What are L-Rundowns?
- Thread starter Ron Paul
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I think 'L' stands for list or lists. They're L-10, L-11, L-12
As 'upper level actions' go, they seem popular, with churchies and ex-churchies alike.
Zinj
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
It costs well over 100k USD to do them all. When the person does them, they have to prepay for extra intensives for after they're done with the rundown and need repair or something. So failure is already presupposed, which is rather odd, CofS wise, except we really know that the actual reason is getting money/stats in.
The Ls can only be done at Flag by an advanced auditor, they cannot be done at any other Advanced org (like AOLA or St Hill or Oz).
The Ls can be done at any part of the bridge even though they are advanced, C/Sing permitting.
The Ls can only be done at Flag by an advanced auditor, they cannot be done at any other Advanced org (like AOLA or St Hill or Oz).
The Ls can be done at any part of the bridge even though they are advanced, C/Sing permitting.
paul.spiritualquest
Patron with Honors
Wins from the Ls
I would like to hear here, about people doing the Ls, their wins, etc...
Specifically:
1. Change before and after.
2. Change, no change years after.
3. Did you achieve the stated EP in Admin dic?
4. If not, did you come close?
5. What did they change/not in your universe.
Please be detailed in your answers, when you did them, what you thought when attesting on them, etc... Also state wether done on the FZ, or at Flag, and when.
This would be kind of an interesting survey on them.
I would like to hear here, about people doing the Ls, their wins, etc...
Specifically:
1. Change before and after.
2. Change, no change years after.
3. Did you achieve the stated EP in Admin dic?
4. If not, did you come close?
5. What did they change/not in your universe.
Please be detailed in your answers, when you did them, what you thought when attesting on them, etc... Also state wether done on the FZ, or at Flag, and when.
This would be kind of an interesting survey on them.
Ron Paul
Patron
What does EP stand for and FZ? Me no speakah Scientologees.
EP is 'end phenomenon' and FZ is 'Free Zone', but there are some Scientologeze glossaries around you should really look this sheet up in.
for example:
http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_a.htm
Zinj
Terril park
Sponsor
More like $10,000 in total in the FZ. With any needed repairs. Some successes are in the " Freezone Success Stories" thread.
Ron Paul
Patron
I thought Freezone was free. Hence the "free". lol Looks like everyone is out for cash in this religion. I think I'll go back to Zen Buddhism.
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Do you personally have any professional skills that you spent thousands of hours, and dollars, acquiring? Which you then give away for free to anyone, while doing unskilled labour to pay the rent and feed your family?
Paul
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Soooo....Ron, you don't believe in paying therapists for their time? Psychotherapists, massage therapists, meditation teachers, ROLF-ers, past life regressionists- they should just donate their time and labor and overhead for nothing?
Free Zoners are not getting rich. AT ALL. You need to do some research.
Free Zoners are not getting rich. AT ALL. You need to do some research.
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Religions and churches, cults and other groups aren't the same things. Some Freezoners view Scn as their religion, some don't. It's mainly a bunch of independent practitioners, some of whom have loose knit (mostly cyber) alliances, some of whom do not.
paul.spiritualquest
Patron with Honors
So what about the Ls?
I want to get some real meat in THIS thread.
Results, wins, no-wins, conclusions, no-conclusions, changes, no-changes.
End Phenomena as far as I remember:
"One lifetime being inmortal."
"Exterior with full perception", (means out of body with full perception out of the body, means visio, audio, etc...)
I translated for our non-ex-in-Scio friends in this board...
I want to get some real meat in THIS thread.
Results, wins, no-wins, conclusions, no-conclusions, changes, no-changes.
End Phenomena as far as I remember:
"One lifetime being inmortal."
"Exterior with full perception", (means out of body with full perception out of the body, means visio, audio, etc...)
I translated for our non-ex-in-Scio friends in this board...
paul.spiritualquest
Patron with Honors
Missed something
"Stably exterior with full perception" / means OBE out of body experience AT WILL, stably, not just one time
"Stably exterior with full perception" / means OBE out of body experience AT WILL, stably, not just one time
I did L-11 and L-12. On L11, I did not perceive any gains other than I felt really loopy between sessions. I don't know what it was that had been stopping me, but the auditor assured me that I had attained it. On L12, I think that I did disconnect lines that tied me to past suppressors but I did not achieve stable exterior as promised. I even went back because I still felt physically PTS by having ankle sprains and colds but was told all was well according to the session results and F/Ns. My only real win in doing all of this is that I had tried to get pregnant for 5 years and then right after my L's I got pregnant. Coincidence? Probably.
paul.spiritualquest
Patron with Honors
paul.spiritualquest
Patron with Honors
Loopy in which sense? What do you think had been stopping you? And what was released if so? On L12, did you notice in session to whom you disconnected? Or was it your idea? Was it a concrete feeling, or just a conclusion after?
Gadfly
Crusader
I remember back in the late 1970s, early 1980s, when the local Org started the whole "Sunday service" thing. I was a snr exec at the time, responsible for putting in the program to get the Sunday service up and running in Div 6.
I remember talking to a friend/Scio about it, and coming right out and saying, "this is so stupid, I guess somebody needs to make us appear more like a CHURCH, huh?" He quietly agreed, but with that "eyes darting left and right", wondering if anyone can hear sort of look. I remember telling another SO executive, "cripes I had no interest in attending any Church before Scn, and I sure don't feel like doing it now". A close GO friend (snr GO exec) said, "it is only for IMAGE; we need it for the stability of our religious status".
Last I remember, the local org would simply shut down the Academy and basic Div 6 courses for one hour, route everybody into one room, and hold a "Sunday service". Appearances, appearances, appearances!
And remember the dumbass minister garb? Geez! I also remember when all Sea Org staff HAD to do the "minister's course". I suppose technically I AM a certified "minister" now, since I did complete the course.
For me I never thought of it as a "Church", but that the entire slant on a "religion" was done for "survival purposes" (tax benefits, etc). I generally resisted and had little affinity for all the "added-inapplicable" components of official Scientology. BARF!!!!
Just give me the auditing, and otherwise FUCK OFF!
Really, I never knew ANYONE who truly considered it their "religion". Sure, there were lots of people who "played along", because INT management and the GO was heavy onto enforcing it, but really, how many truly considered it his or her "religion". I pretty much always looked at is as somewhat of a "spiritual" practice and more of a mental practice.