Abusive practices witnesed while in Scn

[Dark Phoenix]

That is a really interesting and good question. I would have to say that in other venues of life, I've experienced that- like at work. But in Scn centers, when I was on staff, I mainly didn't deal with certain things that weren't right because I felt powerless, because I knew I couldn't do anything. I was often rather frightened.

You've hit the nail on the head Fluffy. Fear. It's the ultimate means of control. And I bet you were far from being the only one who would admit to the same.

Thanks for your input.

 

[NeXTep]

Empathy for abuses.

That does indeed explain it Nex, the perception is that it was somehow 'pulled in'.

This leads me to another question:

Let's say someone who's been in Scn for quite some time, and has the 'pulled it in' perception of what we would consider an injustice going on around him, surely for him to leave Scn, something abusive would have to be done to him personally, something he doesn't believe he pulled in. If there had never been an injustice done to him personally, would witnessing injustices around him be sufficient enough to make him decide to leave? They pulled it in, afterall.

Well DP, as far as I can see there is little empathy for abuses. Now there are physical abuses and mental abuses in the form of ethics conditions, RPF assignments, removals from post and other injustices. I for my part have not seen any physical abuse in the time I was on staff. At least if there were, I did not come to know about them. Now for mental abuses there would not be much empathy except if it happened to one of your family members, then you'd be interested to find out more and eventually take some action. But in general I would say that a staffer hardly ever took sides in favour of a "victim" nor would it be a reason to leave.

In any case for a person stably settled in the CofS it takes a certain amount of injustices, disagreements and abuses to start considering to quit.

 

[Dark Phoenix]

Well DP, as far as I can see there is little empathy for abuses. Now there are physical abuses and mental abuses in the form of ethics conditions, RPF assignments, removals from post and other injustices. I for my part have not seen any physical abuse in the time I was on staff. At least if there were, I did not come to know about them. Now for mental abuses there would not be much empathy except if it happened to one of your family members, then you'd be interested to find out more and eventually take some action. But in general I would say that a staffer hardly ever took sides in favour of a "victim" nor would it be a reason to leave.

In any case for a person stably settled in the CofS it takes a certain amount of injustices, disagreements and abuses to start considering to quit.

Right, so as I was saying, the abuse has to affect someone personally, be it something done to themselves, or as you pointed out, done to someone they care about, in order to feel the need to take any action.

And while it does make sense that someone actually leaving is precipitated by a whole series of injustices and disagreements, over varying lengths of time, at least some of these must have affected the person personally. In fact the proverbial 'last straw' is usually of a personal nature.

Good summation Nex.

 

[quovadis03]

abusive practices

I witnessed horribly abusive things, I was attacked by Kevin Posten and later thrown into the lake by him he literally pushed me in so that I would clumsily fall as when he had thrown me in before I was able to dive in and come out smiling although I felt horribly humiliated and just pathetic. The second time he shoved me hard so I fell into the lake. This was at midnight mid february. I then had to go to the OGH sopping wet... I was already restricted to the base and under watch - one begins to feel like a caged animal.

 

[NeXTep]

Welcome aboard QuoVadis

Welcome aboard QuoVadis.

That is definitely a terrible abuse to take. The good part of it is that it probably was the reason you finally were able to get out of the trap.

Would be nice to hear more of your story.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Welcome Quo Vadis!

I witnessed horribly abusive things, I was attacked by Kevin Posten and later thrown into the lake by him he literally pushed me in so that I would clumsily fall as when he had thrown me in before I was able to dive in and come out smiling although I felt horribly humiliated and just pathetic. The second time he shoved me hard so I fell into the lake. This was at midnight mid february. I then had to go to the OGH sopping wet... I was already restricted to the base and under watch - one begins to feel like a caged animal.

Hi Quo Vadis, glad you joined us here on ESMB. I hope you're freed from Int base now, and feeling safer. You don't have to say where you are, but just let us know if you are o.k. and in a better place now. We care about your safety and well-being.

There are a lot of good people here to talk with who will understand what you have been through, and help is available if you want it. You can call the Ex Sea-Org phone line if you are just out, or just want to talk with somebody, to get some ideas on practical help, or if you need a place to stay or need assistance getting on your feet. That number is: 1-866-9732674. Ex-Sea Org Helpline is a great website for helpful resources, too. Check it out, if you haven't already. It doesn't matter if you haven't left the church yet QV, you are still welcome here. We have lots of friends still in.

There is no good purpose for anyone to ever feel like a caged animal, in a religious or good cause, or for any other reason. Any system that creates that is not a good, productive, healthy system.

I'm glad you had the courage to post on ESMB. This is a good place to read and talk with others who can help you to heal and restore your life. When you feel comfortable doing it, tell us more of your personal story, we're good listeners. You said that Kevin attacked you, can you share more about that? We like to hear people's personal stories of their experiences (good and bad) with the church here.

If you're not totally out yet, please take good care of yourself, be safe, and keep reading here, it will help you. Remember that you are a good person who has worth and value to the world, and deserves good treatment.

I hope that you are warm and well-fed and comforted tonight. Know that you are not alone, and that we care about you. Let us hear from you some more, o.k.? Personal Message me if you need help.

Best Wishes, SweetnessandLight

 

[flagtrained]

I was in CTO and during the time I was there I witnessed:

1) CMO Invest Gerome smack/slap a member of the Sea Organization closed fist for failing to appear fast enough for an interrogatory

2) Kirstie Clements (wife of Bridge Pubs Jason Clements) throw a bucket of ice water on an "unproductive" member of the crew while she slept

3) I myself was personally choked up against a wall by Dir I&R CLO-EUS Andrew Heald

 

[White Rabbit]

I never dissociated, but then again, I left after less than a year of being on staff at the CLO EUS. I grew up with abusive parents, so I had already learned coping skills for that kind of stuff.

I think this is a good question to ask people. Is there any chance you're studying psychology? I've been wondering how many Scientologist staff end up with PTSD and other anxiety disorders.