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Catching up in real life - pretty nice!

Carmel

Crusader
Yesterday, my hubby and I had a wonderful day with six of our old friends. We hadn't seen four of them for ten years, and two of them for five years. :omg:

Pm'ing can be a pain when ya want to talk to someone, "chat" is alright, phone line is better, but real life is just grand! It certainly was yesterday (being with friends of like mind), and it still is today, just having them. :happydance:

Thanks to Emma Bemma and ESMB, for helping to set the stage! :thumbsup:
 

scooter

Gold Meritorious Patron
Damn shame the Scooterclan are still here south of the border - sounds like we missed a good hoot.
 

Carmel

Crusader
Damn shame the Scooterclan are still here south of the border - sounds like we missed a good hoot.

Ya sure did darl! Don't know why ya moved all the way down there in the first place! :confused2: :grouch:

It'll be good to catch up with you guys in real life for sure! It's just SO good to be with people we've known and loved/cared for years, and be free to comm whatever the hell we want to (instead of the likes of the constant self imposed restrictions ya put on y'self, 'cause ya bloody tongue gets ya in trouble).

I have been restricting my comm with 'scio' friends for 25 years, until recently. The last 10 years, has been particularly lonely in that regard. Had to put the whole bloody scn thing in a box. Seeing and being with these old friends, was such a blast! On the way home, Tim said "who would have ever thought" - and that sums it up. :happydance:

We thought that we had been ousted, and would continue to be, from many we cared about. While many have been disconnecting from us of late, there seems to be just as many re-connecting! And the relationships are better and closer and more overt and honest than they EVER seemed to be while still in the ranks of the CofS!

All good this end for sure! :D
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Yesterday, my hubby and I had a wonderful day with six of our old friends. We hadn't seen four of them for ten years, and two of them for five years. :omg:

Pm'ing can be a pain when ya want to talk to someone, "chat" is alright, phone line is better, but real life is just grand! It certainly was yesterday (being with friends of like mind), and it still is today, just having them. :happydance:

Thanks to Emma Bemma and ESMB, for helping to set the stage! :thumbsup:
It surely was a wonderful day! :thumbsup:
The Pandas would like to say that they had a fantastic time!
After 5 minutes it suddenly seemed to me like we'd never been apart.
Thanks to all of you, catching up on all the news and seeing everyone so happy and alive was pure joy. :grouphug:
Cheers, Panda.
 

Wisened One

Crusader
That's great you had fun catching up in real life, Ceedia! :)

I, myself can't WAIT to meet several ex'es in real life!!! :coolwink: :happydance:
 

ChaoticPsychotic

Patron with Honors
Wow sounds like fun!

Correct me if I am wrong, are you all "down under"?

If you are, do any of you know Magnus Minnaar or Teal Grimshaw? They were both Aussie friends of mine.

Thanks!

Melanie
 

Carmel

Crusader
Wow sounds like fun!

Correct me if I am wrong, are you all "down under"?

If you are, do any of you know Magnus Minnaar or Teal Grimshaw? They were both Aussie friends of mine.

Thanks!

Melanie
Yes it WAS fun, and yes we are all down under. I'll pm you re Magnus and Teal - they are both great kids and are doing really well.
 

Carmel

Crusader
Very cool Ceedia!

Were these old scn friends?

And did you 'strailyans barbee outdoors or what?:)

That would be "strines." Panda taught me the true strine way. :) BTW, we're "mercans."

Yep, us 'strines' were all old scn friends since the early '80's (and no, no barbee that day).

Now like every other 'strine' just about, I'm off down the mountain for another bludge with me local yokel mates, cause it's - 'Melbourne Cup Day'! :happydance:
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
Wow Ceedia, I can just imagine the freedom to ..think freely, to talk freely,...

really added energy to a wonderful time.:happydance:

Have a wonderful "bludge" whatever that is!:thumbsup:
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
My experience inside the Church was very different than many people have said here. I understand that the pressures brought to bear would eventually push you into silence, I guess. That was one of the things that I saw as an "outpoint" (otherwise known as an issue): that people didn't talk about what they thought, and didn't seem to ask questions when something didn't seem right, etc. My experience was that people were very surprised that I held different opinions, and enjoyed talking to me, BECAUSE I would talk about stuff.

I remember walking home from a shift at the org with an older friend. He was ranting about "psychs" for some reason or another, and I asked him why he had such a problem with psychiatrists. He looked at me like I had several more heads than normally allotted to humans, and asked me if I knew about electro-shock therapy. I said, "yes, but what's the big deal?" and he was quite simply flabberghasted. He went on to tell me how ECT was destroying the body and didn't solve whatever problem the person had. I agreed, thinking it was pretty barbaric, and acknowledging that if the person was nuts, passing a few hundred amps through them probably wouldn't be good for them, but I didn't agree with him that psychiatrists were monsters. Instead, we went back to our apartment, and studied some communication drills, and did them in the apartment for a while.

This was characteristic of my experiences in the Church, as I refused to put down what I knew to be true and replace it with biases and group-think. I never got that far with auditing, and was subsequently declared. I never felt like my will was being compromised, except towards the end, when I was being "reged" for Sec Checks, knowing that I didn't want to pay for them, and that they were grinding away at me for crimes I had no interest in, and essentially, that had nothing to do with the reasons I wanted to leave the Church.

I can see how it could have gone differently, though, if I weren't so reluctant to give up my decision-making power.

I remember when I was on-staff thinking that working there was like preaching to the choir. I used to comment all the time that it would be better for people "like us" (who were "in the know", I confess to that bit of elitism) to be out "in the mix", working "wog jobs", and turning people on to handling charge, cycles of action, and other scientology concepts (or what I thought were scientology concepts). The other staffers seemed to think I had "very high confront", but that I should stay on staff, where I was needed. I thought being a field auditor was the way to go.

Now, back out in the "real world", I realize that not many people are actually interested in "handling charge" or "completing cycles of action".

It's funny, I'm a very high performer at my job, get the "employee of the month" awards and other perks, and promote quickly within my corporation. People are always asking me how I move so fast, how my statistics are so high (yes, we have performance measuring statistics, and it's not a WISE company). When I answer them, though, that I just follow up on whatever I'm asked to start until it's done, that I listen to my customers closely and solve whatever problems they are coming to me with, and that I'm constantly trying to learn more about the products I sell and support... they STILL don't want to hear it! They want some other answer, like I know somebody who does it all for me, or I have some secret way to cheat the system, or whatever.

I'm actually living out my own postulates, but I find it amazing how few people are actually willing to reach for the solutions they are asking for when they find them.
 

HappyGirl

Gold Meritorious Patron
Wow, UM. I appreciate your opening up this way and giving us a chance to know you better. And I can't even find anything to disagree with you about. :)
 

Carmel

Crusader
My experience inside the Church was very different than many people have said here. I understand that the pressures brought to bear would eventually push you into silence, I guess. That was one of the things that I saw as an "outpoint" (otherwise known as an issue): that people didn't talk about what they thought, and didn't seem to ask questions when something didn't seem right, etc. My experience was that people were very surprised that I held different opinions, and enjoyed talking to me, BECAUSE I would talk about stuff.

I remember walking home from a shift at the org with an older friend. He was ranting about "psychs" for some reason or another, and I asked him why he had such a problem with psychiatrists. He looked at me like I had several more heads than normally allotted to humans, and asked me if I knew about electro-shock therapy. I said, "yes, but what's the big deal?" and he was quite simply flabberghasted. He went on to tell me how ECT was destroying the body and didn't solve whatever problem the person had. I agreed, thinking it was pretty barbaric, and acknowledging that if the person was nuts, passing a few hundred amps through them probably wouldn't be good for them, but I didn't agree with him that psychiatrists were monsters. Instead, we went back to our apartment, and studied some communication drills, and did them in the apartment for a while.

This was characteristic of my experiences in the Church, as I refused to put down what I knew to be true and replace it with biases and group-think. I never got that far with auditing, and was subsequently declared. I never felt like my will was being compromised, except towards the end, when I was being "reged" for Sec Checks, knowing that I didn't want to pay for them, and that they were grinding away at me for crimes I had no interest in, and essentially, that had nothing to do with the reasons I wanted to leave the Church.

I can see how it could have gone differently, though, if I weren't so reluctant to give up my decision-making power.

I remember when I was on-staff thinking that working there was like preaching to the choir. I used to comment all the time that it would be better for people "like us" (who were "in the know", I confess to that bit of elitism) to be out "in the mix", working "wog jobs", and turning people on to handling charge, cycles of action, and other scientology concepts (or what I thought were scientology concepts). The other staffers seemed to think I had "very high confront", but that I should stay on staff, where I was needed. I thought being a field auditor was the way to go.

Now, back out in the "real world", I realize that not many people are actually interested in "handling charge" or "completing cycles of action".

It's funny, I'm a very high performer at my job, get the "employee of the month" awards and other perks, and promote quickly within my corporation. People are always asking me how I move so fast, how my statistics are so high (yes, we have performance measuring statistics, and it's not a WISE company). When I answer them, though, that I just follow up on whatever I'm asked to start until it's done, that I listen to my customers closely and solve whatever problems they are coming to me with, and that I'm constantly trying to learn more about the products I sell and support... they STILL don't want to hear it! They want some other answer, like I know somebody who does it all for me, or I have some secret way to cheat the system, or whatever.

I'm actually living out my own postulates, but I find it amazing how few people are actually willing to reach for the solutions they are asking for when they find them.
For the record Uniquemand, no-one pushed me into silence, or got me to comply with their 'think' - my entire history in scn is testament to that.

However, after time, and after a KR every other bloody day for opening my mouth; I learned that PR had it's place; that I could and would be more effective if I applied 'PR' somewhat (rather than p'ssed on it); and I learned that to win the war -it wasn't necessary (and even somewhat foolish), to try and win every battle!

After years and much struggle I learned that communicating to someone on their reality level (giving them truths that they could have), could and would do a far greater good, than simply blurtng out exactly what was on my mind.

I find in my life (even still today), I am always wearing some kind of hat with people. With scn'ists in the past, I was doing the same.

It was so good on Sunday, cause I didn't have to wear any damn hat - I could be myself TOTALLY -a very 1st dynamic thing, and a bloody wonderful thing, after being constantly attacked for YEARS for my thoughts and opinions while within the ranks of the CofS. The point I was making was - it was just so good to be with others of like mind (on a subject that is so near and dear to my heart), with no 'hat' to wear, and with no restrictions whatsoever (self imposed or otherwise)!
 

Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
So glad you guys and gals got together.

You've started an IRL ESMB! :p
 
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