How do you stop thinking of Scientology tech as a solution?

[Type4_PTS]

I am also in a job that I find unrewarding.

I know for myself that when I've had a job that I found unrewarding it has a huge negative impact on me. There is an incredible job-hunting and career-changing book called "What Color is Your Parachute?" which I highly recommend. It has some great tools that help you focus in on the correct job/career for YOU, on what will make you happy. I included a link below for the 2009 edition as it has some customer reviews in case you like to read those, but should you decide to read the book there is a 2010 edition available as well.

http://www.amazon.com/What-Color-Yo...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255295864&sr=8-1

 

[GreyWolf]

Great topic. Sometimes when something happens to me, I still catch myself wondering how I pulled it in. Aint that a hoot? Seriously, rely on your instinct and it will get better. It may take some time, but it will get better.

 

[degraded being]

Read books.

Someone made the point very strongly about the solution being GO TO FLAG.
That was a good point. Look at the OTs who go round and round on the merry go round trying to "handle" things that would have been "handled" on lower levels if cult tech was effective. Flag (the mecca of technical perfection) is a big money sucking scammer, not a solution.

Don't bother with books which are realistic and don't offer pie-in-the-sky solutions or simplistic rubbish based on not understanding things thoroughly.

 

[Dark Phoenix]

Sure. Let's start with depression, "suicidal ideation", difficulty concentrating. Now don't get all worried, I have been dealing with the first two for most of my life and have no plans to embarrass myself or my family.

Those are, IMO, symptoms. I also have plenty in my life that is positive. But I wrestle with those the way one might wrestle with obesity or alcoholism.

I don't know how you have been handling your depression but I'm wondering if you're receiving any sort of treatment for it, and if so, if it's the right treatment for you.

I've suffered with depression myself on and off and it was only through a lot of trial and error that I finally found the treatment that worked for me. But once that happened life became so much easier. A huge change for me was to stop the compulsive ruminating on particular thoughts and events from the past. This is a fairly common result of depression. It used to really immobilize me. I'd unknot my thoughts just enough to come up with a solution to a problem, but my thinking would get stuck in one of these patterns, and I'd become uncertain and end up not doing anything.

You may of course have the depression under control, but I know from experience that if left untreated properly, it can seriously impair your thinking and your ability to resolve and move forward from negative experiences.

 

[bluewiggirl]

Sure. Let's start with depression, "suicidal ideation", difficulty concentrating. Now don't get all worried, I have been dealing with the first two for most of my life and have no plans to embarrass myself or my family.

Those are, IMO, symptoms. I also have plenty in my life that is positive. But I wrestle with those the way one might wrestle with obesity or alcoholism.

If you are willing to let go of the "psychiatry is BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!" mindset, it may be worthwhile talking to a therapist about what you can do for depression. Depending on where your preferences lie, you can find doctors who can prescribe medication, connect you with support groups, deliver "normal" counseling, or provide any number of newer therapies. I've fought with depression too, what works for me seems to be cognitive therapy in combination with fish oil supplements if things are getting particularly intense. I have been on medication for depression in the past and it helped get me under control long enough for the therapy to really begin to take an effect, but I'm not the sort of person who could be comfortable taking psych meds for my whole life.

Some other options available to you: art therapy, light therapy, exercise, changes in diet, news fasting, creating a more regimented schedule for yourself, reducing external sources of stress, meditation, prayer, taking up a hobby, following some self-help guru, volunteering for charity and making new friends. If you found Scientology to be particularly effective for you (but you don't wanna become another squirrel) you may even want to consider taking a course in self-hypnosis.

I guess the real question here is what it was in organized Scientology that you miss. If you can identify it, you can start to look for it elsewhere.

 

[Carmel]

Disinfected....

If you want to get Scn out of your head, I'd say read threads here - Seeing things for what they are is a good way to get things "unstuck". On this board there is so much info and so many diverse points of view - it's all food for thought and if one uses it as such, then there is much to be gained.

Whatever your situation, an objective point of view is usually a good one. Looking at your scene and writing your thoughts on it can be therapeutic, then posting it and receiving 'feedback' or responses can help ya see things from a different perspective, and can really help things 'shift'.

Ya can post anything and everything here, and from my experience, when ya post things of a very personal nature, that ya might expect an adverse reaction to, ya don't get one.....all ya get is support, and sometimes very good advice that ya wouldn't otherwise think of or info that can and does certainly make a difference.

I wouldn't bury any of it, or wish it to go away, but I think you've also got to give yourself a break. Like, get out there in life and put your attention on other things and other people as well.

Take a win on everything and anything, and don't kid yourself that ya could or should be able to deal with anything in one foul swoop. It's little steps that become giant leaps over time, and even then, it's not like life is always roses for any of us even though some of us may make it seem like it is.

You're here now. The more you read and the more you post about this stuff, the better off you'll be. And, for "exes", this board opens up all sorts of doors that ya couldn't or wouldn't imagine.

All the best with it all.

Carmel

 

[apple]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I

have a problem.[QUOTE]

 
If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help.   ][/QUOTE] 
For me a few years ago I had a problem that was causing me almost a nervous-breakdown condition. I thought I would go to the local CoS and get some direction and consoling.  Mind you I have not been a member for a few years. What happened was the E.D.  made me feel worse. Could that have been the process? To feel worse then when coming in. It worked, I did feel worse, then I left. I then went to a REAL church. There I found true consoling. I then gradually corrected the problem. When surrounded by good people things do get resolved.

 

[Lohan2008]

Seek out a hobby

You will have to find interest not connected to your "life" in the Church....
go for a walk in the park, go to the art gallery, buy yourself a meal costing more than $20, take up a hobby.

It is important to fill up the "hole" that you feel, there is a WHOLE world out there to experience.

 

[lambear]

Dear Disinfected,
A good start really is to get your body feeling good--plenty of fresh air, good diet, exercise. Then, actually go out and talk to lots of people because it reminds you of the good and bad out there and that we all have bits and pieces of each;it might give you a better perspective.
As far as scientology, try to eliminate all the scio jargon. What I discovered was that as soon as I trained myself to use regular words instead of my habitual Scio. lingo, I was more able to let go of the subject altogether.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I am grateful for any advice as to handling or improving my condition. My problem is that I thought I had found my "system" and I still find much truth and applicability in LRH's writings. Yes, he did say a lot and there may be some internal contradictions but I have studied a LOT of Scientology and find it pretty consistent.

My problem is do I want to get Scientology out of my head? Why? How?

Please keep the advice and communication coming, it IS helping.

Well, since you've studied a lot of scientology, it seems likely you've had experience using it too. So the simple answer is continue to use the stuff that you find makes sense to YOU and which works for YOU. By all means read other authors and look at other viewpoints. Try & test new things.

Don't believe in a piece of tech simply because "it's scientology" or because "Ron is source". Don't believe in anything based on the claims of any external authority. Just make your own decisions based on your own understanding & experiences and whatever happens you'll ultimately find you are content with the choices you made based on the reasons you had.

Additionally, if applicable, get over any "need to be right" that may persist. It's "okay to be wrong", too.


Mark A. Baker

 

[namaste]

Please keep the advice and communication coming, it IS helping.

Yes. All good advice.

Indeed what you resist persists. Lionheart is right on the money as usual.

I would just like to add one thing at this time and maybe more later if I think it can be of help. Something I have learned and realized recently as I too am on a journey to better my own conditions. I don't offer this as something that will solve your problems all of a sudden; just something that may, hopefully, put you a little bit more at ease as you make the changes.
You see, what you seek is also seeking you. It is not so much to seek what you want, but to allow it to find you.

[I have to give credit here to Dr. Steven Hairfield and his recent work, The 12 Principles of Karma.]

You can be assured that the conditions that you desire for yourself are available to you and are well within your reach (in fact you already have it) and it has been that way since long before Scientology came along.
If it were not so, then you wouldn't even have the desire for it.

 

[Lohan2008]

Great Post

 

[Operating DB]

After 13 years, I still do nerve assists.

What is a nerve assist? When is it done and how is it done? When I was in scn (1975-1984) I only knew of contact and touch assists. When did this nerve assist thing come into being?

 

[Operating DB]

18) Return to Step 1.

You forgot the all-important loop.

(17.5) Retread the whole bridge starting with the Comm Course.

 

[Type4_PTS]

What is a nerve assist? When is it done and how is it done? When I was in scn (1975-1984) I only knew of contact and touch assists. When did this nerve assist thing come into being?

Here is a link for the procedure on a nerve assist. http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH6_5.HTM
I've done about 15 of them and have gotten very good results with them. I doubt it is something that Hubbard developed himself. Probably he "borrowed" it from someone else and never acknowledged the real source.
Anybody out there who knows the true source of this?

 

[olska]

Regarding depression and suicide:

A quick Google search of "suicide support groups" turned up this site with links to suicide support groups in every state of the USA, so it's likely you could find one near you if you are interested, find out when they meet, etc.

On the website www.Suicide.org there are many choices including one on "Depression and Suicide," and another choice offering online support.

I do know this about "grassroots" support groups: they are generally composed of people from a wide variety of lifestyles and socio-economic circumtances who have in common some "issues" and experiences. While some members have been involved longer and thus have some wisdom acquired from that involvement, usually no one is the "authority" over others -- it's generally people helping each other as best they can by sharing stories, experience, strength, hope, references, and resources.

After scientology, for about a year I participated regularly and often in a support group that dealt with an issue very personal to me. It was a life-changing experience, helped me find my way to healing and health, cost no more than what I paid for a couple of books and the few dollars I contributed over many meetings for the rent of the room and coffee.

No one hit me up for money I didn't have or pressured me to buy books, courses, or expensive counseling sessions. I received much love and support from caring strangers, and was soon able to give the same to others.

There is of course no obligation to simply go and explore this site and see if there is anything on there that might be useful to you.

Again, good luck to you!

http://www.suicide.org/suicide-support-groups.html

 

[at3ist]

You're already doing that, you're thinking outside the Church and thats really all you need.

You also NEED to replace Scientology for something, Going cold turkey is not a good thing to do. (It will only backfire) And thats what you're really asking i guess.

Being a Scientologist You'll probably find difficult to go for professional help, like a psychologist or something like that. But Its OK, you don't really need to.

So try this (feel free to delete the links if this is not allowed)

http://www.sedona.com (Good stuff)

http://www.stresscenter.com/mwc/the-program (Excellent for the state that you're in)

Those program are both great

Sedona Method being a tool for releasing unwanted emotion, and the second one a step by step for feeling good about yourself, From Specific Dietary changes that will help you more than Being an actual OT, Exersices that will make you feel like god must feel when he is on a good day (A little bit of hype, but thrust me this program is good). And If you search good on the net you can find them for free :wink2: .

Hey I really hope you use some REAL tools to help yourself. And stop doing what you're actually doing since apparently is not working, and theres testimonies that say it will not work in the future. So use those tools.

And read some Guerrilla Ontology, It will make you good for letting go old belief systems.

 

[fishdaddy]

My 2 cents:

Stop thinking you "need a solution."

Scientology indoctrinates you into the mindset that there is ALWAYS something wrong with you needing solving. You are taught to introvert - "it's my case," "it's my reactive mind," "it's my past lives," "it's my BTs and Clusters," and so on, on and on. Always something you need to handle. Always something wrong with you. How else can you sell auditing?

So you get depressed? So what? Everybody does occasionally. Even Scientologists. Even OTs. Even Hubbard. Don't obsess about it. Don't worry about it. Don't introvert. It will pass. Relax. Do something you enjoy.

 

[Smilla]

Look around outside scientology for solutions. As you find some good advice and/or techniques that replace scientology, your dependence on scientology will gradually (or perhaps very quickly) lessen.

The "self-help" section in your local bookstore (or a search on internet bookstore) is a good place to start. Used bookstores are a wonderful inexpensive resource. Pick something that "indicates" to you and begin -- it won't cost much and you won't get unwanted mail or calls! Some self-help books are just "cheerleading" type advice, but some have useful worksheets.

If the problem in your life is greater than you can deal with alone with self-help materials as a resource, then seek counseling from people who specialize in your particular problem -- such as, financial counseling for financial problems, marriage counseling for relationship problems, "life coach" for general problems, etc.

Or, if you don't mind making your problem "public," ask for help right here in this on-line support group! Probably many of us have experienced something similar to what you're going through, and you might be pleasantly surprised how helpful people here can be.

Good luck to you!

You said all that I would have said, so thank you for saying it. Smilla.

 

[Free to shine]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Disinfected

I think Lionheart hits the nail on the head when he says: "Let's take "depression" as an example. The scientology "solution" is to fix it, handle it, process it, to remove it. This is a "scientology can fix that" attitude to "depression".

We can emerge from scientology with a feeling of failure for not having attained those wonderful and lofty goals of 'eternal freedom and happiness'. The thing is that life is full of ups and downs, this is actually how we learn and grow, it's not necessarily a bad thing! Some of the most gifted teachers and healers have faced intense challenges in life, including depression, and it is the very experience of going through it that also can bring wisdom.

The way I stopped thinking of scientology as a solution was to monitor my reaction to a situation, and then note what jargon automatically popped in, and then translate that jargon into English. The process of doing that is amazing as you really being to look at the situation you are trying to explain to yourself. The jargon is a short circuit so to speak, it does not allow for critical thinking. For example - "I feel sick - I must be PTS - I need ethics handling etc" Looking at the jargon you realise that no-one else was involved, you were stressed from working too hard and can resolve to look after yourself better.

It's hard to believe that there are other forms of help and guidance than scientology, the truth is that it is all out here. We just need to find the one that is appropriate for us individually and that can take a bit of work...well worth it!