Friendsoflrh.org is back up

[TalleyWhacker]

www.friendsoflrh.org is finally back up and has a new section describing the "take down" of the site by DM's legal mullahs.
So, looks like another lawsuit is pending with Cof$. Hard to believe, huh?
:confused2:
This site is probably the most effective and accurate website for handling people who are still in but know things aren't adding up. It accomplishes this without being an affront to their sensibilites.
If they are in that position, or even slightly so, it virtually runs the Doubt formula on them after which they will be open to learning more.

Use it--it works like magic.

Enjoy!

 

[Blue Spirit]

Black and White

www.friendsoflrh.org is finally back up and has a new section describing the "take down" of the site by DM's legal mullahs.
So, looks like another lawsuit is pending with Cof$. Hard to believe, huh?
:confused2:
This site is probably the most effective and accurate website for handling people who are still in but know things aren't adding up. It accomplishes this without being an affront to their sensibilites.
If they are in that position, or even slightly so, it virtually runs the Doubt formula on them after which they will be open to learning more.
Use it--it works like magic.
Enjoy!

You make good points, but the concept that LRH was all white and perfect is a bit cloyingly sycophantic in my opinion.

Whoever wrote the site is definitively an LRH worshipper and is therefore somewhat blind, probably to justify being just

like him, as I see it.

 

[Smeso]

Still effective

For those still in the church, a friendly site is the most effective to wake them up.

Once that they're out, they can be made to open their eyes even more. It has to be done on a gradient scale.

So don't disregard it just because it doesn't fit your point of view - it isn't aimed at critics, it is aimed at those who are still in, and they won't read anything that is flagrantly opposing LRH.

 

[Veda]

http://www.friendsoflrh.org

"The technology he gave us has saved millions of lives, yet he has been attacked, his organizations infiltrated and his writings altered.

"That which some have come to hate is not L. Ron Hubbard or his technology, but those who have taken it over and changed it."

There probably is a need for a site something like this, but this site starts from a firm foundation of delusion, paranoia, and denial.

http://www.friendsoflrh.org/COBvsLRH

Is that the proper "awareness level" for friends of LRH? Maybe...

 

[Dulloldfart]

http://www.friendsoflrh.org/COBvsLRH

Is that the proper "awareness level" for friends of LRH? Maybe...

Milgram's famous experiment on obedience to authority figures had three conclusions. The second was that "Conflicting authority severely paralyzes actions — When two experimenters of equal status, both seated at the command desk, gave incompatible orders, no shocks were delivered past the point of their disagreement."

As I wrote in 2005, "There is no flesh-and-blood person in the CofS of comparable magnitude to DM, to issue conflicting orders with the result of sense prevailing and DM's obviously-harmful orders not being carried out. But there is a candidate, namely LRH, present to a greater or lesser extent in the form of his ideas in the minds of Scientologists . . . [so] paralyze irresponsible obedience to DM's insane orders — and don't address any sane ones — by repeatedly setting up a conflict of authority, i.e., 'DM says do bleep-bleep, but in HCO PL or HCOB blah-blah LRH says do blip-blip.' Repeat this over and over, using any good examples, always in the form of DM says one thing but LRH says something very different."

So what this website is doing with the comparisons is an excellent way of reducing DM's power, based on sound experimental results.



Paul

 

[Chess]

I reckon this site is exactly what is needed for those still in or on the fence. Open resentment in a general way won't work and they expect that - never give an enemy what he expects and is ready for. Scn Mgn & lawyers etc are battle hardened, well paided and love to fight.
It is one thing to oppose Scientology for whatever reason, good or bad but not to realise that a battle must be waged to remove the abuses and crap from that organisation is simply folly. They require a good mutiny and it must come internally from the organisation to be effective. The Friends of LRH site is a good weapon that uses the very tools the Cof$ professes to adhere to.
Succesful conflicts have to waged with a strategy if they are to work - Ist things Ist - one battle is to sow the seeds of dissent and fan that fire - when they are weakened - close in with more specific targets such as personal and send the bad ones to jail.
War isn't pleasent but it can be fought with better sense than to muddy everything.

 

[thetanic]

I think it's brilliant for the target market (which we are not). I'm particularly happy to see the concept of the Ideal Org project so skewered by references far more damning than the ones I remember.

 

[Smilla]

I agree that it has value for the fence sitters, etc, but I find the wide eyed adoration a bit nauseating.

 

[HCObringOrder?]

For those still in the church, a friendly site is the most effective to wake them up.

Once that they're out, they can be made to open their eyes even more. It has to be done on a gradient scale.

So don't disregard it just because it doesn't fit your point of view - it isn't aimed at critics, it is aimed at those who are still in, and they won't read anything that is flagrantly opposing LRH.

Welcome Smeso.
What in the world would your user name mean? :confused2:

 

[Dulloldfart]

Welcome Smeso.
What in the world would your user name mean? :confused2:

How about "It's me! So?"

Paul

 

[Kookaburra]

Oh, yay! This is a very useful site. It's safe to view for any Scientologist....well, sort of...tee hee...

The missing link. I'm very happy it is back.

 

[archetypes]

For those still in the church, a friendly site is the most effective to wake them up.

Once that they're out, they can be made to open their eyes even more. It has to be done on a gradient scale.

So don't disregard it just because it doesn't fit your point of view - it isn't aimed at critics, it is aimed at those who are still in, and they won't read anything that is flagrantly opposing LRH.

That's for sure. I went from forced worship of Ron Hubbard ("Hip-Hip-Hooray!) to refusing to get in comm with him anymore. After a few R3X chains wherein Hubbard happened to be in many of my incidents I took a more balanced, analytical perspective of him rather than a fixed position.

Besides that I realize now that all beings, all of us, large and small are sitting in troublesome incidents. Also I learned from running chains to basic-basic that the only real flow is Flow 0, all other flows are apparencies.

 

[Blue Spirit]

Inside View

http://www.friendsoflrh.org

"The technology he gave us has saved millions of lives, yet he has been attacked, his organizations infiltrated and his writings altered.

"That which some have come to hate is not L. Ron Hubbard or his technology, but those who have taken it over and changed it."

There probably is a need for a site something like this, but this site starts from a firm foundation of delusion, paranoia, and denial.

http://www.friendsoflrh.org/COBvsLRH

Is that the proper "awareness level" for friends of LRH? Maybe...

I happen to know the guy who wrote it and he has ALL of the Hubbard

personalities (valences), the GOOD, the bad and the ugly. He uses LRH to

justify the BAD. He ought to look at how Hubbard ended up but can't.

He's not reachable according to my view.


I'll start a thread soon on the WHY of 95% of Scientologists cases are in a FAILED CONDITION.

 

[Dulloldfart]

I happen to know the guy who wrote it and he has ALL of the Hubbard

personalities (valences), the GOOD, the bad and the ugly. He uses LRH to

justify the BAD. He ought to look at how Hubbard ended up but can't.

He's not reachable according to my view and others of significant import.

Hey — don't knock it! It's an excellent niche site, the niche of churchies on their way out, who revere LRH but not the CofS so much. If he progresses to the point of deciding Hubbard is less the bee's knees and more the bee's nether regions, he might decide to nuke the site and then it wouldn't be there anymore.

Paul

 

[archetypes]

I happen to know the guy who wrote it and he has ALL of the Hubbard

personalities (valences), the GOOD, the bad and the ugly. He uses LRH to

justify the BAD. He ought to look at how Hubbard ended up but can't.

He's not reachable according to my view and others of significant import.

I'll start a thread soon on the WHY of 95% of Scientologists cases are in a

FAILED CONDITION.

How Hubbard ended up (if it wasn't already a clone or mind-controlled Hubbard) is not how the Being who was being Hubbard ended up. The being is alive and well and further auditing his case and very much on purpose to help improve conditions on this planet.

What does "others of significant import" specifically refer to? That sounds like one of those generalities that people sometimes throw out to bolster their opinion. I don't mind it if you are specific but suppressive generalities can be used to unfairly black PR someone. Besides I prefer to go to the source and get to know the person myself and not have my affinity (or lack thereof) be alloyed by some third party statements. I would do the same for you if anyone black PR'd you in the same fashion you just did.

 

[Blue Spirit]

A View

Hey — don't knock it! It's an excellent niche site, the niche of churchies on their way out, who revere LRH but not the CofS so much. If he progresses to the point of deciding Hubbard is less the bee's knees and more the bee's nether regions, he might decide to nuke the site and then it wouldn't be there anymore.
Paul

The site does have value for fence sitters, that is true.

He is in very fixed condition, and won't be changing.

Reasons for that may appear.

 

[Blue Spirit]

An Intelligent Post

How Hubbard ended up (if it wasn't already a clone or mind-controlled Hubbard) is not how the Being who was being Hubbard ended up. The being is alive and well and further auditing his case and very much on purpose to help improve conditions on this planet.

What does "others of significant import" specifically refer to? That sounds like one of those generalities that people sometimes throw out to bolster their opinion. I don't mind it if you are specific but suppressive generalities can be used to unfairly black PR someone. Besides I prefer to go to the source and get to know the person myself and not have my affinity (or lack thereof) be alloyed by some third party statements. I would do the same for you if anyone black PR'd you in the same fashion you just did.

I modified my post slightly due to your point.

Due to recent experience, I would tend to agree with your first paragraph.

I would be very interested in specific tech being used on the LRH case,

as he left about every level unflat or blocked with Ethics problems.

I do know he is a very big being.


An LRH valence case, of which I imagine there are many, would be unstable

and unpredictable, and you never know whether you will get Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde.

I do believe there is a difference between Black PR and Truth (time, place, form & event).

I've had wrong items in abundance, lies, and Black PR, and reverse auditing from that source.

Watch for the movie at a theater near you.

 

[archetypes]

So what comes across to me is that basically you are against the ones who insist he is all good or something like that and the way you fight them is by continuing to point out that he is really all bad? Was that too simplistic?

The fixed polarity that is being healed on this board is the Jekyl/Hyde polarity, and might be more ancient than Hubbard, but Hubbard was the latest full-scale demo.

As I have mentioned before I've already seen on my wholetrack where I mocked up Hubbard and I mocked him up on the "Con Artist" side of my own fixed polarity issue. He was one of my group of 12 (lots of groups of 12 on the wholetrack -- all the way back to pre-mest and further).

When I unfixed that polarity I was no longer forcing myself to project that image onto him. I could look at him with more objectivity, and I could even start appreciating him for some good things that were happening in my R3X sessions.

Also I no longer feel a knee-jerk reaction to those who say he was the devil incarnate or to those who say he was a saint incarnate. He is no longer fixed in my universe as a saint or a sinner.

The last time I had contact with him he had already merged with the Maitreya being so I guess he at least is not stuck in his past.

So perhaps this is more important for us here than Hubbard and I hope everyone will heal whatever Hubbard represents for them in their own case.

Flow 0 is the only true flow and all other flows are apparencies and I don't need Hubbard to tell me that because I've cleared enough incidents back to basic basic to KNOW that is true.

Life is about collapsing dualities that cause us discomfort, etc. We gravitate to the dualities that we wish to be discomforted by. Maybe that means we are reaching for clearing/healing. May we all clear ourselves of Hubbard. I did.

archetypes

I modified my post slightly due to your point.

Due to recent experience, I would tend to agree with your first paragraph.

I would be very interested in specific tech being used on the LRH case, as he

left about every level unflat or blocked with Ethics problems.

I do know he is a very big being.


An LRH valence case, of which I imagine there are many, would be unstable

and unpredictable, and you never know whether you will get Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde.

I do believe there is a difference between Black PR and Truth. I've had wrong

items in abundance, lies, and Black PR, and reverse auditing from that source.

Watch for the movie at a theater near you.

 

[Veda]

IMO, your mixing of truth (already known and recognized by many) and hallucination (your own self tickling fantasies, or the fantasies of some group) will not, IMO, result in psychological stability for you, or happiness for others that share that mix of truth and fancy.

People are trying to work through their experiences with Scientology, and this sort of thing is not helpful.

 

[archetypes]

IMO, your mixing of truth (already known and recognized by many) and hallucination (your own self tickling fantasies, or the fantasies of some group) will not, IMO, result in psychological stability for you, or happiness for others that share that mix of truth and fancy.

People are trying to work through their experiences with Scientology, and this sort of thing is not helpful.

I had to look around behind myself to see who you were talking to: You must have been looking in your mirror when you said that...

You are only qualified to speak for yourself, everyone is their own Source. Everyone can keep their own counsel, and unless you can tell me specifically how "this sort of thing" (a controller suppressive generality) is "not helpful" (same) then I would have to ask you to tell me exactly who elected you the Mama here?

I am too working through my experience with Scientology.

Oh and your other suppressive statement did not go unnoticed either, sic:

"Already known and recognized by many". Plus you made an irrational personal attack: "Your own self tickling fantasies, [ad nauseum]..."

Then you made a psychological prediction that I would become psychologically unstable.

You know, it's getting late here on the East Coast, I'm going to get my 8 hours sleep so I can be prepped for my morning auditing session.

I can just already predict what you are going to say about that based on how predictable your communication is becoming in my eyes. Now I could have said "in everyone's eyes", but I don't deal in suppressive controlling generalities. If you wish to exert power over me or on me or shut me up, using suppressive generalities and invalidations (they don't even get my TA up!) is not going to accomplish that. I am unclear what you consider your role to be on this board -- what is your purpose or role here? That last time I asked you a similar question and you com-lagged. If someone asked me the same question I would answer straightforwardly without resentment or defensiveness or offensiveness.

It's funny that I find myself able to love you without attachments or expectations or desires, or immediate exchange, and I am getting closer to the state of neither needing to be liked nor admired by a following so I have no need to gather group support to bolster my specific statements to you.

Your implication that you have a big group backing you up -- is that supposed to overwhelm me and silence me?

Your psych evaluation that seems to imply some wisdom or knowledge -- is that supposed to push a button or impress me? Who are you trying to impress?

Well this is enough Q and A for tonight. Have a good rest and I am sure I'll be reading all about you tomorrow

love,
colleen