Have you refunded your money from COS yet?
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Kathy (ImOut)
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NowWhat,
There a few different threads on here about getting a "repayment" - money on account. A refund is getting back all money ever given to the CofS and would require an attorney.
Search the threads and if you don't find what you're looking for, just PM me and I'll send you the letter that my husband and I used. And many others have since used. This is my "stat" - number of repayments and the amount of money repaid - 4 or 5 people and over $250K.
There a few different threads on here about getting a "repayment" - money on account. A refund is getting back all money ever given to the CofS and would require an attorney.
Search the threads and if you don't find what you're looking for, just PM me and I'll send you the letter that my husband and I used. And many others have since used. This is my "stat" - number of repayments and the amount of money repaid - 4 or 5 people and over $250K.
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Kathy (ImOut)
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You sign your own expulsion and you sign that you won't ever sue the church. Jason B didn't get his money, because he's waiting to see if he's going to sue. If you never plan on suing, then sign the papers and get your money back. Everything little bit (or a lot) means less money in the church's pocket. What better way to collapse the CofS - repayment of all money on account.
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
I haven't seen one of these repayment waivers for a while. Does it say you won't sue them for something related to getting YOUR money back, or is it a general get-out-of-jail-free card for them saying you won't sue their ass for anything, related to the repayment or not?
Paul
Paul
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
We've elected to not ask for our a/p back.
This is money on account, right, pre-paid money for services you haven't received? IANAL, but I would guess a waiver not to sue is coersion. It would get trown out by a judge since the money is rightfully yours. If I'm right (but I guess people have mulled this over time and time again), you could just sign the waiver and sue in a later stage anyway...
KnightVision
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What does a/p mean?
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Advance payment. It's like layaway, kind of. John doesn't want to ask for it back.
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Kathy (ImOut)
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If I remember correctly, it says you won't later sue them for whatever you feel like suing them for. For instance, I can't now sue them for whatever mental problems I have. Not that I have any, that's just an example. But from what I understood of Jason B's video, he's waiting to see if he has long lasting damage before he'll sign the form saying he'll never sue them. Trust me, if I had unlimited funds or an attorney that would handle the case on contingency, I would have been more than happy to sue them, if I wanted to have my attention stuck on the CofS for nearly the rest of my life.
Kathy (ImOut)
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I would guess that it depends on the language used in the form "not to sue" whether or not it could be considered coercion.
We only asked for money on account, not yet used. Some have gotten the unused hours back - you pay for 12 1/2 hours and only use 2 - they've gotten repayment on the 10 1/2 remaining hours.
angel
Patron with Honors
OMG $30,000
I made a $30,000 AP and never used any of it. I had a feeling that my C/S was going to be another Purif. I do not want to do another Purif and I dont have that kind of time. I never found out and the money is still sitting there. For at least 8 years. It was my inheritance.
I used to be the Chaplain in an org years ago. I used to route people through their refund routing form. I dont remember using the term repayment but it was years ago. I remember the routing form consisted of several terminals that would attempt to do a handling on the requester. Ethics, word clearing and I dont remember who else but it was several terminals ending with the FBO. I used to get reprimanded for letting the requester get all the way to the end of the form without salvaging him or her. I think that it would be very difficult for me to get through the routing form because I have had wins and gains in Scientology even though I do not plan to go up the bridge at this point.
I think that if you want a refund you should hire an attorney.
Jen
I made a $30,000 AP and never used any of it. I had a feeling that my C/S was going to be another Purif. I do not want to do another Purif and I dont have that kind of time. I never found out and the money is still sitting there. For at least 8 years. It was my inheritance.
I used to be the Chaplain in an org years ago. I used to route people through their refund routing form. I dont remember using the term repayment but it was years ago. I remember the routing form consisted of several terminals that would attempt to do a handling on the requester. Ethics, word clearing and I dont remember who else but it was several terminals ending with the FBO. I used to get reprimanded for letting the requester get all the way to the end of the form without salvaging him or her. I think that it would be very difficult for me to get through the routing form because I have had wins and gains in Scientology even though I do not plan to go up the bridge at this point.
I think that if you want a refund you should hire an attorney.
Jen
Kathy (ImOut)
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You don't need an attorney for a repayment - refund yes. They are two entirely different things - repayment = money not used. Refund = money back on services delivered.
No one that I know and have helped to get their repayments has done the routing form. It is NOT mandatory. But since ex-Scios are so used to doing what they are told, they think they must do the routing form. One does NOT have to do the routing form.
If I were you, I'd get a repayment on the $30K you have on account. That's a lot of money that the CofS is using, when it could be in your pocket.
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
thetanic
Gold Meritorious Patron
What you said.
Angel, please get your money back and enjoy your inheritance without guilt.
KnightVision
Gold Meritorious Patron
Was curious Fluff...
With the presumption that John has concluded that the cos is unworthy to deliver scn and thus he won't be retuning for such... why would he not want to get back what is justly and rightly his to get back?
clearcat
Patron with Honors
Don't agree, in my experience even a "repay" you will not get without an attorney's expertise. I only got my IAS membership money back, nothing else, no money that was sitting there unused, nor money that I had used for services. :confused2:
Feral
Rogue male
OK,
I have just completed a repayment cycle. It was for a large sum and spans three orgs. It took nearly 17 weeks, it was painful and only moved forward because I made it, I was forced to use threats of legal and at the end even started to arrange media.
I did not do any handlings or the routing form steps. If I ever did it again I would start legal actions after the first couple of weeks baulking by the cofs.
Angel, I had case gain too, particularly in the beginning of my OT levels. You should not feel that you owe any more than you paid the cofs for that case gain.
You should certainly not feel guilty that you want your UNUSED advanced payments back, it is your money. The idea that it would be bad of you to get your money back is part of their mind fcuk routine.
I have just completed a repayment cycle. It was for a large sum and spans three orgs. It took nearly 17 weeks, it was painful and only moved forward because I made it, I was forced to use threats of legal and at the end even started to arrange media.
I did not do any handlings or the routing form steps. If I ever did it again I would start legal actions after the first couple of weeks baulking by the cofs.
Angel, I had case gain too, particularly in the beginning of my OT levels. You should not feel that you owe any more than you paid the cofs for that case gain.
You should certainly not feel guilty that you want your UNUSED advanced payments back, it is your money. The idea that it would be bad of you to get your money back is part of their mind fcuk routine.