Telekinesis

[Zinjifar]

The moment the masses see and believe such an event, the real witch hunts will begin. The shout will go up "kill the thetans!"

I wouldn't want to be the one showing such skills. Look at what has happened to the people who have.

Being able to bend spoons, remote view, or move a peaseta are not the level of ability to hold off scared mobs, or power hungry governments.

Heh.

There's always 'subtlety' alex. Given the actual existence of such 'powerz' in the hands of Scientologists and the Scientology Organization, surely both the individuals and the Organization itself would be in 'better shape' that transceneds the 'Birthday Games' and the 'success stories' we've seen

Why is Scientology in such poor shape? How did it get that way? Because *that's* the actual reflection of the 'powerz' available to it. Money and thuggery; fear and extortion. Those are the Scientology tools. The only ones available to it.

Zinj

 

[DCAnon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN5Vf4F8H5g

 

[alex]

Heh.

There's always 'subtlety' alex. Given the actual existence of such 'powerz' in the hands of Scientologists and the Scientology Organization, surely both the individuals and the Organization itself would be in 'better shape' that transceneds the 'Birthday Games' and the 'success stories' we've seen

Why is Scientology in such poor shape? How did it get that way? Because *that's* the actual reflection of the 'powerz' available to it. Money and thuggery; fear and extortion. Those are the Scientology tools. The only ones available to it.

Zinj

I havent seen telekenisis turned on by the use of scientology. I have met individuals who became able to heal others, and people who gained the ability to "see" the mental processes and "pictures" of others, and able to influence the thoughts of others at a distance and with out the use of any material faculty.

These are the kinds of abilities that are consistent with the practice of scientology and auditing. And I would call them "OT" or supernatural.

The lack of apparent superhuman powers says more to the progress or regression of the church than of the technology. It was not designed to teach telekenisis any way. I am aware of no technique in the scientology literature to teach such. I believe though that it is a latent ability in all, and sometimes when a person has the burden of mental and psychic baggage removed, it can become manifest.

The "bridge" is not complete in my opinion, and of late in a bit of disrepair. The "church" seems more interested in material success than psychic.

 

[Zinjifar]

I havent seen telekenisis turned on by the use of scientology. I have met individuals who became able to heal others, and people who gained the ability to "see" the mental processes and "pictures" of others, and able to influence the thoughts of others at a distance and with out the use of any material faculty.

These are the kinds of abilities that are consistent with the practice of scientology and auditing. And I would call them "OT" or supernatural.

The lack of apparent superhuman powers says more to the progress or regression of the church than of the technology. It was not designed to teach telekenisis any way. I am aware of no technique in the scientology literature to teach such. I believe though that it is a latent ability in all, and sometimes when a person has the burden of mental and psychic baggage removed, it can become manifest.

The "bridge" is not complete in my opinion, and of late in a bit of disrepair. The "church" seems more interested in material success than psychic.

Whatever happened to 'knocking hats off at 50 paces'?

If Scientology can influence minds, why are the only ones they seem able to influence the ones in their *control*?

I don't disbelieve in so called 'supernatural powers'; I just see absolutely no evidence that the practice of Scientology enhances such or that Scientologists have any more access to them than the schlub on the street.

What I *will* grant you is that, within a social mileau, sheer arrogance and unscrupulous monomania bolstered by supreme (whether based or baseless) self-confidence can perform miracles; usually of the kind associated with sociopathic personalities.

That's what Scientology actually can 'accomplish'.

Zinj

 

[Wisened One]

Well, what about the passive OT skills that can be demonstrated, like not getting sick with things like cancer? Or controlling unhealthy behavioral traits, like overeating and other eating disorders? It's not such a huge or scary thing, but a good and subtle visible application of the correct tech and the LRH's specific list of abilities they're supposed to unlock.

Plus, I've read the OT "wins" where people claim to do such things as causing rainstorms in the desert or stopping fires raging on buildings. It's not like they're secrets if they're published and passed around for people to read. If it was meant to be secret or confidential to protect these people's powers from public fear, why are they published? And if they are published, why aren't they published with actual data? It's like they're trying to enforce their reality on other people without providing the data for people to evaluate the event themselves. Demonstrations of these massive OT powers are printed as factual wins, but without any way for people to see the data beyond rumors and stories. It doesn't make sense to me. Either there are real OT powers and they're not shy about publically publishing their abilites, which means they should be also publically publishing the evidence of them...or they're afraid to show that they have these OT powers but that doesn't explain why they brag about them in published magazines and why they don't demonstrate even the passive abilities, like a perfect memory or immunity from all disease. Can you clear that up for us a bit?

DCA!

 

[ULRC/S]

1/ I and another four experience karate student friends saw a 70/80 year old wizened up old Akido master throw a fit young 6 foot black belt through the air and into a wall like he had been hit by a bus - WITHOUT TOUCHING HIM!

Akido is the martial art that intentionally and knowingly uses theta beams etc to move/control the opponent, and they get their skills with thousands of hours across tens of years of hard work and PRACTICE!

2/ LRH talks at length on the later PDC tapes about how to develop mest moving skills - he says drill them on a gradient.

3/ I once went to a Lakers game in LA, I saw a player stop a fast thrown basketball with his fingertips, which didn't move back with the connection, and the ball STUCK there in space seeming attached to his fingertips untill he directed it somewhere else.

Go and watch some professional ball handlers, or martial artists, what the real masters can do is beyond normal physics.

And it's all down to PRACTICE, years and years of PRACTICE!

Regards, Allen

 

[Zinjifar]

But, what can *Scientology* do for you?

Zinj

 

[alex]

Whatever happened to 'knocking hats off at 50 paces'?

If Scientology can influence minds, why are the only ones they seem able to influence the ones in their *control*?

I don't disbelieve in so called 'supernatural powers'; I just see absolutely no evidence that the practice of Scientology enhances such or that Scientologists have any more access to them than the schlub on the street.

What I *will* grant you is that, within a social mileau, sheer arrogance and unscrupulous monomania bolstered by supreme (whether based or baseless) self-confidence can perform miracles; usually of the kind associated with sociopathic personalities.

That's what Scientology actually can 'accomplish'.

Zinj

The promise of scientology does seem larger than the result, and the church is no longer representative of the promise of the philosophy and technology.

It is my Belief that "scientology, the concepts" have value in a path to higher understanding of life.

My personal wish is that rather than promises, we scientologists would prove ourselves with results. Happier people, better functioning society, a brighter vision of the future. To some extent that has occurred. Individually, in small pockets. Not to the degree that the world has stood up and taken notice, but it would seem that the only way to get noticed IS hats at 50 yards. The issues of "The Church" have far outshadowed any examination of the results of the philosophy and tech.

Sad

Would you sign up it hats at 50 yards was the standard practice?

 

[Zinjifar]

The promise of scientology does seem larger than the result, and the church is no longer representative of the promise of the philosophy and technology.

It is my Belief that "scientology, the concepts" have value in a path to higher understanding of life.

My personal wish is that rather than promises, we scientologists would prove ourselves with results. Happier people, better functioning society, a brighter vision of the future. To some extent that has occurred. Individually, in small pockets. Not to the degree that the world has stood up and taken notice, but it would seem that the only way to get noticed IS hats at 50 yards. The issues of "The Church" have far outshadowed any examination of the results of the philosophy and tech.

Sad

Would you sign up it hats at 50 yards was the standard practice?

If hats at 50 yards was *demonstrated*, I'd be interested in looking at the practice; if only because it was interesting.

However, I fail to see the 'better functioning society' you believe in. The only Society Scientology controls is a horror worthy of damnation, dissolution and utter repudiation.

PS: this is not a *new* condition. Scientology's 'society' was *always* like this, although, predictably, it's gotten worse.


Zinj

 

[alex]

If hats at 50 yards was *demonstrated*, I'd be interested in looking at the practice; if only because it was interesting.

However, I fail to see the 'better functioning society' you believe in. The only Society Scientology controls is a horror worthy of damnation, dissolution and utter repudiation.

Zinj

We're going off topic here, but my experience of scientology has been different than most here. You dont see the folks who have benefited because of scientology on a board like this. But there are pockets of us spread out all around the world, not making big waves, but little contributions to how it all is.

We haven't changed the society at large in obvious ways, but I believe we have in subtle ways.

Your picture of scientology is that of the outsider seeing the worst of it. It is easy to lampoon and ridicule. And we scientologist are sometimes our own worst enemies. The church is proof of that.

But consider that there must be something to it to have so many people become so involved in the first place and devote so much of their lives to it.

Was the church a trap? Or a train wreck.

My naive belief is in the well intentioned tragedy.

 

[hartley]

There is James Randi offering a substantial reward to anyone who can demonstrate that they have a psychic power, and no one has taken it. If such powers exist, why not?

Conspiracy theory says that the Federal Government has, oh, set up Randi to attract such people who then vanish into some Federal Government Secret Base. Religious theory says that the Great Masters do not seek earthly rewards. People who claim to be psychics might say that Randi will set up tests they cannot pass, that he will 'cheat'.

So, it's a matter of belief.:confused2:

 

[Zinjifar]

We're going off topic here, but my experience of scientology has been different than most here. You dont see the folks who have benefited because of scientology on a board like this. But there are pockets of us spread out all around the world, not making big waves, but little contributions to how it all is.

We haven't changed the society at large in obvious ways, but I believe we have in subtle ways.

Your picture of scientology is that of the outsider seeing the worst of it. It is easy to lampoon and ridicule. And we scientologist are sometimes our own worst enemies. The church is proof of that.

But consider that there must be something to it to have so many people become so involved in the first place and devote so much of their lives to it.

Was the church a trap? Or a train wreck.

My naive belief is in the well intentioned tragedy.

Your own 'picture' of Scientology is skewed by your distance from it. From the worst of it, but, also from the day-to-day of it.

No, I will *not* grant you that 'so many people' being involved in scientology is 'evidence' that there is something good to it or that so many have 'devoted so much of their lives' to it is evidence of its value. Quite the contrary.

I know not only people who've escaped Scientology but people still *in*, who are merely 'in' because of the horror that is Scientology. Possibly yourself included, although, it's not unlikely that you see your own disaster as a 'win'

That's what Scientology is all about.

Zinj

 

[ed88008]

I am certain "telekinesis" is achievable. Note LRH said the Thetan (theta) is not part of the MEST universe except by consideration- - and is capable of creating, moving , etc. mest. I have done such a feat at times and therefore I have a reality on such an ability regained

 

[Tiger Lily]

I am certain "telekinesis" is achievable. Note LRH said the Thetan (theta) is not part of the MEST universe except by consideration- - and is capable of creating, moving , etc. mest. I have done such a feat at times and therefore I have a reality on such an ability regained

to ESMB ed88008

You sound like you've got a story there! We'd love to hear it. Until then, glad you're here!

TL

 

[well_that_sucked]

I am certain "telekinesis" is achievable. Note LRH said the Thetan (theta) is not part of the MEST universe except by consideration- - and is capable of creating, moving , etc. mest. I have done such a feat at times and therefore I have a reality on such an ability regained

lrh was a sociopath nutjob and your assertion that you can move things with your mind is nonsense, and a lie.

LOL feat? I'm sure you meant FEET

..as in go get my boots a cult tech believer opened the bullshit dispenser and its piling high fast. Hurry! I don't want to get any on my FEET

 

[Wisened One]

I am certain "telekinesis" is achievable. Note LRH said the Thetan (theta) is not part of the MEST universe except by consideration- - and is capable of creating, moving , etc. mest. I have done such a feat at times and therefore I have a reality on such an ability regained

Let's see it, Ed

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Great to have you ed88008...but...

I am certain "telekinesis" is achievable. Note LRH said the Thetan (theta) is not part of the MEST universe except by consideration- - and is capable of creating, moving , etc. mest. I have done such a feat at times and therefore I have a reality on such an ability regained

to ESMB ed88008

You sound like you've got a story there! We'd love to hear it. Until then, glad you're here!

TL

How are we gonna keep you separate from 8-8008?

Welcome!

EP

 

[Zinjifar]

One of my favorite 'Big Win' stories was about an OT couple who were driving from LA to San Diego. They noticed they were going to be late, so, the decided to 'roll back time' to give them the 20 minutes they thought they'd need. They did so, and were congratulating themselves on their 'ability' when it occurred to them that doing so was very irresponsible and might cause all kinds of havok with the continuum, so, being the responsible OTs they were, they set everything back to normal!!! Now, *that's* a 'two-fer'!!!

Thank you Ron!

Zinj

 

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

He was old OT VII. I thought he gained that ability from doing the OT Levels, but I spoke to someone about 4 years ago who knew him and she said that he already had that ability before Scientology. She also had done the old OT Levels and said that he had helped her to be able to heal at a distance also. She said that she also had healing abilities as a child, but that doing the OT Levels helped her to understand it better.

Yes, this makes total sense. Some people have special abilities, but unless you are special to start with they cannot be taught. Thank you for the extra data.

Martial Arts veterans have apparently developed special abilities (as also mentioned in a previous post) but it is not clear if they already had some leaning towards that ability.

 

[Veda]

Stanford Research Institute experimental psychologist Keith Harary, and Russell Targ, a physicist also from Stanford, wrote a book titled 'Mind Race' (as in 'space race'). It contains a section on the exploitation of psychic phenomena, or the promise of psychic phenomena, by cults.

Both were well aware of Scientology, and had worked with Ingo Swann, who did Scientology's "OT levels," and later (after leaving) described them as "disappointing." Swann claims to have been a natural psychic since childhood.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=49829&postcount=8

From the book, 'Mind Race':

"You won't find these groups listed under 'cults' in the Yellow pages. For income tax and public relations purposes, most refer to themselves as 'Churches'. But cults differ from traditional churches in several important ways...

"In our society, a person who is beginning to experience emerging psychic abilities, or who is interested in doing so, has almost nowhere to turn for guidance. Anyone with a purely scholarly interest in Psi research can write to various laboratories or read the research reports. But this information probably will not be of much practical personal use...

"This is the dilemma that leads many people to join cults in the first place. By accepting and exploiting psychic phenomena in a society that does not readily accept them, cults have effectively monopolized the subject of psi. They have exploited many people who are interested in learning about the area, and frightened many others away from ever considering the possibility...

"People are often drawn into cults that claim to offer explanations for psychic functioning, but at great personal, emotional, and financial expense to their followers. We think that giving away your mind is too high a price to pay for psychic development...

"For some people, the exposure to the possibility of developing their own psychic potential, which some cults appear to provide, may initially help certain individuals pay attention to areas of their own awareness that they might not otherwise consider exploring.

"But prolonged exposure to any cult's treatment of psychic abilities may seriously restrict the way its initiates view psychic functioning. And it may keep them from fully developing their actual psychic potential...

"Despite claims to the contrary by numerous factions, there is no evidence of an exclusive relationship between psychic functioning and any particular leader, doctrine , or way of life. Scientific evidence does strongly suggest that the ability to function psychically is a genuine human capacity which, for many people, seems to improve with practice."