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Iknowtoomuch

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I can't say where I got the data but it is trustworthy.

They are posting SO members in Ideal orgs now. I didn't find out the ratio or if they were still taking normal staff (I'm sure they are).

Sorry this is so short but thought it would answer why these Ideal orgs look like they have staff...lol
 
Wisened One

Wisened One

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I think they've always done this especially in the Grand Openings of new orgs.

But it's a mix of SO plus Org staff grabbed from other Orgs to man posts until they can recruit people to fill them. (ie: DC Org has staff there from Miami manning some of the posts or helping in some capacity, anyways)

That's nothing new or strange, been done forever that way. :confused2:
 
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Iknowtoomuch

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Wisened One said:
I think they've always done this especially in the Grand Openings of new orgs.

But it's a mix of SO plus Org staff grabbed from other Orgs to man posts until they can recruit people to fill them. (ie: DC Org has staff there from Miami manning some of the posts or helping in some capacity, anyways)

That's nothing new or strange, been done forever that way. :confused2:
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I've never seen that.
But the point here is they aren't getting new staff much, they are using SO members to fill the missing posts.
 
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Thalkirst

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Iknowtoomuch said:
I've never seen that.
But the point here is they aren't getting new staff much, they are using SO members to fill the missing posts.
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The same method is used in Europe. For example, all OTL Iberia SO members were posted in the Madrid Ideal Org when it was opened.
 
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dchoiceisalwaysrs

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Are all SO members now required also to claim perpetual poverty for their low cult wages? Is this just another maneuver to sidestep the labor laws and or is this just a result of the fastest shrinking cult in the world?

Oh the mutiny continues.:thumbsup:
 
ScudMuffin

ScudMuffin

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Iknowtoomuch said:
I can't say where I got the data but it is trustworthy.

They are posting SO members in Ideal orgs now. I didn't find out the ratio or if they were still taking normal staff (I'm sure they are).

Sorry this is so short but thought it would answer why these Ideal orgs look like they have staff...lol
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Brum IO seems to be staffed by the same people who staff the main Org. Wouldn't suprise me if they called a bunch of SO in though, but considering they only open on weekends I'd of reckoned they use the usual staff.

We'll have to do some obs down there, see what's changed over Christmas.
 
Gloria Manchenburg

Gloria Manchenburg

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A new organization starts off new, Sea Org members typically comprise the executive positions and whatever else is necessary to function until replacements can be found. Hold the form of the Org as they say :)
 
Dulloldfart

Dulloldfart

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Gloria Manchenburg said:
A new organization starts off new, Sea Org members typically comprise the executive positions and whatever else is necessary to function until replacements can be found. Hold the form of the Org as they say :)
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Huh? It used to be that groups became big groups became missions became big missions became forming orgs became regular orgs with at least ten staff.

What happens now? I didn't think there have been many new orgs for years. I don't mean the org in city XYZ is now the "Ideal" org at a different address in XYZ city. Are you talking about how they staff up the Ideal Org when moving the existing org's location?

Paul
 
Gloria Manchenburg

Gloria Manchenburg

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Dulloldfart said:
Huh? It used to be that groups became big groups became missions became big missions became forming orgs became regular orgs with at least ten staff.

What happens now? I didn't think there have been many new orgs for years. I don't mean the org in city XYZ is now the "Ideal" org at a different address in XYZ city. Are you talking about how they staff up the Ideal Org when moving the existing org's location?

Paul
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I am talking in the hypothetical and how it works as of today. If a new Org were to open - it would be staffed entirely or almost entirely by S/O members until training/admin was gotten in and they had a full organizing board without S/O crew. When the Dallas Ideal Org opened (or went Ideal?) the registrar ended up being Phillipe Dube, a Sea Org member from East-US. I also know for a fact that either Las Vegas or CC Nash or something like that - when it opened, more than 1/3 of the staff were S/O members from East-US and West-US.
 
Dulloldfart

Dulloldfart

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Gloria Manchenburg said:
I am talking in the hypothetical and how it works as of today. If a new Org were to open - it would be staffed entirely or almost entirely by S/O members until training/admin was gotten in and they had a full organizing board without S/O crew. When the Dallas Ideal Org opened (or went Ideal?) the registrar ended up being Phillipe Dube, a Sea Org member from East-US. I also know for a fact that either Las Vegas or CC Nash or something like that - when it opened, more than 1/3 of the staff were S/O members from East-US and West-US.
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OK, thanks. It's not such a bad idea, in reality. It means those guys in Management find out what it's like to work in a service org. Well, they don't really as they don't have any public on lines to deliver auditing and training to, but at least they find out what it's like to be on the receiving end of floods of INSANE orders from on high, and have public who don't answer the phone and don't want to buy things.

Paul
 
Gloria Manchenburg

Gloria Manchenburg

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Paul,

Here's a good example from Nashville CC.

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The girl in the front right is Carinne. Recruited from Delphi Oregon. She actually got majorly busted once for driving up to the Int Base to see it.

Far left shoulder length red hair is Jaime. She was in HCO CC Int Her brother is that kid in the Why TRs film, little punk!

Tall guy about 3 over in back with beard is Robin Handy. He use to be the Staff C/S of CC Int until he was busted to a course supervisor.

There's also Miranda Scoggins in there who was the staff MAA in CCInt.
 
Kookaburra

Kookaburra

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Well, at least if the SO members are in a Class V org, there is a possibility that they are doing something useful. If they were in the Flag Bureau or Int, they'd just be doing useless admin and bossing each other around.

Not that I'm disillusioned with Scn management or anything, you understand. :eyeroll:
 
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Miss Penguin

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The thing with putting S.O. members in these "Ideal Orgs" as they "put in the lines" is that the org is presented to the world and the Scn community as an Ideal Org, which it is in fact not. It's a renovated building. Why not at least say "the building is renovated and we are working on becoming an Ideal Org"? I heard Buffalo org (the second Ideal Org) is down to 30 staff. Also heard D.C. has mostly S.O. members there.

These "Ideal Orgs" did not grow or expand in reality, they are merely mock-ups, giving the appearance of growth and success, and not doing a very good job at that.
 
freethinker

freethinker

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Miss Penguin said:
The thing with putting S.O. members in these "Ideal Orgs" as they "put in the lines" is that the org is presented to the world and the Scn community as an Ideal Org, which it is in fact not. It's a renovated building. Why not at least say "the building is renovated and we are working on becoming an Ideal Org"? I heard Buffalo org (the second Ideal Org) is down to 30 staff. Also heard D.C. has mostly S.O. members there.

These "Ideal Orgs" did not grow or expand in reality, they are merely mock-ups, giving the appearance of growth and success, and not doing a very good job at that.
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You're thinking too much with policy and being logical.
That's not how things are done now. Policy is a hindrence to what DM wants to get done. In another thread I heard it said they are coming out with new OEC's. It had to happen. There are too many policies that are being broken. They have to be rewritten to comply with command intention. GET THE MONEY!
 
Takin Time

Takin Time

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It's part of the "show" and part of the "control".

After the locals have spent millions on their new local Ideal Org, upper management needs to put on a show that they've done it. By staffing with Sea Org members and not newcomer-local-staffers, you can actually pretend you have an org by having it run by some people that know a little of the ropes. So then you recruit like hell and show the local-newcomers how wonderful and successful Scientology is; and you get them to join staff, try to train them and make them work. As the org gets manned-up with local-newcomers (and some oldtimers) you gradually re-assign your Sea Org members back to an established org, or move them on to the next soon-to-be-opened Ideal Org and continue the process.

The object is to get these orgs staffed with people who don't know any better - cheap labor, so to speak. There will always be some Sea Org members left behind to keep everyone in line and working. Every org that didn't have staff tightly controlled by David Miscavige et al gradually failed until it fell apart or closed.

You see, the admin tech doesn't work. It's the unwritten orders and push from uplines, coupled with the low wages, that makes any semblance of a money-making machine. Just having staff working towards a "theta world" and getting people trained and audited while using LRH Management Tech does not make a viable business.

You need the control mechanisms in place to keep the place productive.
 
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Gottabrain

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Dullold, yes, back in the 70's & 80's it was missions became orgs.

Must be a lot of desperation there to show expansion by opening orgs and transfering staff around.
 
Gloria Manchenburg

Gloria Manchenburg

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GreyWolf said:
But it's ok for Int to pad the stats. They only comm ev the little guy.

Bob
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Int isn't padding the stats per-say. The evidence is all around you. You just need to investigate it. If you were an Ideal Org staff member and you're told there's unbridled expansion - look around you it's not :)
 
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