When did the SO change their loyalties?
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Tim Skog
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I would say that the transformation really started shortly after LRH died and DM started taking over. It has been a process of evolution wherein the loyal-to-LRH SO have left, been gotten rid of or subjugated (e.g., put into SP Hall) and now DM is surrounded by his SO. It didn't happen overnight.
Iknowtoomuch
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I agree with this idea.
I had a conversation a while ago with an SO member and she said "All that matters is that the person gets the desired result.".....you mean even if it's not from LRH???
It's taken time and the newer SO members are blind.
Dulloldfart
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Probably around the time Hubbard stopped trying to do so, if he ever tried in the first place.
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I was a S.O. member for years. I don't think the S.O members EVER changed their loyalties. I believe that they were always loyal to an abstract concept that just happened to have a picture of Ron attached to it. Now it has a different picture (Miscavige) but the same abstract concept.
The photo on the wall is just a marketing tool to staff and public because folks like images. It helps them think, focus or remember. Hence kids collecting baseball cards, the proliferation of celebrity magazines, cameras, etc...
Oh yeah, the abstract concept, what is it? Leader=Freedom=Good=Happy.
When leaders are changed, people stick around. After a presidential election, half the voting population does not leave the country. They do not switch loyalties. They were always loyal to the abstract concept of The United States of America. ("What's that you say, we have a new president? Whatever..."
The photo on the wall is just a marketing tool to staff and public because folks like images. It helps them think, focus or remember. Hence kids collecting baseball cards, the proliferation of celebrity magazines, cameras, etc...
Oh yeah, the abstract concept, what is it? Leader=Freedom=Good=Happy.
When leaders are changed, people stick around. After a presidential election, half the voting population does not leave the country. They do not switch loyalties. They were always loyal to the abstract concept of The United States of America. ("What's that you say, we have a new president? Whatever..."
scooter
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Nice question - for me I saw it happen around the mid-90s.
That was when the events began to be enforced (using the Congress PL of all squirrel actions -
) and Command Intention began to be used more than Source when it came to SOspeak.
Lil Nap had "won" the IRS battle and he had kudos and was supposedly winning the world for Scientology per the event stats.
GAT was the clincher - from that point on, Lil Nap was the signature on every new issue and his event videos HAD to be watched three times over by all the staff.
His issues had to be word-cleared and were the references being used more than Hubbard's when it came to "what do we do now"s.
And it's all been downhill ever since
That was when the events began to be enforced (using the Congress PL of all squirrel actions -
) and Command Intention began to be used more than Source when it came to SOspeak.Lil Nap had "won" the IRS battle and he had kudos and was supposedly winning the world for Scientology per the event stats.
GAT was the clincher - from that point on, Lil Nap was the signature on every new issue and his event videos HAD to be watched three times over by all the staff.
His issues had to be word-cleared and were the references being used more than Hubbard's when it came to "what do we do now"s.
And it's all been downhill ever since
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I felt the change beginning in late 1981. In early 82 it seemed inevitable and there was a huge exodus.
RolandRB
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Nice question - for me I saw it happen around the mid-90s.
That was when the events began to be enforced (using the Congress PL of all squirrel actions -
Lil Nap had "won" the IRS battle and he had kudos and was supposedly winning the world for Scientology per the event stats.
GAT was the clincher - from that point on, Lil Nap was the signature on every new issue and his event videos HAD to be watched three times over by all the staff.
His issues had to be word-cleared and were the references being used more than Hubbard's when it came to "what do we do now"s.
And it's all been downhill ever since
Would it therefore be fair to say that the current Sea org members are Lil Nap supporters rather than LRH supporters?
Lynn Fountain Campbell
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In my opinion it's been a gradual process changing from Ronism to Dwarfism. A "patient gradualism" as, Robert Welch would say.
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Carmel
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From my experience, the majority of Sea Org members weren't supporters of LRH or DM, and most wouldn't know the difference betwen LRH policy and DM policy. They were just drilled into following orders without question, and it didn't matter what those orders were particularly, if they arrived on the telex line, then they'd get followed. Applying "Orders Query Of HCOPL was always a bit tough, but in the mid nineties it became near impossible.
scooter
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A couple of things that happened just before I left confirmed this.
I had a teenage call-iner tell me I had to go to an event because it was "command intention" that all scientologists see this event etc etc.. - I couldn't believe my ears
Other call-in terminals I had on the line over the last few months were pushing "CoB says ..." a lot more than "Ron says..." by about five to one (conservative estimate - maybe greater.)
It's only been the twenty-year plus veterans who quoted LRH at me - the rest would parrot off some patter and party line about how "we" are succeeding because of Int Management etc. etc..
The most sickening example is how CoB has "saved" the Tech yet again with his "discoveries" about the basic Books - so Hubbard never read his own books so didn't notice they were all wrong
Lil Nap IS the public face of the SO - he's the one who fills the screen at every event and he's the one with IAS Patrons in the mags etc. etc.
And no-one's ever queried where his post came from - there's no LRH advice talking about a CoB anywhere.
It's long ceased to be scientology in all but name - I'm sure Lil Nap would change that if he thought he could get away with it.
Maybe he could
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When the "Golden Age of Tech" (GAT)came out and all the trainees were being rounded up was when I saw the major insanties of the Church.
The Orders were such as "nobody goes home till a trainee is sent to flag" or a Chaplain or a blah, blah, blah etc.
Our phone at home would ring at 2.00am in the morning and it would be CLO calling us to get into the org and answer telexs, most of the time I would have to just pull the phone cord out of the wall cause I knew they would just call & call & call.
Any orders from COB regarding Golden Age of Tech would be sent down and if not complied with (usually cause the order was so insane) out would come a mission, usually consisting of a teenage Sea org member who had small d_ck syndrome or a mission that was so self important you not dare even sneeze incase of infecting them with your class v org out ethicsness.
It was then just down hill as soon as all that crap started from my point of view.
When the "Golden Age of Tech" (GAT)came out and all the trainees were being rounded up was when I saw the major insanties of the Church.
The Orders were such as "nobody goes home till a trainee is sent to flag" or a Chaplain or a blah, blah, blah etc.
Our phone at home would ring at 2.00am in the morning and it would be CLO calling us to get into the org and answer telexs, most of the time I would have to just pull the phone cord out of the wall cause I knew they would just call & call & call.
Any orders from COB regarding Golden Age of Tech would be sent down and if not complied with (usually cause the order was so insane) out would come a mission, usually consisting of a teenage Sea org member who had small d_ck syndrome or a mission that was so self important you not dare even sneeze incase of infecting them with your class v org out ethicsness.
It was then just down hill as soon as all that crap started from my point of view.
The SO was set up by LRH to unquestioningly follow orders (Command Intention). There never was a golden age of following LRH's ideal to clear the planet. It is even in question whether LRH actually ever wanted to do this.
He set "Clearing the Planet" up as the "goal" for SO members and CofSers, but it appears from LRH's behaviour from the late sixties that the actual goal was money, power and control. (LRH Admissions "Men are your slaves - Material things are yours for the asking")
His SO army were there to implement orders without question. They willingly subscribed to this because they believed they were following the stated goal of a Clear Planet. This following orders without question is clearly laid out in the basic SO training.
This has not changed since the SO was created. There are key points that one can identify as cusp points of change, but the changes are an illusion and only appear real if one subscribed to the false goal of "Clearing the Planet". They are really just points of upset for different individuals at different times when the individual lapsed from the real goal of following orders without question.
Key points include: implementation of Ethics and enforcement of ethics by early SO Missions, RTC "takeover" in the early 80's, Ron's death, GAT.
But the common goal through all these apparent changes is to follow orders without question under the disguise of Clearing the Planet. People have been purged from the SO and the CofS from the days of Ron onwards. It is not new. Once one is not willing to follow orders without question you have to be thrown out or you blow yourself off. Ron knew this and applied it ruthlessly. DM learned this well from his master.
Orwell's 1984 explains this clearly.