Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Good point!
The L's
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Why should anyone ever go into even the slightest agreement with the crazy idea that one was somehow less than the most perfect fella that is was or ever will be? Surely such an gesture is the very innermost root core of all aberration.
uniquemand
Unbeliever
Unfortunately, Pierre Ethier has a huge financial stake in having everyone out in the independant scientology field believe that he is the one and only one properly trained L's auditor outside of the C of $ (where, according to Pierre's own web site, they have none left at all, either) and that he and only he can safely audit one on their L's.
Let us say this assertion were actually true. How is any indie scientologist actually supposed to determine for themselves whether it is a true fact, beyond his say-so?
Hubbard himself warns scientologists against people claiming to have a hidden data line to Hubbard tech nobody else knows. Pierre Ethier ought to know better than to pull this bullshit.
Additional Note: If Pierre truly believes he is the sole remaining properly trained Class XII on Earth, he also has the rather awesome responsibility of making sure that when he dies, he is not the last. So far as I am aware, he is not making other Class XII's.
Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
I am *not* anonymous
The wonderful news, Sneakster, is that we are, all of us, sources. We can all figure out what to do. We don't need Hubbard's data, and we don't need Pierre's data. We just need our own minds, the discipline to look for ourselves, and a willingness to help. The idea that we needed Hubbard, or any other source is fallacious. Hubbard himself didn't have any hidden data line to the truth.
Creation of Human Ability laid out some basics, and that's all you really need. Pay attention to the person in front of you. Ask them a question about what they are looking at. Listen to their answer, and acknowledge it. If they still have interest in what they are looking at, ask them another question about it, until such time as they come to a realization about it, show emotional improvement, and their attention exteriorizes from it. When they are fully interested in the present, let them work their own will. When they find they have encountered some block, take them back in session.
It isn't rocket science. It's effective communication, and learning how to create the "ITSA Line".
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TheSneakster
Guest
CoHA happens to be "Hubbard's Data".
CoHA only covers Route 1 and Route 2. Route 3 had to be developed because far too many beings do not appear to be able to handle Route 2 or Route 1.
Do you propose to simply leave those folks "alone in the dark", uniquemand ?
Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
I am *not* anonymous.
alex
Gold Meritorious Patron
Unfortunately, Pierre Ethier has a huge financial stake in having everyone out in the independant scientology field believe that he is the one and only one properly trained L's auditor outside of the C of $ (where, according to Pierre's own web site, they have none left at all, either) and that he and only he can safely audit one on their L's.
Let us say this assertion were actually true. How is any indie scientologist actually supposed to determine for themselves whether it is a true fact, beyond his say-so?
Hubbard himself warns scientologists against people claiming to have a hidden data line to Hubbard tech nobody else knows. Pierre Ethier ought to know better than to pull this bullshit.
Additional Note: If Pierre truly believes he is the sole remaining properly trained Class XII on Earth, he also has the rather awesome responsibility of making sure that when he dies, he is not the last. So far as I am aware, he is not making other Class XII's.
Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
I am *not* anonymous
Isnt Otto Roos out there somewhere? And of course Mayo, but I would guess he is no longer strictly scientologist in tech...but has been instrumental in ensuring some sort of tech is perpetuated...
Who else?
Div6
Crusader
Unfortunately, Pierre Ethier has a huge financial stake in having everyone out in the independant scientology field believe that he is the one and only one properly trained L's auditor outside of the C of $ (where, according to Pierre's own web site, they have none left at all, either) and that he and only he can safely audit one on their L's.
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Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
I am *not* anonymous
This assertion has no basis in fact, and is mere speculation.
As for the lack of results in from the Flag L's HGC, all you have to do is talk to some of the "completions" and make up your own mind.
uniquemand
Unbeliever
So, Div6, are you saying that cornering the market on delivering the Ls has no financial value? What, he's giving them away? Charging people enough for his dinner? Or is it JUST A BIT MORE THAN THAT?
Terril park
Sponsor
Unfortunately, Pierre Ethier has a huge financial stake in having everyone out in the independant scientology field believe that he is the one and only one properly trained L's auditor outside of the C of $ (where, according to Pierre's own web site, they have none left at all, either) and that he and only he can safely audit one on their L's.
Let us say this assertion were actually true. How is any indie scientologist actually supposed to determine for themselves whether it is a true fact, beyond his say-so?
Hubbard himself warns scientologists against people claiming to have a hidden data line to Hubbard tech nobody else knows. Pierre Ethier ought to know better than to pull this bullshit.
Additional Note: If Pierre truly believes he is the sole remaining properly trained Class XII on Earth, he also has the rather awesome responsibility of making sure that when he dies, he is not the last. So far as I am aware, he is not making other Class XII's.
Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
I am *not* anonymous
I was the first person Pierre contacted in the FZ.
He is not motivated by money.
He has trained at least two others so far on delivering Ls.
From various sources it seems that flag delivery of anything is suspect.
uniquemand
Unbeliever
So, he's delivering the Ls at rates that a secretary could afford at one intensive (25 hours) per year, calculated at about one month's pay? Say, about 100 bucks an hour? That would be on-policy, right?
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
HCOPL 24 September 1964 POLICY DISSEMINATION and PROGRAMMES
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TheSneakster
Guest
I never said one word about Pierre's motivations.
Nevertheless, the financial stake in his self-asserted position remains considerable and such financial interests have been known to color and distort the best intentions of well-meaning people - Ron Hubbard himself, for instance.
Has he also trained these persons to C/S as well as deliver L10-L12 or does he remain the sole C/Sing authority for L's delivery ?
How can we verify that, Terrill ?
Has he certified these persons as full Class XII's, equal to himself in auditor and C/Sing status, save for his greater experience ?
Well that, at least, doesn't seem to be in much doubt.
Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
I am *not* anonymous
Terril park
Sponsor
Seems you did per the above.
Pierre was making mucho bucks in his day job. He wanted to do tech instead and he is now.
Weird questions. Don't know answers. However one of these from private comm is doing great on an interneship as I understand it.