ESMB and The Freezone - let's have it out!

[Vinaire]

I think you're just 'over-liberated'.

Zinj

I hope I am not as over-fucked, as some seem to be.

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[Cat's Squirrel]

OK. It's a sucker's trap being serious on this board, isn't it? Unless of course you're getting off your BPC about LRH and the Church.

Sadly for people like Alan and Vinny I have other things to do than being a performing monkey for people who regard my posts, and MW's reaction to them, as so much amusing froth.

Farewell gentlemen, I've got work to do.

 

[acertainratio]

OK. It's a sucker's trap being serious on this board, isn't it? Unless of course you're getting off your BPC about LRH and the Church.

Sadly for people like Alan and Vinny I have other things to do than being a performing monkey for people who regard my posts, and MW's reaction to them, as so much amusing froth.

Farewell gentlemen, I've got work to do.

I enjoy your posts and have no problem with your views - don't be put off.

 

[Vinaire]

As I said in an earlier post, Scientology is a dark and dangerous thing with the potential to wreck people totally - physically, mentally, and socially.

People who have suffered this kind of damage have a strong desire to prevent other people going through the same trauma.

With the best will in the world, I don't see how people who have been through that hell can accept the idea that Scn outside the Cof$ is all fine and shiny.

I'm a big advocate of free speech, so I'm not suggesting that anyone should be silenced.

I have to be honest and say that my foremost inclination is to support people who have been hurt by the cult.

It would be good if the FZ'ers on this board would give some deep thought to the damage done by the subject that they hold so dearly, and the fact that many of the people here suffered that damage. Most of them I think, are here to work on their recovery, and help others doing the same.

So FZ'ers, please think about what you can do to make your presence here congruent with the fact that this is an ex - scientologists board.

Here's the big question:

If you are not here to recruit people and sing the praises of Scientology, why are you here, and what can you contribute?

None of these are trick questions, and I'm not asking so that I can duff you up when you answer.

As we know, there are plenty of FZ and independent boards; so why do you like to come here?

Those who are here to help themselves recover, and help others recover deserve a lot of consideration, in my view.

But as I say, I'm not into attacking free speech, and I'm not into expelling people, so I would like to hear something from you about how you can take part in debate on an ex - scientologists forum without undermining the basic purpose of the board or undermining the recovery of people who've been hurt by the subject that you hold dear.

ESMB should be there for exchange of opinions and free discussions. Any concerted promotion, and pushing of any ideology should be discouraged.

I do object to Terrill promotong "FZ Sccesses" as they do not qualify as either exchange of opinions or as discussions.

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[Alanzo]

Do you see the little smiley Alanzo? Don't you recognise extreme frustration? Why keep pushing? You seem hellbent on confrontation with Emma now. Don't you want ESMB to be here? :confused2:

Emma seems hellbent on confrontation with me.

Why else would she have implied that I'm a racist for asking if there were freezoners who were moderators on ESMB?

In Scientology, a very common tactic is to take your words and twist them into something ridiculous, and even criminal, and to throw them back in your face to get you to shut up.

Emma has used that tactic on me repeatedly in this thread.

Why should I stand for it?

Why should I take that from anybody?

Should you take it from someone?

No.

And I would never ask you to.

Why are you asking me to take it from Emma?

 

[Vinaire]

OK. It's a sucker's trap being serious on this board, isn't it? Unless of course you're getting off your BPC about LRH and the Church.

Sadly for people like Alan and Vinny I have other things to do than being a performing monkey for people who regard my posts, and MW's reaction to them, as so much amusing froth.

Farewell gentlemen, I've got work to do.

Hey! the world is a stage, and you are on that stage.

There is no escape!

The only thing one may control is one's own responses.

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[acertainratio]

ESMB should be there for exchange of opinions and free discussions. Any concerted promotion, and pushing of any ideology should be discouraged.

I do object to Terrill promotong "FZ Sccesses" as they do not qualify as either exchange of opinions or as discussions.

.

So you can string a coherent thought together.

That helps.

I agree.

 

[Zinjifar]

Emma seems hellbent on confrontation with me.

Why else would she have implied that I'm a racist for asking if there were freezoners who were moderators on ESMB?

In Scientology, a very common tactic to make you shut up is to take your words and twist them into something ridiculous, and even criminal, and to throw them back in your face to get you to shut up.

Emma has used that tactic on me repeatedly with me in this thread.

Why should I stand for it?

Why should I take that from anybody?

Should you take it from someone?

No.

And I would never ask you to.

Why are you asking me to take it from Emma?

What's to 'take'? You get criticized, Emma gets criticized, we all get criticized, the freezone gets criticized and even Saint Vinny gets criticized.

Sticks and stones yadda yadda.

Zinj

 

[Vinaire]

Emma seems hellbent on confrontation with me.

Why else would she have implied that I'm a racist for asking if there were freezoners who were moderators on ESMB?

In Scientology, a very common tactic is to take your words and twist them into something ridiculous, and even criminal, and to throw them back in your face to get you to shut up.

Emma has used that tactic on me repeatedly in this thread.

Why should I stand for it?

Why should I take that from anybody?

Should you take it from someone?

No.

And I would never ask you to.

Why are you asking me to take it from Emma?

Watch your reponses! They define you.

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[Vinaire]

So you can string a coherent thought together.

That helps.

I agree.

Be careful what you agree with!

It is dark and dangerous.

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[acertainratio]

Emma seems hellbent on confrontation with me.

Why else would she have implied that I'm a racist for asking if there were freezoners who were moderators on ESMB?

In Scientology, a very common tactic is to take your words and twist them into something ridiculous, and even criminal, and to throw them back in your face to get you to shut up.

Emma has used that tactic on me repeatedly in this thread.

Why should I stand for it?

Why should I take that from anybody?

Should you take it from someone?

No.

And I would never ask you to.

Why are you asking me to take it from Emma?

Might be helpful if you and her had a private chat by PM as well as posting about it here. I've got a feeling that there is some kind of big misunderstanding going on here.

"Why else would she have implied that I'm a racist for asking if there were freezoners who were moderators on ESMB?"

I found her comment re the above to be tasteless, unfair, and untrue.

As far as I'm concerned you've done nothing wrong.

She broke her own rule, but I don't think she'll be banned

 

[acertainratio]

Be careful what you agree with!

It is dark and dangerous.

.

I think I am starting to understand your sense of humour a little bit, and even like you a bit.

just

the

tiniest

little

bit

like this:

(.)

Hey fuck - it's all gone dark!




You turned the fuckin lights out - didn't you!

 

[Zinjifar]

Might be helpful if you and her had a private chat by PM as well as posting about it here. I've got a feeling that there is some kind of big misunderstanding going on here.

"Why else would she have implied that I'm a racist for asking if there were freezoners who were moderators on ESMB?"

I found her comment re the above to be tasteless, unfair, and untrue.

As far as I'm concerned you've done nothing wrong.

She broke her own rule, but I don't think she'll be banned

I'm afraid I don't see how she 'broke her own rule'. Whether there are FZ mods, or even whether Emma herself is a closet zonie is irrelevant. As irrelevant as whether they're black or puce-colored. Naturally, if Al wants to suggest that ESMB is a dire FZ conspiracy, that's his right. It's right up there with ESMB being an OSA plot to harvest IP addresses, but, hey, it's no weirder than some other conspiracies I've seen here.

Zinj

 

[Dulloldfart]

Emma seems hellbent on confrontation with me.

I don't think so. If it were my board I'd be REALLY fed up with you right now.

You're basically a guest here, as are we all. If the hostess somewhere expresses her displeasure at some ongoing action of mine I either drop it or leave. What right do you think you have to continue to argue with her? She is not merely another poster on this board. It's her board.

Grow up.

Paul

 

[Alanzo]

Naturally, if Al wants to suggest that ESMB is a dire FZ conspiracy, that's his right. It's right up there with ESMB being an OSA plot to harvest IP addresses, but, hey, it's no weirder than some other conspiracies I've seen here.

Zinj

I never said that, Zinj.

Good one, though!

 

[Vinaire]

I'm afraid I don't see how she 'broke her own rule'. Whether there are FZ mods, or even whether Emma herself is a closet zonie is irrelevant. As irrelevant as whether they're black or puce-colored. Naturally, if Al wants to suggest that ESMB is a dire FZ conspiracy, that's his right. It's right up there with ESMB being an OSA plot to harvest IP addresses, but, hey, it's no weirder than some other conspiracies I've seen here.

Zinj

People create their own miseries and conspiracies.

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[acertainratio]

I'm afraid I don't see how she 'broke her own rule'. Whether there are FZ mods, or even whether Emma herself is a closet zonie is irrelevant. As irrelevant as whether they're black or puce-colored. Naturally, if Al wants to suggest that ESMB is a dire FZ conspiracy, that's his right. It's right up there with ESMB being an OSA plot to harvest IP addresses, but, hey, it's no weirder than some other conspiracies I've seen here.

Zinj

Go read the rules then.

 

[Vinaire]

I think I am starting to understand your sense of humour a little bit, and even like you a bit.

just

the

tiniest

little

bit

like this:

(.)

Hey fuck - it's all gone dark!




You turned the fuckin lights out - didn't you!

The moment you start taking it seriously, realize that you are getting fucked... by yourself.

.

 

[Alanzo]

I don't think so. If it were my board I'd be REALLY fed up with you right now.

You're basically a guest here, as are we all. If the hostess somewhere expresses her displeasure at some ongoing action of mine I either drop it or leave. What right do you think you have to continue to argue with her? She is not merely another poster on this board. It's her board.

Grow up.

Paul

You are probably right.

This has gotten me all stirred up, big time.

I definitely have a chip on my shoulder after Scientology, for anyone who I perceive as trying to shut me up or trying to introvert me with any kind of manipulation. It doesn't matter who it is. I am always on the lookout for it, and I will never let it happen to me again.

So when I think I recognize a tactic that was used on me in Scientology, I really feel very justified in letting it rip.

It's just one of those things, ya know.

I'm sorry if I acted like an ass, and stunk up the place.

Emma, it is your board. If I want to continue to participate here, then you should be able to do and say whatever you want to me. I am a guest here and I should be gracious and grateful for whatever you do and say.

If I don't like it, then I should just leave.

But asking to be treated fairly, is over the top.

I have no right to act that way on your board.

 

[acertainratio]

I don't think so. If it were my board I'd be REALLY fed up with you right now.

You're basically a guest here, as are we all. If the hostess somewhere expresses her displeasure at some ongoing action of mine I either drop it or leave. What right do you think you have to continue to argue with her? She is not merely another poster on this board. It's her board.

Grow up.

Paul

I'll tell you one thing - I'm glad it's not your board, because you really are a <deleted>


Just kidding - I actually like your posts and have no problems with your views, but cut the guy a little slack, and let him and Emma sort things out.

Be patient for a while - they'll sort it out in their own time.