangkok to Ceylon to India to Tel Aviv to Athens to Rome to Paris to London to Ireland to NYC.....WOW....what a trip that was.
 
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One of my Uncles in Texas loved to raise hunting dogs....

He took me out fox hunting once....

and

I lived in a beautiful apartment in Spain....around the bay from Cadiz.....in 1970. It was build right on the beach...... Had a lovely time there.


Ah. So you don't have to stand in front of the looking glass wondering if to jump in.

My father grew up that way. In Gijon, Spain of the 30s. It's still very nice. Palm trees. Beautiful coast.
 
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We COULD spend a lot of time talking about bad stuff we cannot change.
OR we COULD sit by the ocean and drink something nice.

LOLOL.
 
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We COULD spend a lot of time talking about bad stuff we cannot change.
OR we COULD sit by the ocean and drink something nice.

LOLOL.

Ghee, I guess I'm way too pragmatic (my cute physiotherapist says so, so it must be true). I'd always address all the bad stuff first, and then, once that's out of the way, enjoying all the good stuff over a drink on the beach is even better. :thumbsup:
 
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