Is schizophrenia caused by a virus ?

[AnonOrange]

I went to a lecture about 4 years ago given by Daniel Dennet, which literally raised the short hairs at the back of my neck.

I was derailing another thread here (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=229525), when I realized this should be discussed separately.

REAL Viruses of the Mind:
http://onionesquereality.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/real-mind-virus/

Dan Dennett: Ants, terrorism, and the awesome power of memes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzGjEkp772s
This particular video is not exactly the one I'm looking for. He made a talk that had more examples from nature, including mice going crazy, jumping in front of cats, in order to be eaten by the cat. (The brain virus in the mouse can only reproduce in the intestinal tract of cats.)

This is pretty new science, but was originally suggested (and dismissed) about 100 years ago/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

Right now, serious mental health problems are only controlled (but not cured). I feel that it's because we use chemical means rather than biological means. If the cause is a virus, should we not use vaccines to cure schizophrenia ?

Crazy enough for you ? Don't be so sure !

 

[Dulloldfart]

From Hulda Clark:

Schizophrenia

Much more mold toxin was seen in schizophrenic families than in other kinds of illness. They usually had four or more kinds of mold toxins at the same time, meaning that one toxin was not detoxified before the next was already eaten. It may reflect on the liver as much as the food selected. The initial injury, though, to the liver may have occurred in early childhood.

Schizophrenia does not require mercury or other dental metal pollution for its expression. This pattern is logical when it is seen that young children can have schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is an ancient illness, being described in some very old literature, before dentistry existed. But parasites existed. And moldy food existed. And copper existed!

Ergot is always seen in sick persons. Other mycotoxins are also present, including sterigmatocystin, cytochalasin B, and aflatoxin. As the mycotoxin panorama changes, brain symptoms can change from compulsive hand washing to paranoia or from hearing voices to meanness in disposition.

It is my belief that the current increase in violent crime in U.S. society can be attributed to the especially high levels of mold consumption in foods and beverages, with the resultant effect that behavior erupts into violence with almost no provocation, merely some frustration. It would not be difficult or expensive to experiment with a mold-free diet in our prisons.

A bacterium, Mycobacterium phlei, may also be a cause because I have seen a high correlation between it and schizophrenia cases. What its specific effects are, I don't yet know. This bacterium may be hiding under teeth. It is also seen in dogs.

Shigella bacteria from nonsterile dairy foods are part of the problem, too. They produce brain and nerve toxins resulting in irritability, depression, anger. In fact, anger can be so intense, it erupts in violence.

Lead and copper are commonly seen in schizophrenia sufferers. The usual source for these is the household water (household plumbing may have lead solder joints). Change plumbing to PVC, then take thioctic acid (100 mg, twice a day). Parasites always found in schizophrenia are hookworms (4 Ancylostoma varieties) in the brain.

Instructions:
1. Stop eating all grain products, nut products and syrups immediately.
2. Sterilize all dairy products.
3. Search for lead and copper in the water.
4. Stop drinking commercial beverages, including bottled water.
5. Zap the parasites in the whole family for three days, followed by repetitions twice a week.
6. Eliminate Shigellas with the Bowel Program (page 546).
7. Give away pets. Schizophrenia is too serious to risk reinfection.
8. Do the dental cleanup (page 409).

The need to zap repeatedly arises from reinfection. Nothing needs to be killed twice. But reinfection from self, family members, pets and food happens every hour. One cannot rely on zapping to stay well. Do a thorough diagnostic search of all foods eaten at the last meal, the water drunk, the air breathed. Only when all these are clean, will the brain heal.

When can you eat grains again? When you are well. Find a cereal or pasta that has no mold. Test it for the mold frequencies (77, 88, 100, 126, 131, 177, 188, 232, 242, 277, 281, 288, 295KHz). Search especially for ergot (295). Remember, ergot makes lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), not a good thing for a schizophrenic brain. Honeys, too, have ergot. Ergot takes longer (up to 20 minutes) to detoxify with added vitamin C. (Read the section on Moldy Food, page 381). If you become ill again after starting grains, go off again. Take 500 mg. niacinamide 3 times a day to speed up ergot detoxification by the liver. Avoidance is much easier.

Healing of the brain is very rapid; in less than one week feelings and behavior are more normal. Perhaps there are herbs that hasten healing; considering how old the illness is, there must surely be several useful herbs. But considering that herbs, too, can be moldy, be very careful to search for molds electronically before using any herbs. Blue vervain, sage, and ginseng are herbs worth trying.

A question may have popped into your mind as well as mine. If the whole family is eating moldy food, why aren't they all schizophrenic? In fact, family members usually do suffer from some symptoms that are similar to the victim. But every person's collection of parasites and pollutants is unique. Certainly, the whole family should obey the moldy food rules, in order to function better.

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Paul

 

[DCAnon]

Could also be genetic. There's a strong coralation between family members of have it. :< Also could be hormonal, onset is usually during the late teens and early twenties with symptoms often waning as the person gets older.

 

[AnonOrange]

I would not rule out mold as a possible cause, but your article is the first time I see this. Also, the cure stated seems doubtful, otherwise it's use would be more popular.

As far as metals, there was also the theory that aluminum caused Alzheimer's, but that has apparently been discredited.

For lead and lead poisoning, I have a totally separate rant for that. Basically I think lead is not that poisonous, evidence by healthy people that work with it unprotected for decades. (Battery makers, plumbers, cable splicers, electronic technicians/circuit board makers, artists, fishermen, roofers, hunters, etc). They are reducing it's use in those industries, but I have yet to hear about obvious health correlation.

We freak out if there's the slightest percentage of lead in paint (a stable compound), which is not eaten, yet we let kids go fishing with pure lead lures all the time.

Back to bugs causing mental diseases. What do you guys think ?

 

[AnonOrange]

Could also be genetic. There's a strong coralation between family members of have it. :< Also could be hormonal, onset is usually during the late teens and early twenties with symptoms often waning as the person gets older.

Yes, there is a genetic component. Could it be that some families don't have the immunity to the Toxoplasma Gondii virus, making both theories correct ?

I'm just trying to be nice and live in harmony with DCAnon here.

 

[AnonOrange]

7. Give away pets. Schizophrenia is too serious to risk reinfection.

I've seen recommendations that pregnant women stay away from cat litter. That's where that virus hangs out, prior to it's next cycle.

 

[DCAnon]

It is absolutely a fact that viruses can influence mental disorders from things like Borna disease to viruses that physically damage the tissue of the brain. Whether or not Schitzophrenia is on that list, no one knows yet.

 

[DCAnon]

I'm just trying to be nice and live in harmony with DCAnon here.

:|

 

[Dulloldfart]

Back to bugs causing mental diseases. What do you guys think ?

I know personally there are mental effects caused by zapping. If I don't zap for too long (more than a couple of weeks), I do notice the difference often. Makes me feel lighter in mood, less ridgy in Scn terms.

Paul

 

[Zinjifar]

I've seen recommendations that pregnant women stay away from cat litter. That's where that virus hangs out, prior to it's next cycle.

Preggers are told to stay away from cat litter because of toxoplasmosis, which is a parasite, not a virus.

Zinj

 

[shadow]

There are organisms (parasites, viruses, prions, bacteria and fungus) that can affect the brain such as rabies, syphilis, mad cow, etc. On top of that many autoimmune disorders are an inappropriate or over-the-top reaction of the body's immune system to a virus. Over the last 20 years, more and more of the viruses have been identified and diagnistic tests developed, some of which may end up being associated with some sub-set of mental disorders.

What I find interesting is the great cross-over of many medications from mental disorders. For instance some of the ADHD meds are being used for cancer pain and fatigue, and antidepressants are used for ADHD, pain and smoking cessation. The brain is an interesting place :wink2: .

I would not look to Hulda for expertise in anything. However, the activities of those on the fringe challenging everything has the positive effect of pushing science more and more to better study a disease or issue with more experiments with better study designs, thus adding much greater understanding of an issue. For instance, ADHD has been studied far more (with a greater understanding than ever) than it would have been if there were no groups that claim it is a made up disorder by drug companies and Drs. Pushing on the dogma and getting greater understanding is not a bad effect in my mind.

 

[AnonOrange]

There are organisms (parasites, viruses, prions, bacteria and fungus) that can affect the brain such as rabies, syphilis, mad cow, etc. On top of that many autoimmune disorders are an inappropriate or over-the-top reaction of the body's immune system to a virus. Over the last 20 years, more and more of the viruses have been identified and diagnistic tests developed, some of which may end up being associated with some sub-set of mental disorders.

What I find interesting is the great cross-over of many medications from mental disorders. For instance some of the ADHD meds are being used for cancer pain and fatigue, and antidepressants are used for ADHD, pain and smoking cessation. The brain is an interesting place :wink2: .

I would not look to Hulda for expertise in anything. However, the activities of those on the fringe challenging everything has the positive effect of pushing science more and more to better study a disease or issue with more experiments with better study designs, thus adding much greater understanding of an issue. For instance, ADHD has been studied far more (with a greater understanding than ever) than it would have been if there were no groups that claim it is a made up disorder by drug companies and Drs. Pushing on the dogma and getting greater understanding is not a bad effect in my mind.

Good post ! Are you the same as "The Shadow" ?

Another thing I read was that they discovered that psych drugs killed off the toxoplasma ghonii, which I found interesting but not necessarily conclusive.

 

[HolyCow]

This thread is timely

Medical science/research field had been fairly restricted for some time (much like Scn) so I'm very glad to see expansion. I found a medical center that embraces all and has done wonders for me.

Just the amounts and # of new chemicals dumped around has had some new and strange effects. Hulda's work, for example, has opened up a whole can of worms (pun intended). Don't know about all of it, but did use some cleanses, and cleared out all chemicals in house. Had been bedridden for a year, took 4 weeks, and I was up again, and no pain (this wasn't a cancer problem). But take Note: Monsanta Chemical is/was the largest contributor of $$ to main cancer research groups. Her research has at least opened up other paths for other researchers.

Just gotta realize body, among other things, is also a chemical lab. Years ago AMA laughed about ulcers being caused by bacteria, or virus, and their treatment made it worse. Now proven true. Lot of proof ovarian/cervical cancer caused by bugs (std's), at least some. But you still need to see an "alternative" doc to find someone trained in testing and treating nutritional deficiencies.

The genetic projects have had a huge impact, and super computers as well as diagnostic tools have created some leaps and bounds in discoveries. Hasn't filtered down yet to your typical AMA "primary physician" who may spend 4 whole minutes with you, and usually prescribe something to cover up symptoms, rather than solve the darn problem.

But today, NY Times came out with a really scary article:

"Memories: Good, Bad and Erasable
BuzzPermalinkBy JIM DWYER
Published: April 8, 2009

Word came this week that scientists at a laboratory in Brooklyn have found a chemical that can erase memories in rats. One day, we nonrats might be able to edit what we remember by taking a drug. The mind hardly knows where to begin boggling at such a prospect. "

Funny, they nicknamed the chemical "Zip". So if anyone hears a sing-song chant of "Zippity DooDah" floating out of those gulag, er, RPF, camps ....
Don't call the authorities, call the Scientists!

Woooooah!

 

[shadow]

Good post ! Are you the same as "The Shadow" ?

Nope! That Shadow "knows", I only guess....

 

[AnonOrange]

I went to my favorite site about the medical claims of Hulda:

Seems like parasites are the cause for everything here. I don't buy that. Many parasites are necessary (in digestion for example).

Please much on that while. I got to go do other stuff.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

 

[DCAnon]

Seems like parasites are the cause for everything here. I don't buy that. Many parasites are necessary (in digestion for example).

You're thinking mutualism. Parasites are defined in ecology as organisms that harm their hosts without providing benefits. Or even commensalism where one organism benefits and the other isn't affected. The flora living in your gut aren't parasites because they don't cause harm, they actually work to the mutual benefit of themselves and the host.

 

[Zinjifar]

symbiosis

Zinj

 

[Dulloldfart]

I went to my favorite site about the medical claims of Hulda:

Seems like parasites are the cause for everything here. I don't buy that. Many parasites are necessary (in digestion for example).

Please much on that while. I got to go do other stuff.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

I would summarise her work with regard to causes as saying the main physical causes of chronic diseases are toxins and parasites, both factors.

As for lapsed-MD Barrett, well, if you accept his work as a valid argument nothing else is likely to change your mind.

Paul

 

[AnonOrange]

As for lapsed-MD Barrett, well, if you accept his work as a valid argument nothing else is likely to change your mind.
Paul

Barnett is around 75 years old. Someone suggested that he lost his medical license, but that's simply not true. I checked.

He's highly respected among scientists, skeptics. I've read his site for many yeras and never found anything wrong.

What do you mean by "lapsed" ?

 

[Dulloldfart]

Barnett is around 75 years old. Someone suggested that he lost his medical license, but that's simply not true. I checked.

Checked where? Is there an online link showing he holds a valid medical license?

Here's a link that doesn't say nice things about him, and yes I know Tim Bolen is a Hulda Clark advocate.
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/WisconsinWar/barrett.htm

Paul